It really is this in a nutshell.
Ontario does enact the pit bull BSL and dangerous dog law hand-in-hand and it has and will continue to make a difference. A mistake that took years to create will not be remedied overnight. Yes, there are still problems with other dog breeds but the pit bull problem which was bigger than all other breed problems, is showing definite improvement. I believe we will see the same thing happen in Quebec once their pit bull BSL takes full effect.
So despite the long list of organizations, most of them unbiased and scientific based, who are against BSLs, CT, vacation and Sswor in particular are going to cling to their hatred, bias and extreme rhetoric in their support of BSL legislation.
Here is the list and why (research based BTW) BSLs don’t work.
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/…e-BDL-2014.pdf Yes it is AFF, very pro PB, but the list is not made up, the organizations are national/international organizations with clear statements against BSLs.
As for addressing the unwanted pet population (not just PB/types) I support spay neuter laws. Ones that are enforced. I support free spay and neuter for the bullies. I support strong laws that target breeders, especially puppy mills and BYB. I know of one labradoodle breeder that has 17 litters a year, at $2700 a puppy. That is wrong. I support low cost spay neuter for pets, I support education of owners like FTTF does.
I support dangerous dog laws that target irresponsible owners. With criminal and civil actions against such owners.
I am against BSLs because of the scientific studies that show why they do not work.
I have walked the walk in my actions when it comes to dangerous dogs. I had a PB type euthanized because he was human aggressive.
I could stand up and cheer this post. Excellent post. Kudos to you.
I realize you are getting frustrated but to stoop to such attacking, ridiculous comments really indicates that you concede the debate.
BSL needs to be enacted in conjunction with dangerous dog laws or I agree–they will be ineffective.
Ok you can not legislate and prevent 100% of the incidences.
You can legislate… but how come that isn’t working? How come we see dogs off leash, loose, traveling in packs, killing people, kids and pets?
That was my point. I imagine you knew that.
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THAT is quite a leap!
Hyperbole helps no one, and no dog.
Hyperbole to some I suspect, not all though.
Dogs travelling in packs, killing, etc. Now that’s hyperbole. Dogs off leash in appropriate surroundings occurs where I live without incident.
Some people, however, don’t like dogs, never have and never will. I’ll hold my opinion of them.
AF your point and logic escapes me, I will admit. On one hand you say BSLs need to be enacted (umm BSL=Breed Specific Legislation i.e. laws) on the other hand you say you cannot legislate i.e. make laws, that you cannot legislate how people manage their pets. So why would BSLs work when leash laws, dangerous dog laws, spay neuter laws etc you say don’t work, won’t change how people manage their pets?
As for why there are loose pets, not sure where you are getting all these “packs of dogs” from, killing and maiming etc. Pretty sure that the existing laws like leash laws or dangerous dog laws were not being enforced.
Ga’s dangerous dog law: https://georgia.gov/blog/2012-07-20/dealing-dangerous-dogs
Concede the debate? You give opinions, so do others. Judging from your postings you are anti-dog. That’s my opinion. Some like dogs, others don’t.
“I am against BSLs because of the scientific studies that show why they do not work.”
That’s an empty statement too. You need to be careful about understanding the objections to various examples of BSL, and be very clear on the details of what was enacted and why.
A lot of the quoted “studies” aren’t real research at all, and they claim ‘failure’ when the people involved might mostly claim ‘success.’ If you interview a Pitbull enthusiast, no, there’s going to be no measure that they consider successful.
BSL belongs at the community level. It needs to be specific and well considered. But the voices of breed enthusiasts can’t completely dominate. They are a minority. If your community doesn’t have a dangerous dog problem, then you don’t have a case for more rigorous legislation. If your community
has people dying from dog attacks…you probably do. If the attacks are frequently occurring under similar circumstances, you target your laws accordingly… And ignore the very loud Pitbull apologist group who largely don’t even live in the community.
rugbygirl, I am looking at CDC, AVMA, RSPCA not pit bull advocates but unbiased, scientific organizations that have determined based on evidence that BSLs are not appropriate for controlling dog bites/fatalities.
Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC)
"A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years (Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998). It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs.These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten.These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites.There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific policies exist and hold promise for preventing dog bites. For prevention ideas and model policies for control of dangerous dogs, please see the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Task Force on Canine Aggression and Human-Canine Interactions:A Community Aproach to Dog Bite Prevention
Well then, put me on ignore… because clearly you are making a choice to be obtuse and rude to boot.
