Man fatally mauled, dog killed, by pit bulls on dog walk

[khall]

CT: “Please stop denigrating a member with an opinion different from yours, you’re lowering the tone again.” Excuse me? But it is ok for skyon to accuse me of being an extremist? I’m sorry but that street goes both ways.

CT it is your right to choose to own a human aggressive dog, it is not a choice I would make because as viney said just up thread sh*t happens.

As for whether or not a dog can be rehabbed that is dog or human aggressive, yes it can. I personally know of a GSD that was going to be euthanized for human and dog aggression, he had a bite history. He ended up with a trainer and is now her right hand in training the dogs that come to her. He is around both dogs and humans off leash without a muzzle on. http://www.serenityk9.org/ratesandservices/ It is the long haired sable GSD in this picture. Laren is known for rehabbing aggressive dogs. Another trainer also known for rehabbing aggressive dogs: http://www.graysk9academyllc.com and another very well know trainer that specializes in aggressive dogs: https://thegooddog.net I don’t necessarily agree with their tools and methods but they are successful.

CT: “Dogs are profiled because of their looks because the standard personality for each breed runs true.” Again you are equating a dogs look with a certain breed profile and that is just not true. You cannot with good accuracy look at a mixed breed dog or sometimes even pure bred dog (often cane corso or dogo argentina as well as some mastiffs are mistaken for a bully breed)
http://stories.barkpost.com/study-pr…ify-pit-bulls/
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogbl…ification.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science…9002331500310X

Especially read this! https://www.animalsheltering.org/sit…nn-Caitlin.pdf

This is why you CANNOT predict a dogs possible behavior based on his or her appearance, ONLY their prior behavior is a reliable indicator of future behavior. YOU CANNOT PROFILE BASED ON LOOKS OF A DOG.

This is why I totally agree with red mare: “it’s not the breeds, but the fact that red flags are ignored and previous attacks aren’t reported, because people don’t want to get the animal in trouble with animal control, or it’s a family member, and nothing is done about earlier, progressive aggressive behavior.”

[khall]

As for whether or not a dog can be rehabbed that is dog or human aggressive, yes it can. I personally know of a GSD that was going to be euthanized for human and dog aggression, he had a bite history. He ended up with a trainer and is now her right hand in training the dogs that come to her. He is around both dogs and humans off leash without a muzzle on. http://www.serenityk9.org/ratesandservices/ It is the long haired sable GSD in this picture. Laren is known for rehabbing aggressive dogs. Another trainer also known for rehabbing aggressive dogs: http://www.graysk9academyllc.com and another very well know trainer that specializes in aggressive dogs: https://thegooddog.net I don’t necessarily agree with their tools and methods but they are successful.

CT: “Dogs are profiled because of their looks because the standard personality for each breed runs true.” Again you are equating a dogs look with a certain breed profile and that is just not true. You cannot with good accuracy look at a mixed breed dog or sometimes even pure bred dog (often cane corso or dogo argentina as well as some mastiffs are mistaken for a bully breed)
http://stories.barkpost.com/study-proves-difficult-visually-identify-pit-bulls/
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2013/05/a-new-study-discussing-the-reliability-of-visual-breed-identification.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X

Especially read this! https://www.animalsheltering.org/sites/default/files/Removing%20Breed%20Labels-Quinn-Caitlin.pdf

This is why you CANNOT predict a dogs possible behavior based on his or her appearance, ONLY their prior behavior is a reliable indicator of future behavior. YOU CANNOT PROFILE BASED ON LOOKS OF A DOG.

This is why I totally agree with red mare: “​​​​​​​it’s not the breeds, but the fact that red flags are ignored and previous attacks aren’t reported, because people don’t want to get the animal in trouble with animal control, or it’s a family member, and nothing is done about earlier, progressive aggressive behavior.”

[khall]

As for whether or not a dog can be rehabbed that is dog or human aggressive, yes it can. I personally know of a GSD that was going to be euthanized for human and dog aggression, he had a bite history. He ended up with a trainer and is now her right hand in training the dogs that come to her. He is around both dogs and humans off leash without a muzzle on. http://www.serenityk9.org/ratesandservices/ It is the long haired sable GSD in this picture. Laren is known for rehabbing aggressive dogs. Another trainer also known for rehabbing aggressive dogs: http://www.graysk9academyllc.com and another very well know trainer that specializes in aggressive dogs: https://thegooddog.net I don’t necessarily agree with their tools and methods but they are successful.

