Mare won't accept foal! WWYD?

Saturday morning one of the mares at our barn had her first baby. She was about 3 weeks early, and we hadn’t put her up in the barn yet. She had foaled out in the pasture, but everything went fine. Except that she won’t let the little guy drink!

The vet came out to give him his shots and stuff, and they had to sedate the mare just to let baby nurse. He said that sometimes the maiden mares are less than affectionate at first, and that she would come around fast enough. I have seen that before, but usually they come around pretty quickly!
Well, it is now Monday, and she still couldn’t care less about him… We have to hold her in order for baby to drink. If baby approaches her whenever we are not holding her, she chases him away, bites him and threatens to kick.

As long as he stays out of her way she is fine though… He seems to realize this too, and basically stays out of her way, until he sees us holding her and he will run over and drink. It kinda worries me that he already connects people=food! at this young age :frowning: He should really be bonding to his mom, not us.

I have never seen a mare this mean to her own foal, will she come around?? Is there anything else we can do to make her more accepting?

It is worrisome that she is not accepting her foal after more than 48 hours. Occasionally a mare never accepts the foal - and can even savage the baby.
It sounds as if you are doing the best to see the colt has had his colustrum, and that the vet has seen him.
Watch closely, and if you think the foal is in danger, try to get a nursemare, or switch to foal-lac or similar product.
Do you know what your mare’s dam was like as a mother? In my experience, fillies from rejecting mothers often are poor mothers themselves.
Good luck.

We had a mare YEARS ago that was sedated to have her foal basically pulled out of her…how the colt survived… that I will never know…BUT when she awoke from her sedation she tried to kill the poor colt. We sedated her, twtiched her and I begged and pleaded with her to accept her baby (she had a still born the year before and she was a new mare to me) LONG story short…after 6 days of begging, pleading, crying, sedating, twitching and threatening her to end her life if she didn’t take the colt…she finally gave in and tolerated him.

She never offered to kick at him, or hurt him after the six days…I will tell you, she NEVER loved that colt. She would let him nurse…never cared if he got into trouble with another broodmare in the field, wouldn’t share her feed with him and when we weaned him, she never so as much nickered for him.

We all felt so bad for him, we showered him in love and he turned out to be the sweetest, kindest horses I have ever owned.

I gave the mare away as a trail horse, telling her new owners about the ordeal…but I never wanted to take that chance again. I have been told that one time a mare will reject and the next time she may not…but it was just something that I never wanted to even take the chance with.

Good luck with your mare…it’s such a hard place to be in for all involved.

I would be worried about him getting enough to drink and holding the mare often enough :frowning: Might just be easier to essentially treat him as an orphan, find a foster mare or start on teaching to drink from the igloo milk cooler. Are you just able to hold her in the open and she will let him nurse, or do you have to restrain/sedate her in any way? If it is just a matter of holding her and she is fine, I would attempt to try and rig up a tie stall idea where she is immobile and he can reach under to nurse but she can’t kick him for atleast the nightime hours when you might not be around enough to hold and give them a bit longer together and see what happens.

I had one that was like this, it took about a week and then she was fine with him. she doesn’t like to be touched on her belly and area to start with so I think that was most of the problem. If she gets dangerous with him get a nurse mare.

Thanks for all the replies!

I don’t actually own the mare myself, she was bought as a broodmare by my client. So giving her a different “job” isn’t really an option… Her own dam was the same way with her first baby from what I have been able to find out, but then she was fine with the others. (I think she had 5 in total). So that might be the issue… although this particular mare was never rejected by her own dam.

We don’t have to sedate the mare right now, just holding her is enough. As long as we stand by her head she lets him nurse now, so I guess that’s a good sign? Will try to see if we could set up a tie stall for her, that is a very good idea!

Funny thing is, this mare is usually very mellow, and doesn’t mind being touched on her belly or anything either… I am hoping she will eventually come around, it is much better for the baby to be raised by his dam than to depend on people! But if she still doesn’t accept him by next week, we might just have to find him a friend and treat him as an orphan… I sure hope she will be a better mom next year.

Good luck, I hope perseverence wins out! I think it is a good sign that you can just hold her and she will let him nurse and also the fact she is only threatening to kick and not actually kicking him. So I would keep trying longer and see if she gets more comfortable with the idea.
Just curious if you were to remove the foal from her site would she be concerned at all? Maybe she is “watching” him for a distance and isn’t as indifferent as you think and just not comfortable yet with him up close? Just a thought…

Give a low dose of oxytocin right before you allow the foal to nurse. That will help with milk letdown, so if she is uncomfortable with the nursing it will help with making it easier for the foal to nurse. It is also the “maternal” hormone and that feel good, lovey dovey part of nursing (it’s the hormone of orgasms, as well :wink: ) so hopefully it will help with make her feel a little bit better about being a mom. Nursing actually causes the release of oxytocin, but giving a little bit upfront may help. Talk to your vet about it.

