As well as misconstruing and putting words into others mouths that they didn’t say, not answering direct questions that the answer is well known and proven and then resorting to temper tantrums and personal attacks.
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red mares-I guess some dog owners do not care about what happens to anyone else. It sickens me that these animals will attack again, and that nothing has been done to the owners. I hope the victim’s family files a civil suit against the owners, and everyone involved, including animal control. When theses animals attack again, then everyone involved who failed to do anything about these animals should be sued then also. It’s so sad that a man died, and nothing will be done about that.
Here’s another link to the article from another source (my computer and I are having serious issues with each other today):
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pit-bull-mauling-los-angeles-valentin-herrera/
And when I searched on the Google News site for this article, a bunch of other California attacks on people, and animals popped up. Virtually every owner of the murdering dogs said either “my dog never did anything like this before”, or denied it was their animal, while many attacks had photos of the animal still with blood on it.
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Several more people have been attacked and killed by pitt bulls since this thread was started. Including one in Oklahoma City, I think.
The Pit Bull lobby, as illustrated on this thread, does a fantastic job of suppressing these stories so they rarely see the light of national news. Media is routinely intimidated out of publishing anything with the word “pit bull” in it unless it’s a positive story of pits cuddling babies or being rescued from fighting rings. But when the cuddly pittie kills and/or mauls–covered up.
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that’s funny. source?
I’m starting to think that Sswor belongs to House Reddit: [IMG2=JSON]{“data-align”:“none”,“data-size”:“full”,“src”:"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6c/33/04/6c33049acdea686908d99cf0b93c1edf.jpg)
misreads a study? CHECK. posits own conclusion unsupported by said study cited? CHECK. posts outlandish statements with no certification? CHECK! argues with posters who point out that their conclusions are unsupported? CHECK!!
while it is no laughing matter that dogs maul or kill, or even that dogs that kill are not euthanized, you have to admire certain posters’s tenacity when it comes to pulling things out of their rumpus. oh and, when you ask them for sources they say “but we’ve provided!” (they haven’t) or “i’m too busy to provide!” –
bonus points if you can accuse posters asking for sources of being bullies/mean.
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Beowulf–please stop demonstrating exactly how the pit bull lobby intimidates anyone who oppose them, we get it.
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I personally don’t care why any animal attacks and kills someone that is helpless, and doing nothing to the dog. I find it unconscionable that an animal attacks and kills humans, and helpless pets gets returned to the owner, and gets to go on living, and killing other animals or attacking people. I don’t care what breed you own, and how you claim your dog never hurt anyone ever, if an animal attacks and kills off it’s property, it should be dead. Local laws in many places (as shown on San Francisco Animal Cops show) have no laws that address attacks on other animals. San Francisco Animal Control is the reason I stopped watching the animal precinct shows (and after watching two episodes of the Miami edition) because very little is done until people are horrible maimed while on public property, and nothing is done until there are repeated attacks on humans. One dog that ripped a passerby’s leg to the bone was rehomed out of the city, to San Diego after at least two major attacks on people. My guess is that the dog probably attacked again, and I hope the new owner was sued into poverty.
And by the way, if wanting an animal that slaughters or maims innocent animals and humans shot makes me a bad person, then that’s tough.
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Yes, in Oklahoma a woman was killed and nearly decapitated by pit bulls:
http://www.news9.com/story/35089316/…c-neighborhood
http://newsok.com/article/5544611
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“the pit bull lobby” - please. just like people who immediately assume someone who isn’t for their candidate is immediately against them, you immediately assumed I was a ~pitbull fanatic~ because I don’t believe BSL works. historically, it doesn’t. for the record, I’ve stated many times over this thread the dogs involved should be PTS, as should any dog that attacks or is aggressive to humans. somehow you seem wrapped up on the fact that if you aren’t for BSL you MUST be a pitbull fanatic!
all I’ve done is ask you to provide proof of your many, many incorrect statements. you’ve yet to provide any. when confronted with actual, legitimate studies by other posters (not me) you just argue instead of read them.