CT: “Dogs are profiled because of their looks because the standard personality for each breed runs true.” Again you are equating a dogs look with a certain breed profile and that is just not true. You cannot with good accuracy look at a mixed breed dog or sometimes even pure bred dog (often cane corso or dogo argentina as well as some mastiffs are mistaken for a bully breed)
http://stories.barkpost.com/study-proves-difficult-visually-identify-pit-bulls/
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2013/05/a-new-study-discussing-the-reliability-of-visual-breed-identification.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X

Especially read this! https://www.animalsheltering.org/sites/default/files/Removing%20Breed%20Labels-Quinn-Caitlin.pdf

This is why you CANNOT predict a dogs possible behavior based on his or her appearance, ONLY their prior behavior is a reliable indicator of future behavior. YOU CANNOT PROFILE BASED ON LOOKS OF A DOG.

This is why I totally agree with red mare: “​​​​​​​it’s not the breeds, but the fact that red flags are ignored and previous attacks aren’t reported, because people don’t want to get the animal in trouble with animal control, or it’s a family member, and nothing is done about earlier, progressive aggressive behavior.”

[khall]

As for whether or not a dog can be rehabbed that is dog or human aggressive, yes it can. I personally know of a GSD that was going to be euthanized for human and dog aggression, he had a bite history. He ended up with a trainer and is now her right hand in training the dogs that come to her. He is around both dogs and humans off leash without a muzzle on. http://www.serenityk9.org/ratesandservices/ It is the long haired sable GSD in this picture. Laren is known for rehabbing aggressive dogs. Another trainer also known for rehabbing aggressive dogs: http://www.graysk9academyllc.com and another very well know trainer that specializes in aggressive dogs: https://thegooddog.net I don’t necessarily agree with their tools and methods but they are successful.

CT: “Dogs are profiled because of their looks because the standard personality for each breed runs true.” Again you are equating a dogs look with a certain breed profile and that is just not true. You cannot with good accuracy look at a mixed breed dog or sometimes even pure bred dog (often cane corso or dogo argentina as well as some mastiffs are mistaken for a bully breed)
http://stories.barkpost.com/study-proves-difficult-visually-identify-pit-bulls/
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2013/05/a-new-study-discussing-the-reliability-of-visual-breed-identification.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002331500310X

Especially read this! https://www.animalsheltering.org/sites/default/files/Removing%20Breed%20Labels-Quinn-Caitlin.pdf

This is why you CANNOT predict a dogs possible behavior based on his or her appearance, ONLY their prior behavior is a reliable indicator of future behavior. YOU CANNOT PROFILE BASED ON LOOKS OF A DOG.

This is why I totally agree with red mare: “​​​​​​​it’s not the breeds, but the fact that red flags are ignored and previous attacks aren’t reported, because people don’t want to get the animal in trouble with animal control, or it’s a family member, and nothing is done about earlier, progressive aggressive behavior.”

[CanadianTrotter]

@skyon

There may be a reason for that - countries where the American Pit bull Terrier and other are banned:
https://petolog.com/articles/banned-dogs.html

Exactly!

[StarPattern]

Threads like this make me sad, if only because every single one of the deaths by dog attack could have easily been avoided. Every single one was preventable with proper maintenance and vigilance on the owner’s part. How do I know? I have a very anxious dog that reacts aggressively to strangers. He is a Doberman, so he already has that against him. He looks intimidating, even if he was the sweetest, friendliest dog in the history of the world.

But he is not. He is so socially anxious that even a walk can stress him out. He is on medication to help him cope, but I also take other steps to protect him. Strangers in his “bubble” cause his brain to basically short circuit and he has a panic attack which could result in lunging, biting or just vicious barking. I could euthanize him, but aside from his anxiety, he is a good dog. I do not walk him during “peak” hours. When we walk, it’s early in the morning or late at night and he doesn’t leave the house without a muzzle. If he encounter someone on our walk, we cross the street away from them or give the other person a wide berth while I put him in a down-stay. He is never off leash, even if I’m going from my house to my driveway. When people come to the house, he is crated in his room, behind a closed door. My friends and family know not to just walk into the house because that could end badly. When we go to the vet, I call ahead and make sure any dogs waiting are leashed and there is a clear path from the reception desk to his exam room. He does not get to meet children in any circumstance and he doesn’t get to interact with most people unless he is muzzled and leashed. He is never outside without supervision and I lock my gate just in case.

