Mare scared of other horses when hacking

I have a 9 year old shire/QH cross. We were working on hills near a fenced in pasture, which was about 100 feet away. This girl spinned, spooked, and repeatedly tried to bolt when the geldings hung their heads over to watch us. It took tremendous effort for me to stay on. One rein stop was my friend. I tried to get her to do some circles, but she was so out of control, I couldn’t even do that. We headed to the indoor arena and she was just fine.

She pulled this crap once before, thankfully I was on the ground. She was petrified of a pony in pasture while we were walking by. I, like the idiot I am, thought it would be nice for her to meet the pony. He stuck is little nose out to say hello. Her response was to rear and bolt at a full gallop.

Anyone have any suggestions? This behavior concerns me, especially since I would like to go trail riding and do some low level shows.

Sounds like you need to keep working on the basics - she is listening when she feels like listening. I’d do tons and tons and tons of desensitizing with her as well, with as many objects, obstacles and situations as possible. Stay in the ring until you feel like she is really listening, then gradually move her outside her comfort zone. Good luck and stay safe!

Can you ride out with a calm horse, who won’t react? Or even pony her?

I can’t imagine that reaction, in so typical a situation. Kind of odd.

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I have a 9 year old shire/QH cross. We were working on hills near a fenced in pasture, which was about 100 feet away. This girl spinned, spooked, and repeatedly tried to bolt when the geldings hung their heads over to watch us. It took tremendous effort for me to stay on. One rein stop was my friend. I tried to get her to do some circles, but she was so out of control, I couldn’t even do that. We headed to the indoor arena and she was just fine.

She pulled this crap once before, thankfully I was on the ground. She was petrified of a pony in pasture while we were walking by. I, like the idiot I am, thought it would be nice for her to meet the pony. He stuck is little nose out to say hello. Her response was to rear and bolt at a full gallop.

Anyone have any suggestions? This behavior concerns me, especially since I would like to go trail riding and do some low level shows.[/QUOTE]

Hi, If this was my horse I would ride out with another steady trail horse to set an example. I also would keep my horse at a farther distance away from what upsets her. It takes time for some horses to accept new sights and sounds on the trail, others pick up right away. Eventually your horse will get better, if she does not improve with time you may have to accept that she is just not suited to trails. I have ridden mostly OTTB’s and have had good luck with this system. I wish you well.

Horses have a life separate from what we share with them, a life of social interactions, and hierarchy amongst their own kind, and a social standing that is partially learned, and partially inherited from the dam. A horse who is terrified of other horses is often one that is low on the social scale in a herd situation, and is concerned about other horses beating it up any time they see another horse, as this is what they have experienced so far in their lives, or previously in their lives. They do not think that their human can protect them from what they know to be true… that they are going to be beat on by another horse. They have no self esteem. The other option can be that the horse is HIGH on the social scale, and normally gets all other horses to submit to them in advance of any challenge to their high social status, BUT, when a rider is on the horse or when being “controlled” by a human, they feel unable to dominate other horses as they normally would without a rider to hamper their efforts. Since they can not sort out their dominance quickly and in advance of actual interaction, they feel threatened, thinking that the other horse is going to beat on them, and they can not defend themselves or assert themselves as they would without a human involved. Thus, the spin and bolt happens from both types of horses.

It is a hard thing to change, how a horse feels about himself/herself. You are only a human, after all, and communication and understanding from a horse’s point of view is difficult, a cross species communication barrier. About all you can do is become more influential in your horse’s life, give him good directions to keep him safe, and hope to increase the trust he puts in you in situations where he would otherwise turn and run/bolt. He must come to trust your input over his own ideas/beliefs.

This is not a “bad behaviour”, it isn’t something that a horse can help, how he feels. It can definitely be a dangerous situation, for both horse and rider/handler, and it is wise to know in advance if your horse suffers from these insecurities, and act accordingly. Riding with another horse who your horse will consider to be a protector (other than you) will help, but the key is for your horse to consider YOU to be his protector, to rely on YOU to keep him safe in every situation in which he would otherwise feel afraid. Because horses are often afraid, they are prey animals. Healthy fear is what keeps them alive, they think. And running away is their prime life saving activity.

Good luck with your horse. Get her broke in an arena situation before riding out on the trail. “Broke” means responding adequately and reliably to all cues, and keeping her attention on the human when asked to do so.

Thank you everyone for such thoughtful replies. I am taking each one to heart.

What puzzles me the most about my horse is that she is an absolute dream in the arena. This mare responds to verbal cues and the lightest touch. I trust my boyfriend on her (well, in the arena).

I agree, katyb, this is a downright odd situation.

Saddle Search, I will ask my trainer to ride with us next time. I’ll ask her to ride one of our lesson masters to show her how it is done. Am I being unreasonable to want to hack around the farm as we head over to the trail paths?

NancyM, thank you so much for writing your response. Very enlightening. My mare is low on the totem pole. I had not thought that she did not feel protected. I was thinking she was just frightened by new horses. I’ll continue to do my groundwork and arena work with my trainer as always.

I’ll admit, I am discouraged by her response. :frowning:

I am also discouraged by my geldings response to other horses.

Like you he is so quiet at home I can trust my husband on him when I am not even home.

Unlike yours he is not at the bottom of the pecking order but does suffer from separation anxiety.

We took him for a lesson and he was so over excited that he cantered on the lunge in sidereins for 10 minutes when he only canters 4 strides at home, and I rode him afterward and he did not relax for one second. Hubby didn’t get to ride him as he is a beginner and this was not the same horse he rides at home.

The moment Sim stepped out of the float at home he was then relaxed enough to be able to pee and not a second beforehand.

The next week we both rode him at home with no worries. We took them to their first trail ride with us and he was relaxed and loving it.