I asked you for a source and SURPRISE, you didn’t provide one and instead insulted me.
you’ve called me a bully, label me a “pitbull fanatic”/pitbull lobbyist (seriously what), and handwring.
I would love to know where you get your information about people bullying media reporters about PB related articles (?!). actually, I’d love any sources… but … I expect I won’t get them.
The thing is, as another poster pointed out, you weren’t even concerned about the poor man that got killed. You just needed fodder to fuel your anti-pit obsession.
Beowulf, you are my source for your most recent challenge. You do an excellent job demonstrating exactly how the pit bull lobby works–bust in, guns a’blazing, throw your weight around,repeatedly suggest that your opponent is stupid, mock and use sarcasm, barrage with condescension, make it personal, and keep making it personal. It’s designed to make your opponent uncomfortable enough to just drop the argument and walk away. It’s necessary when your opponent has a really good argument but the stakes are perceived as very high and you refuse to lose.
I don’t need to win the argument with you because time is on my side of this issue. Pit bulls will keep killing. Sooner or later, it’s going to come to a head. The wrong kid will get killed. Or the wrong elderly person will be mauled and then we will see what legislation will be the result. Dog ownership is not a protected right in the constitution, it can be regulated. Frankly, with as many idiots as there are in the world, it probably should be to some extent.
To address the notion that I hate all pit bulls–I attended an agility trial over the weekend that was geared towards green dogs and had a chance to see a variety of different breeds at a variety of levels. There were retrievers, terriers, collies, and pit bulls–the whole spectrum of the type. One of the pit bulls was an awesome dog. She was little and fast and precise and although green, very attentive and very on the aids–or whatever they call it in dogs; she was right there, all the time. She was about 40lbs, in perfect condition, and short, maybe 14". But athletic as all get out and well proportioned. Great dog. She had eyes for nothing but the ring and her handler. The other three were not impressive. No focus, no structure, always distracted with the outside of the ring, owner yelling commands that were ignored. Usually, Come! Here! Brutis! Here! Hey!
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Yes, an impressive amount of energy and hateful emotions goes into each of her attacks…sadly that energy is wasted and ineffectual. The type of anger displayed by the pro-pitbull people on here only demonstrates what you’ve already mentioned. Once backed into a corner knowing that their arguement is weak, the claws come out.
BSL does work, it does exactly what it is created to do as long as the laws made within it are followed strictly and efficiently. The fact that BSL does work with the specific breed it names is undeniable.
It is just a matter of time before more areas adopt strict pit bull/pit bull type BSL’s where they are most needed. Eradication of a breed of dog has been made necessary because of stupid people, not just the irresponsible owners but the government that has allowed this problem to grow so largely out of control. Sadly more innocent people will have to be either maimed or killed before this happens.
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Here’s someone that will be hit hard in her pocket book for encouraging someone to pat her pit bull.
Only one example of an irresponsible owner pushing, “My pit bull isn’t dangerous, he’s just a big baby!”
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How and why has a society encouraged the unregulated breeding and ownership of a dog that has the ability and desire to nearly totally decapitate an adult human? This attack was made by these dogs with the sole intent to kill something they saw as a target. They weren’t defending their property or protecting their owner, they weren’t acting out of fear for themselves and the age old, “It’s the conditions they’re raised in that makes them so nasty”, just doesn’t fly with me.
Physically these dogs have a very high potential of being a killing machine, genetic mentality only increases this physical potential even the most responsible owner that may turn their back for a minute, forget to close the door or latch the gate is only adding to the already out of control problem.
I firmly believe that all dog ownership should be very heavily regulated. I’m tired of seeing genetically deformed GSD’s destined to a short life of pain, I’m angered at the backwoods hillbillies breeding wolf-dogs, I’m saddened to watch Bulldogs struggle with the simple act of breathing and I am fed up with the people that promote these things not only for actively breeding them but to those who buy them because, “They’re soooo cool!”