Is it overkill? Perhaps… but it’s better than the alternative. By doing what I do, I keep him and the general public safe. It’s a lot of work, but he’s healthy and happy with his small “pack” - me, my boyfriend and our other dog. Everyone else, he is suspicious of and that’s why he doesn’t get to interact with them. Like anyone, he has his good days and his bad days. On his good days, we might be able to walk past a stranger on the sidewalk. On his bad days, I don’t even invite trouble by walking him.

I think breeds with aggressive tendencies need a very particular owner, one that will be both sensitive to them but also strict. Pitbulls, Rotties, Dobes and similar breeds NEED structure in their life. They need a job or else they short circuit. Boredom can kill, especially in such strong dogs. A bored dog is extremely dangerous. Couple that with an owner who has no clue about the breed and just likes how “tough” they look and you have a very volatile combination.

[khall]

CT and Skyon: Originally posted by skyon View Post
There may be a reason for that - countries where the American Pit bull Terrier and other are banned:
https://petolog.com/articles/banned-dogs.html
Exactly!

Again, both of you are looking at the shine and not the substance.

Let’s review what the term “pit bull” includes: Formal breeds often considered in North America to be of the pit bull type include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The American Bulldog is also sometimes included.

Some countries do out right ban certain breeds that include the “pit bull” breeds like here:
Norway

From 2004 in this country were banned following dogs: [LIST=1]

Dogo Argentino

American Pitbull Terrier

American Staffordshire Terrier

Tosa Inu

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog

Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian Mastiff) [/LIST][B]Some like Italy had a ban and then have since dropped them:[/B] [B]Italy[/B]

In September 2003 Italy has adopted a list of 92 breeds that were prohibited or restricted for keeping. It included even harmless Border Collies and Welsh Corgi. On 14 January 2007 the law was revised and the list of especially dangerous dogs was shortened: [LIST=1]

American Bulldog

Yugoslavian Shepherd Dog

Anatolian Shepherd Dog

Central Asian Shepherd Dog

Caucasian Shepherd Dog

Portuguese Sheepdog

Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian Mastiff)

Dogo Argentino

Perro da ganado majorero

Dogo Canario

Pitbull and all its variants

Portuguese Mastiff

Rottweiler

Tosa Inu [/LIST] In 2009 the list of restricted breeds was cancelled and today the law requires owners of all to focus on ensuring public safety through walking their dogs on a leash and having a muzzle (even for small breeds).

We just spent 10 days in Rome, Italy and traveling around Italy, never once did I see a dog being walked with a muzzle and we saw quite a few dogs. All were on leash, no running loose.

Some just have heavy restrictions on certain breeds: [h=3]Spain[/h]
The Royal decree of 2002 entered restrictions on dog breeds such as:
[LIST=1]

American Pitbull Terrier

American Staffordshire Terrier

Dogo Argentino

English Bull Terrier

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Rottweiler

Akita inu

Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian Mastiff)

Tosa Inu [/LIST] In order to obtain a license for the housing of these breeds its owner must be of a legal age, have no criminal records, be mentally and physically healthy, as well as get liability insurance for a total of 120 000 euros.

Sorry CT and Skyon, but your unwillingness to read for substance and with critical thinking is again showing your bias against the “pit bull” types.

[red_mares]

@StarPattern

Is it overkill? Perhaps… but it’s better than the alternative. By doing what I do, I keep him and the general public safe. It’s a lot of work, but he’s healthy and happy with his small “pack” - me, my boyfriend and our other dog. Everyone else, he is suspicious of and that’s why he doesn’t get to interact with them. Like anyone, he has his good days and his bad days. On his good days, we might be able to walk past a stranger on the sidewalk. On his bad days, I don’t even invite trouble by walking him.

I’m going to try and say this tactfully, but I will probably fail. I say this in the sincerest, kindest way, as to a friend in a destructive relationship.

StarPattern, I think you are part of the problem. You know your dog is dangerous. You manage every second of his life to prevent someone getting hurt by him. You know he’s not even really happy - how happy can a dog that ridden with anxiety be?

Is this life, constantly medicated so he can handle the anxiety of going on a simple walk, really better than the alternative? Your dog is not healthy, he’s mentally ill. If he were painfully, incurably lame in one leg, would you force him to live for another 5 years?

I read through several blogs by owners of dogs similar to yours, do you know what most of them reported when they decided that “the alternative” was better than this life? Relief. A little bit of guilt, but mostly relief and and also wonderment as to why they hadn’t done it earlier. It is OK to live your life without fearing what your dog will do on a daily basis. It is OK to have a dog that makes your life better.