We spied a horse in the distance and I had to tell hubby to dismount and he even had trouble on the ground.

We took them again last week and didn’t see another horse.

We are going for a lesson this weekend again and I plan to take him and lunge him and put him in a stable for 4 hours before the lesson to see if that makes any difference.

Argh. Horses! Who would want one?

I had a gelding that was great around other horses if he was turned out with them in a field (not low on the totem pole) and riding with other horses on trails was fine. But if I rode out alone and we had to pass lose horses in a field he would lose his mind. I could meet another rider and that was okay for him.

I became very vigilant while on our own to possible problems. He also would become a basket case if I took him to an arena. Horse with rider on the trails was fine, horse with or without rider in an unfamiliar arena was not fine.

It was crazy! This was a well broke horse. He never got over his fear either.

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Good luck with your horse. Get her broke in an arena situation before riding out on the trail. “Broke” means responding adequately and reliably to all cues, and keeping her attention on the human when asked to do so.[/QUOTE]

I believe you would have a better response from this mare if you did everything you could to protect her. We had Morgan mare who while showing back east was run into by a runaway in a class, afterwards she wasn’t at ease with any horse coming up on her from behind.

The short story is we handled her like we do our GSDs being ever on the look out to keep her out of situations that she wouldn’t feel comfortable… and it worked for her as she competed successfully for about 13 years in competitive trail as well as continued showing

NATRAC is a sort of a team sport even though the horse and the rider are judged separately… the overall winner is the combines scores… this horse went on to be a well respected national champion.

OP, how is your mare with other horses in the ring? Does she stay quiet if they come and go from the ring?

Can you ride her around outside, and have someone hand walk a horse nearby?

I’d try to get this mare a little bit out of her comfort zone so she can learn, but not so far out that she has a severe reaction such as bolting. If you hand walk her around the farm, does she have the same reaction?

Thanks clanter. What do you think about just leading her by the pastures? There is a driveway next to pastures with a patch of land on the other side. What if we stay on the other side and practice just walking back and forth? Would that help?

Flash44, my mare is a delight in the ring. She could care less if we are riding alone, or with other horses, and doesn’t mind if they come and go in the arena.

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It was crazy! This was a well broke horse. He never got over his fear either.[/QUOTE]

Sigh that is what I am afraid of.

Our lesson has been moved forward an hour so he won’t have as long in the stable.

I don’t think hubby realises that this Sunday is actually Fathers Day in Australia. We are booked in so I will tell him that we can’t pull out.

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Sigh that is what I am afraid of.

Our lesson has been moved forward an hour so he won’t have as long in the stable.

I don’t think hubby realises that this Sunday is actually Fathers Day in Australia. We are booked in so I will tell him that we can’t pull out.[/QUOTE]

You have my sympathies, I loved my guy but his “paranoia” was a real pain sometimes.

I agree with NancyM: This is not a “bad behaviour”, it isn’t something that a horse can help, how he feels. It can definitely be a dangerous situation, for both horse and rider/handler, and it is wise to know in advance if your horse suffers from these insecurities, and act accordingly. Riding with another horse who your horse will consider to be a protector (other than you) will help, but the key is for your horse to consider YOU to be his protector, to rely on YOU to keep him safe in every situation in which he would otherwise feel afraid. Because horses are often afraid, they are prey animals. Healthy fear is what keeps them alive, they think. And running away is their prime life saving activity.

I had a mare that was very afraid of other horses near her when riding. She was an orphan and was always the bottom of the totem pole. She was a nightmare in the schooling area. If horses were coming towards her, she would rear and spin to get away and if they came behind her she would try to shoot forward. A lot of fun.
What turned her confidence around, which is not a practical solution, is I bred her (not thinking it would help her fear). Her instincts to protect her baby turned her into King Kong. She was never afraid of other horses and is top dog on the farm.
I like the idea of riding her out with another safe horse and slowly work on getting her closer to horses that are turned out.

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We took him for a lesson and he was so over excited that he cantered on the lunge in sidereins for 10 minutes when he only canters 4 strides at home, and I rode him afterward and he did not relax for one second. Hubby didn’t get to ride him as he is a beginner and this was not the same horse he rides at home.

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We spied a horse in the distance and I had to tell hubby to dismount and he even had trouble on the ground.

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Argh. Horses! Who would want one?[/QUOTE]

The real question is: who would want one like this?
There are good solid citizens out there. I don’t ever want to buy another horse who isn’t well seasoned and nonchalant about commonplace sights and sounds.

I’ve gotten to an age where temperament is at least neck and neck in importance with soundness; because if I don’t have both, I’m not getting a good ride - and it’s a bloody expensive hobby, not justifiable if one’s safety or fun are limited due to behavioral issues.

Just reading about this makes me feel itchy! Life’s too short for a hare-brained horse - you could be having fun on a packer! Costs the same to keep!

I am going to keep trying. I would hate to just throw in the towel. I’ll work with my trainer and see what I come up with. However, I am not beyond considering another horse.

Update: There is a stallion in that field, unbeknownst to me. I only found this out from one of our barn rats in passing.

Would’ve been nice if the BO told me when I moved in 4 months ago! :lol:

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Update: There is a stallion in that field, unbeknownst to me. I only found this out from one of our barn rats in passing.

Would’ve been nice if the BO told me when I moved in 4 months ago! :lol:[/QUOTE]

The fact there is a stallion in that field should not matter to you or your horse.

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Update: There is a stallion in that field, unbeknownst to me. I only found this out from one of our barn rats in passing.

Would’ve been nice if the BO told me when I moved in 4 months ago! :lol:[/QUOTE]

What you’re describing doesn’t sound like hormonal behavior… don’t be so quick to blame the stallion!

I think you have a good plan set up with your trainer, and you will work through it in time.