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CT-That case has been going on for a long time. Apparently, the animal has attacked a bunch of people before (yes, I read smutty articles sometimes about people who are famous only for being famous).
You’ve obviously been looking at real news, and not the section about people who are only ‘famous’ because they’re on a reality show. It in the section under mindless time wasters on the news channels.
Lol, it’s the first time I heard of it in my neck of the woods, it showed up on my newsfeed this morning.
If that owner lived in Ontario the dog would have been euthanised long ago.
Another attack on a man’s JRT, and when he threw himself on the dog to save it’s life the two dogs attacked him. Yes, the two attacking dogs were unleashed, but supposedly one had a leash attached. At least the attacking dogs owner did the right thing and euthanized her animals. Warning: watch the attached video only if you have a strong stomach.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/23…l-terrier.html
A bystander took the JRT to safety, and then others dragged the man away from the dogs. The dogs then attack each other.
The JRT owner, and his dog both survived, but both have serious injuries.
Fatally? It makes one think they are all dead :winkgrin: It doesnt realy matter what size your dog is- when its getting attacked from another dog, its YOUR dog. The video part that was shown, showed pretty clearly that the woman had no control over the pits. I like pits- its the handlers I dont like. Same goes for a few other breeds- its not the dogs- its the handlers. And the dogs get to pay for it. In all my years working with dogs, I have heard pretty much every excuse possible for bad behavior with a dog- with kids pretty much the same now :rolleyes: but given the short clip with these dogs and the fact that they bit a person and didnt stop- they pretty much crossed that line a dog shouldnt cross. And at that age, they wont change either. Add to that a owner that doesnt have control…yeah- if these dogs are not put down, it would be just another disaster waiting to happen http://ktla.com/2017/04/21/i-was-being-chewed-on-catalina-island-dog-attack-victim-says-after-saving-his-6-pound-terrier-from-2-larger-dogs/
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I find it amazing that a Canadian poster keeps insisting here and everywhere this topic comes up that the BSL ban is working in Ontario, pretty big place Ontario. Pretty sure said Poster has not been doing their investigation all over all of Ontario. Positive that here in my part of Ontario, you can still get a Pitbull, puppy ads all over, Pitbulls out in public with no muzzles even. Pretty positive just looking around my little corner of the world (cause I’m not an authority of all Ontario), but if it aint working here, then I guess her suggestion that it is working in ALL of Ontario, might just maybe, not be that accurate.
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It did work very well when the ban was fist applied Ontario wide and still continues to work.
Of course there will always be exceptions to the rule and law breakers will not spay/neuter according to the BSL laws and will continue to breed pit bulls. As I have already mentioned in other pit bull threads in the past, there was a guy in the last city I lived in that did that and he was reported by several people and had the dog and her puppies taken away from him and was charged and fined according to the law.
It depends on how well the ACS works at enforcing the BSL in their individual areas as well as whether people in those communities report what ACS doesn’t see.
Except for in a few areas, the BSL has worked in the majority of Ontario.
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Well I live in Ontario and although I generally agree with CT about other doggy matters I completely disagree that BSL has worked here. I believe CT is in Ottawa (is that right CT??) and I am in Toronto. Perhaps that is the difference. Where are you CD?
The worst of the worst still own, breed and sell these things. I see no evidence of BSL efficacy in my area.
I also have a dog in this fight to a degree…I own Doberman and worry about the slippery slope so BSL is not my preferred solution.
I mentioned at some point I met a Pitbull at an IPO workshop late last year. Intact with cropped ears, around a year and a half old. Owner did not appear to be experienced and had the thing there wanting to do bite work (obedience nowhere near confirmed of course). Made me sick. At this point the dog is a big, dopey, hungry lump with no interest/drive but who knows it’s potential.