I know you love your dog, but ask yourself, “If this dog were a person, would you tolerate this behavior in your life?” If a boyfriend required living on these eggshells to prevent someone from getting physically hurt, would you stay in the relationship? If you saw a friend in a relationship like this, would you tell them to stay or leave?

Most bored dogs are not “extremely dangerous.” They are a bit rambunctious, a little destructive, but not “extremely dangerous.” If you have a dog that is “extremely dangerous”, it should be put down.

[GoodTimes]

@red mares

I’m going to try and say this tactfully, but I will probably fail. I say this in the sincerest, kindest way, as to a friend in a destructive relationship.

StarPattern, I think you are part of the problem. You know your dog is dangerous. You manage every second of his life to prevent someone getting hurt by him. You know he’s not even really happy - how happy can a dog that ridden with anxiety be?

Is this life, constantly medicated so he can handle the anxiety of going on a simple walk, really better than the alternative? Your dog is not healthy, he’s mentally ill. If he were painfully, incurably lame in one leg, would you force him to live for another 5 years?

I read through several blogs by owners of dogs similar to yours, do you know what most of them reported when they decided that “the alternative” was better than this life? Relief. A little bit of guilt, but mostly relief and and also wonderment as to why they hadn’t done it earlier. It is OK to live your life without fearing what your dog will do on a daily basis. It is OK to have a dog that makes your life better.

I know you love your dog, but ask yourself, “If this dog were a person, would you tolerate this behavior in your life?” If a boyfriend required living on these eggshells to prevent someone from getting physically hurt, would you stay in the relationship? If you saw a friend in a relationship like this, would you tell them to stay or leave?

Most bored dogs are not “extremely dangerous.” They are a bit rambunctious, a little destructive, but not “extremely dangerous.” If you have a dog that is “extremely dangerous”, it should be put down.

You read my mind and articulated this so much better then I could have. Micromanaging a dog because they are potentially that dangerous is akin to keeping a wild animal in your house. Crap happens, the risk isn’t worth it. You don’t need to save them all.

[JanM]

To add to what skyon said, you also need to be conscious of the fact that if you want to live on a military post or base, there are prohibited breeds that are universal across all services. Because of privatized housing on posts or bases, the insurance rules are the same, and the banned lists are the same. However, the host country in overseas assignments trumps any base regulation, because you have to go by local rules, and military.

I’ve totally fed up with a military family living off post that adopts a breed they know can never live on post. Then when they get post housing they think someone will bend the rules for their dog. There are no rules changed because you bought a prohibited breed.

[StarPattern]

[quote=“red ![](ares,post:808,topic:426816”]

I’m going to try and say this tactfully, but I will probably fail. I say this in the sincerest, kindest way, as to a friend in a destructive relationship.

StarPattern, I think you are part of the problem. You know your dog is dangerous. You manage every second of his life to prevent someone getting hurt by him. You know he’s not even really happy - how happy can a dog that ridden with anxiety be?

[/quote]

I understand where you’re coming from and I think, in a certain capacity, people who have not dealt with a situation like this cannot fathom it. It’s okay if you think I’m part of the problem, but at the end of the day… you don’t know my dog. You don’t live with him and you haven’t seen him grow up. As a pup and until he turned 2 years old, he was very friendly. I’ve had him since he was 5 months old. He was neutered at 6 months old. When he turned 2 years old, I found myself in an abusive relationship and my dog seemed to take it upon himself to protect me. He is very particular about who comes into the house, because of the abuse I suffered in my previous relationship. We have worked with a trainer who specializes in his kind of anxiety. I have taken him to the vet and have had multiple tests performed to ensure there wasn’t an illness or pain somewhere. Blood work, liver counts, everything you could possibly think to test a dog on, came back completely normal, aside from his thyroid functioning sluggishly. So he went on medication for that. He was also prescribed Prozac because of his anxiety. Like a human, some dogs cannot handle stress as well as others. Unlike humans, dogs cannot tell us what is wrong. There are days when he is happy to socialize with people, but then there are days when he just can’t handle it. The muzzle provides protection in case I misread his body language. Planning his walks is how I ensure he has more good days than bad. I know he is difficult, but like all of us here… I don’t believe in setting an animal up for failure. I have talked, at length, to his trainer and his vets and asked them what they would do if he was their dog. His trainer has told me he’s not a bad dog, but he’s an uncertain dog. He lacks confidence. When a dog lacks confidence, their anxiety tends to rule their brains. Sometimes, it can take a while to build confidence, which is why we take things slow as to not overwhelm him. His low thyroid does not help his cause. His vets say he is healthy and he is well behaved when they see him. I call ahead to ensure the waiting room is free of loose dogs because, again… I like to set my dog up for success.