Good luck!

You might try rubbing a little of her manure on the foal’s butt. Sounds a bit nutty but it does work. Some mares also get a little crampy when the foals nurse as it does cause some contractions. Keep at it but do make sure the foal is nursing enough - keep an eye on the mare’s udder to make sure it’s not getting too full.

this isn’t going to be a popular option for everyone so take it with a grain of salt. Desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. Years ago we had a mare reject her filly, we would have to put a lip chain on her every time filly wanted to nurse. We ended up lelaving a lip chain on her during the day (someone was in the barn and near at all times) so that the filly could nurse at liberty. It took about two weeks, but mare finally came around. Knowing what I know now, I would have no problem leaving a lip bungee on a mare in the same situation. The next year it took three days for mom to be okay and the subsequent years we had no problems. The interesting thing was that the first year it was the mares first foal for us, but her fourth foal for her. It explained why the owners were so giddy when we bought her :frowning:

Good luck, sometimes it just takes these girls a bit to come around.

Lip chains work by releasing a small amt of endorphins – vets use this all the time and we used them alot on the track.

But the window of effectiveness is very small – maybe 10 minutes – and after that the horse just fights it.

Personally, if the mare allows the foal to nurse just by you at her head, I think the prognosis is good for nice outcome.

I would go out every 3 hrs. during the day, and then try tieing her up at night with a hay net and water bucket within reach.

The oxy. sounds good as well.

I had a mare who was orphaned at 3 wks and absolutely REFUSED to let me anywhere near her udders the whole pregnancy. I was really worried about what she would do to the foal, but she was a great mom – first baby she had she just lifted a back leg and used her nose to push the baby to the udder, like she’d been doing it her whole life.

Pretty amazing!

She did tend to get bored with the foals at about 3 months and at 4 months she was like, “get them outta here!”

But at least that made weaning easy.:wink:

Thanks for all the great ideas! She is getting the oxy shots now, and she is getting a bit better. We do still have to tie her up though, if baby tries to approach her she will still attack him…
They tried the poop thing in the beginning, but mare wasn’t falling for it!

We have a rope in the stall to tie mare, and every few hours the baby gets to drink as much as he wants. We are keeping a very close eye on him, but he seems to be doing just fine!

ewww attacking him and not letting him drink are two different things. Poor guy.

Maybe try feeding her a nice warm favorite mush of hers when he nurses to make the whole thing pleasant for her?

Good news!

However, you can’t do this forever, so if she is not willing to let him nurse after a week or 2 (at most), I would wean him onto a igloo momma and boot that bitchy mare o/o there. Otherwise the risk of damage to the foal is just too great.

And you don’t want to keep the kid in a stall any longer than absolutely necessary. One of the proven connections to OCD is prolonged confinement of the foal.

Also, the mare is going to go wiggy on you with that much stall time.

Good luck – I hope you will post the progress.

Here an update… not a very good one unfortunately.

Mare was taken to the vet clinic to be bred and had to stay there for a few days. The day she was supposed to come home they called and said the mare had kicked the baby in the head. The barn help had found him in the morning, unconscious… He has a concussion and a swollen eye. Poor guy. On top of that, he has lost a lot of weight, I am kind of pissed of, because they were supposed to be keeping a close eye on him and make sure he got to nurse enough. Apparently they figured he would be fine… Grrrr.

Anyways, since mare was attempting to attack the little guy even as they were dragging him out of the stall, they decided to separate them. Mare is at home now and back to her old mellow self, sweet as ever. Little guy is still at the vet clinic eating through a tube and trying to die… Hoping he will pull through…

(Again, this is not my horse, none of these decisions are mine to make, neither can I go off on this vet since it is not my horse or my vet, just for clarity :wink: )

So sorry Libera. Why would anyone breed that mare again?

So rhe owners want another orphan next year? And the vet ddnt notice weight loss until the foal was found unresoomsive. Lovely.

That statement needs to be echoed to the Mare Owner a thousand times. :no::no::no::frowning: A mare like that should be culled from the breeding herd, doesn’t matter if she’s fine with her next foal. I’m betting the behavior will just end up being passed on down the line…which it already was from her dam! Not much of a broodmare career if she keeps trying to kill her foals and causing huge vet bills for the Mare Owner. If it were my client, I would advise her to get rid of the mare. Still can’t believe she rebred her! :no::no:

Well she was bought as a broodmare (and some driving), and the vet doesn’t seem to think it will matter with the next baby or that it will be passed on… IDK?? Anyway, owner is going with his vet’s advice for now…

If she does it again next year, she probably won’t be bred again. We also have her full sister, who looks like her identical twin, and they want to drive them as a team. So at least she could still fulfill some kind of purpose :slight_smile:

Just hoping her sister is a bit better mother… I would hate to have to go through this again next year, but doubled!

I agree. A mare that rejects / attacks a foal, will likely not change. And that behaviour is hereditary. She should NOT be a broodmare.