If this is how you advocate for people to be anti-BSL, I can see why it’s a losing battle for ya’ll.
Calling people who don’t agree with you dog haters. Nice.
several loose dogs circling the area.
two more children, badly bitten, lying on the ground, a 5-year-old girl, Syari Sanders, and a boy, 6-year-old Logan Braatz.
Nearby the boy’s limp body hovered his shocked mother.
“I picked up the child’s body because the mother couldn’t do nothing but sit there and just cry,” Clayton told the AJC, “… that hurt me.”
He carried the boy to an ambulance, Clayton told the AJC, but his injuries were too severe. Logan died Tuesday, police said, and the Associated Press reported that Syari was hospitalized with critical injuries.
a chronic problem of stray dogs has kept senior citizens and children from venturing outside.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/…=.f8109e48de35
NOT HYPERBOLE
I love dogs. Enough to dislike dogs that cause problems and moreso their advocates who make excuses for them.
You failed to address a single of my extremely well expressed and supported points. Rather, you chose to simply attack me and my character on a personal level. Ergo, you have nothing left to offer but insults and that is an automatic concede of the debate. Have a better day.
So basically based on your criteria it’s cruel for me to keep my high drive ACD because I live in a small house with a 1/8th acre fenced yard? Of course, he goes everywhere with me every day, but he’s on a leash so he can’t “move freely.”
He participates in dock diving, agility and rally obedience, but I guess I’ve been torturing him for the last two years since I haven’t turned him loose to herd things as he wishes.
Im just guessing of course, since he can’t talk, but I’m betting he’d prefer that to being the ACD down the road that got shot in the foot and head for getting into the neighbors pasture. They shot him in the shoulder with a pellet gun the first time, his owners never even knew since he was allowed the “free movement” that you think is the ideal. Too bad he didn’t learn, at a year old he came in with a 9mm in his skull and his foot blown to pieces. But HEY! He got free movement!!
I read several newspapers on- line each day, there have been dogs in every neighbourhood where I’ve lived without incidents as reported in the Washington Post. Interesting isn’t it while some see only dogs causing harm and others see the advantages offered by dog ownership. I know what I experience with them, know some cause irreparable harm and can’t understand the abhorrent behaviour let alone obsess over it nor deliberately search it out. Some are obsessed as we witness here. I do believe some dogs will defend themselves when subject to abuse just like some people will.
Dogs don’t frighten me, off leash dogs don’t frighten me obsessive humans do because they can’t be reasoned with. I expect I will never be bothered nor experience violence by any dog.
What the ___ does that have to do with the case I found a news report for you about that clearly shows that everything you called hyperbole as in fact, FACT?
Yikes… the lengths you will all go to in order to ignore what someone just answered your post with, choosing instead to ignore it and change the subject is… FAR…
Lol, reason with animals. I’m sorry but that’s not accurate. You cannot reason with animals. That’s why people get paid to train animals professionally. That’s why people take classes to help them train their animals. Animals are not influenced by reason. Behavioral conditioning, yes. Reason is reserved for dealing with other human beings.
We have digressed far off the topic now.
Maybe I didn’t answer the way you expected. In that case it happened and it’s too bad it did. Don’t think I’m nor sympathetic to the victims.
Some seem to fear dogs at every turn and seek incidents to support their outlook. Try instead to seek incidents proving how dogs prove their worth in service to mankind.
We see that every day. I’m a life long atheist but–the only time I have doubts about that belief is when I am in the company of my dog. Any of my dogs over the years.
Part of the reason my heart absolutely breaks when I hear/read these stories of people’s beloved dogs getting slaughtered by pit bulls. Again and again and again and again and again. I would defend my dog instinctively against any threat, even put myself in harms way. Foolish perhaps but it matters not. He is my heart. People feel the same about their children, their loved ones of all ages. I have said all of this before, over and over.
Seems the only breed/type getting any outcry of protection is the breed/type responsible for the glut of these brutal killings–and to me, that is wrong. The poodles and chi’s and other fluffy mops of the world that get called vermin and blamed for their own utterly IN-humane killings deserve to live in peace, unmolested, un-menaced, not prisoners in their own homes, yet their plight flies completely under the radar of the social media warriors scream from the rooftops about saving the poor pitties. It’s wrong.
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