I won’t argue or try to change your minds because again… you don’t know my dog. I do and if I believed my dog was so unhappy, I would be driving him to the vet myself. I’m not so cruel as to keep any animal around for my own selfish pleasures. I’ve attached a picture of him re-learning to socialize with strangers. In this instance, there were 8 “strangers” in the room with him. He went to visit each of them for attention. He did well until one moved suddenly and startled him. Then he squealed like a dog does if you accidentally step on it’s foot, turned his head quickly and bopped his muzzle on the guy’s leg. He immediately ran for me afterwards. Didn’t growl, bark or otherwise act out - he got startled.

[IMG]https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13439016_10153603674191316_7658603939643689256_n.jpg?oh=eaaeb29dc828b6898a3285ead138bdec&oe=5A0FC94B)

[Thylacine]

dunno, but the body language of that dobe (thank buddha that that awful ear trimming thing is illegal in oz!) says ‘I can’t bear to even acknowledge that there are humans I don’t know near me can someone get me outta here?!’

won’t say anything about drinking/watching sport with a problem dog in an enclosed room…

[JanM]

There’s a video story from Dubuque, Grant Co. Wisconsin that I can’t even look at . A little 2 year old girl was attacked by her great grandmother’s wolf that was illegally kept in a cage by the woman. The little girl is recovering after a number of surgeries, and the wolf was put down. The wolf owner will also be fined for having a wild animal without a license. Apparently the little girl went over to feed something to the animal through the cage bars, and was grabbed. Of course the grandson is saying his grandma has had these animals for years, and he bottle fed this one.

[Sswor]

Meh, people love their dogs. I’m way less worried about that pictured muzzled dobe then I am about your average undersocialized, underexercised pet pit. No one wants to admit their dog is dangerous and put it to the needle preemptively. Seriously–how can anyone who owns a beloved dog blame them?

Civilized society ought have no need for dogs bred to bring down human prey. Feral hogs are not in the cities, so dogs capable of handling them really have no place outside of the back woods. I’d rather just outright ban the breed(s) pit, pit etc, cane corso etc, doggo whatever–all pits bulls of various sizes; bulldog/mastiff crosses with a sprinkle of terrier to taste. Stop billing them as family-friendly sweater wearing couch potatoes. Instead start dissuading people from owning them and steering them instead towards more easy-going, adaptable breeds instead. Tell the truth about the breed–it is responsible for the vast majority of disfiguring and fatal maulings on humans, it can be very dog aggressive and is capable of killing any size dog with little to no provocation. Caution should be exercised when leaving pit bulls alone with children or seniors or anyone else unable to defend ones person from a large, aggressive predator in the house, just in case.

No need to go around hunting down and confiscating pit bulls. Ban all breeding going forward, ban all intact pit bull type dogs nationwide, and the problem will solve itself in 10 years time. Keep your beloved dogs but the only way out of a blanket pit bull neuter mandate is to produce National governing body organization show results indicting the dog is actively competing. A strong national breed-specific legislation for all incorporated areas might be the only thing that can save this “breed” because as it stands now, there is no good argument for its continued existence.

[JanM]

That what still amazes me about the pit attacks. The dogs are supposed to be dog aggressive, and not human aggressive. Yet there are still unprovoked attacks on humans, and some owners still claim the dog is safe to have around. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

[khall]

Sswor, yeah keep dreaming that ban will NEVER happen because of all what has been cited over and over again yet your bully bias just cannot wrap your head around the fact that there are extremely few dog bite fatalities. Way more to worry about that kill humans and children than dogs (hey like gun control) and much better way to address dog bite fatalities than BSLs considering it is not just bullies that are involved. Considering the many many bullies that happily live in our society without ever causing an issue, and all the other points you, JanM and CT have such a problem grasping talk about extremist views, there you go.

JanM how many human aggressive bullies have you come across personally? Out of how many bullies you have personally met? I have come across 1 human aggressive bully, yet have been around many over the years. I have also come across 1 Rottie that was human aggressive, 1 chow that was human aggressive and 1 shar pei that was human aggressive and 1 GSD that was human aggressive. Out of those breeds, I have been around much fewer of them over the years than the bullies. Any dog has the potential to bite and many have killed over the years of a wide variety of breeds. BSLs do nothing to reduce dog bites or dog bite fatalities, period.

Interesting fact from Denver from here: http://www.westword.com/news/3-497-dead-dogs-and-other-numbers-from-denvers-pit-bull-ban-5834767

Denver dog bites have gone down over all from all breeds (“pit bulls” bites relatively stable in the years except for 2004)
"What is notable is the significant drop in dog bites of all breeds, from 1,146 in 1990 to 305 in 2008. Animal control officials attribute this decrease in total bites to increased enforcement of Denver’s non-breed specific dog laws and county-wide spaying and neutering efforts."

and from here: http://www.westword.com/news/boulder-takes-a-bite-out-of-bad-dog-behavior-5105388

“Boulder officials say they have no reliable count of how many dogs there are in the city, let alone pit bulls. In 2008, Boulder’s animal-control division recorded 207 dog bites; 9 were reported to have come from pit bulls. The numbers were similar in the three years prior. And Boulder hasn’t had a fatal dog attack in at least thirty years. Because what it does have is a muscular dangerous-dog law and a unique bite-diversion program that teaches owners how to control aggressive behavior in their dogs in order to prevent future bites.”

Boulder has a very educational approach to animal control, the above article is a good read why BSLs are not the answer but ENFORCED dangerous dog laws and education/outreach is much more appropriate and effective.

[red_mares]

@StarPattern

I understand where you’re coming from and I think, in a certain capacity, people who have not dealt with a situation like this cannot fathom it. It’s okay if you think I’m part of the problem, but at the end of the day… you don’t know my dog. You don’t live with him and you haven’t seen him grow up

You are part of the problem. If you muzzle your dog while he sits in the room as you watch TV, to protect yourself “in case you misread his body language”, you have your head firmly in the sand. Your dog is not safe to be around, he should be put down. Period.

I can’t fathom the situation, because there is no need to fathom it. You have a dangerous dog. You think you are special enough to keep a dangerous dog. I hope whomever he happens to bite next reports it to animal control. Obviously you are concerned about bites since you keep him muzzled in your house. That you raised this dog since he was a pup is irrelevant; he’s not wired right between the ears.

It doesn’t surprise me that you were in an abusive relationship before. You are still in an abusive relationship now - the dog is your abuser. You sound like a typical battered woman. If your dog hurts you, it’s because you misread his body language, not because there is a problem with the dog. Find a better counselor.

I can buy Sisu’s justification for keeping her Jaeger terrier that has killed other dogs before yours. So glad I’m not one of your neighbors.

[Gestalt]

Oh how I wish I hadn’t looked at the pic of the dobie muzzled in the room with several young men. That poor, poor dog what a horrible life.

Big, aggressive dog breeds should not be owned by the average citizen. The dogs themselves are too prone to being abused by their owners.

[JanM]

khall-The dog attacks in Atlanta on little kids walking to school, the other ones cited here, such as that poor baby in Michigan, and the ones you read about when you do a search on pit bull attacks on humans. They are human aggressive, and like the poor man and his dog in the subject of this thread, were all attacks on humans.

There was even one here when I first moved to this area, where a little boy and his dog were ripped apart by a man’s eleven pit bulls. The little boy and dog were in the grandparents’ yard, behind a closed fence, and they were killed. That’s when I found out this county doesn’t have a vicious dog statute, and the neighbor who owned the dogs wanted them back from the pound after quarantine.

The attacks in the news with pictures of the animals, and owners saying what breed or mix they are, gives me all the proof I need. I don’t see why a breed that is supposed to be dog aggressive, and not human aggressive is allowed to live after savaging some, such as a child walking to school, and be given back to the owner. I still don’t understand someone keeps a proven vicious animal, and won’t even confine it properly.

[rockonxox]

@Gestalt

Oh how I wish I hadn’t looked at the pic of the dobie muzzled in the room with several young men. That poor, poor dog what a horrible life.

Quality of life. Sadly, this dog really doesn’t have it if he must be micromanaged like this.

@JanM

There was even one here when I first moved to this area, where a little boy and his dog were ripped apart by a man’s eleven pit bulls.

Breed ban or not, I highly doubt the city has an ordinance that allows so many adult dogs. Every city I have lived in has a limit without a kennel license – something tells me this guy would not have had it if this is what happened. So… you are saying the city allowed him to keep all 11 pit/pit mixes/whatever that killed this boy? Regardless of breed, pack mentality ups the ante. Sounds like your city effed up real bad.