Mares hate my Teaser??? Sigh.

[buschkn]

SO, in order to avoid any additional confusion or stress for my show stallion, I decided I would get a teaser. I know a farm who uses a Mini stallion very successfully for this.

I found the world’s CUTEST teaser pony stallion, who happens to be a 5yo purebred Welsh. He is 11.2h and very well mannered and easy going in spite of being bought out of someone’s backyard.

My mares can’t stand him as far as I have tested the theory. He is not a very “stallion-y” boy (pls refer to “stallion prospect” thread for more info on what that entails) but I figured they would still respond.

I thought maybe it was that none were in heat, but one was in raging heat yesterday at a show, so I tested it today. She pinned her ears and charged the fence. Out of heat? Brought out “real” stallion who simply whinnied once and she is decidedly still in heat.

Any thoughts or ideas? I guess having a nice mild mannered teaser stallion doesn’t work very well in this case. Maybe because he is so small? A bay roan? Too cute?

Any thoughts/ideas appreciated. Didn’t anticipate this one, esp from the one in heat who is a complete hussy.

[rideagoldenpony]

We have Welsh Ponies, and in the past had a mini stallion … and the mares HATED him. Hated. Couldn’t stand him. NEVER EVER showed heat to him.

Maybe mares are just predjudiced against short guys. :lol:

[Kyzteke]

When I first started breeding I realized real quick I needed a stallion of some kind or I’d be spinning my wheels for ever trying to track mares.

So I bought this adorable 41" black Shetland stallion. Looked JUST like a tiny Frisesan! He’d been a breeding stallion for most of his adult life (he was 16 when I got him) – of course with other ponies.

About 1/3 of the mares (mostly my Teke mares) absolutely REFUSED to tease to him. It was like they looked down at him and said “no way this little dude is gonna get the job done…don’t waste my time.”

It can happen…they are not as dumb as we think they are…

[amastrike]

Maybe get him some really tall shoes? :lol:

[Lynnwood]

The vet that does all my mothers repo work breeds APHA’s and has some really nice national champion horses. Including Scotch Bar Tommy. He often stalled the mares in Tommy’s barn and often next too or one stall away from him but in plain sigh, smell , sound.

One of my mothers mares HATED him would even in raging heat pin her ears and squeal and kick her walls if he so much as looked or wuffled in her direction. When teased with a plain no spots fellow she was very into him. Just not a gal that liked spotted men.

[Dressage_Diva333]

I have one mare in particular who will not show ANYTHING to my black stallion (11.3 hands). My black stallion is super easy, and doesn’t really get wound up, so he doubles as a good teaser Anyways, I had been teasing this mare daily for about two weeks. NOTHING. Nada. She does tease to my roan (13.2 hands), but he gets a little more excited. I have this mare in the pasture next to my young horses, which includes a yearling Welsh colt (idk, maybe 11.2 hands?). Friday morning I notice this mare full on teasing to the little guy (who thought he was HOT stuff!), so call vet, get ultrasound scheduled for Saturday morning. She has a 47mm that was changing shape, so she was ready to breed NOW. Get her ready to inseminate, and grab black stallion to collect him. Even with the stallion RIGHT next to her, that darn mare wouldn’t show ANYTHING. NOTHING. Get him collected, breed, and toss her back out in the field. Back to the yearling she goes. rolls eyes

All my other girls, even the BIG Warmbloods tease really well to that black stallion. I have heard of more than a few people though with pony stallions as teasers that the girls wont take seriously, LOL.

[knowthatifly]

We are very lucky to have an old gelding who is courtly and kind. He is 29 and is worth his weight in gold as he never misses an ovulation. We call the vet for an ultrasound based on his behavior. Really amazing. And in the Spring he gets excited to see the new little ones across the fence. Guess he thinks they are his!

[jenm]

Pardon my ignorance, but I have a silly question, since I am uneducated about the whole teasing/breeding protocol.

I come from the opposite world where I’m trying to find ways to control my mare’s heat cycles so she is less of a hussy, etc. Thankfully, I think I finally found a supplement that works.

I board my mare in a mare motel where there is a mix of mares and geldings, and there are definitely more geldings than mares and a handful of the geldings were cut late and some of them even spent time having “fun” as a breeding stud.

When my mare was in her cycle, she would go and flirt with certain geldings, and there was no doubt in my mind based on her behavior that she would have been “happy” to accept any of them as the father of her next child. She also is generally picky about which geldings she will flirt with so I sort of understand the point of this thread. So my question is:

Do teasers always have to be stallions?

[EquusMagnificus]

[QUOTE=jenm;5620245]

Do teasers always have to be stallions?[/QUOTE]

No.:winkgrin:

[exvet]

LOL, the two of the four mares I wanted to breed to this year, hate my stallion. The other two who I have no intention of breeding (to anyone) have no problem teasing to him with 3 acres to separate them. They just hear him trying to tease the others and squatting and urinating happens. I have just now finally bred the two (on the books) simply by timing, palpation and ultrasound because they would not show to my guy at all.

ETA: He is Welsh but he’s far from short at 15 hands, relatively speaking.

[selah]

A neighbor’s mini got out last year…and in with my mares. As soon as I saw/heard him, I knew he must be intact (though one would have to duck under him to see the “jewels”)! My one mare who is a TOTAL hussy for the men, went after him as if to KILL him. I was really afraid I wasn’t going to get him out of that pasture alive, because the little knucklehead was sure he was gonna “get lucky”:rolleyes:

[Erin_Pittman]

We also use a gelding for teasing - not always even the same one. As long as they show some interest in the mare and “talk” to her, it works quite well.

[Signature]

We use a bold gelding that is across the property - he is not super studdy but you can tell by their reaction to him if they are interested or not, and many times they will break down for him if they are in the “desperate” stage. LOL

Easiest of all is just to use Regumate and Lutalyse, or P&E. Then you don’t have to tease and don’t have to worry. We spent a lot of unnecessary vet visits before just trying to use teasing. With the hormones you know when you’ll be breeding, you can control it to a great degree and you can manipulate it so they don’t go over the weekend!

[selah]

So…just wondering…if stallions can be trained to a phantom, and “readied” by letting them smell a cloth with mare-in-estrus urine, could mares be “artificially teased” by a recording of a courting stallion, and stallion scent?

[Kyzteke]

@jenm;5620245

Do teasers always have to be stallions?

Absolutely not.

My current teaser (and I kid you not) – my 10 yr old Hanoverian mare!

She will actually try to mount a mare:eek: in heat!

She’s very accurate…

[crosscreeksh]

We’ve been very successful with teaser ponies. First was a Reg. Welsh and we had him in a paddock adjacent to one of the mare paddocks. He would squeal and tails would fly up!! I only had to look out the kitchen window to plan my breeding schedule!! One mare even squated down and tried every way in the world to get bred…through Diamond mesh fence!!! In NC we had the MOST adorable, steel gray and white painted, 30" mini. He was excellent…and handy!! I’d snap a shank on him and walk him down the center aisle of the mare barn and he’d squeal and the tails would fly. He was well aware of the danger of a hostile mare and if one acted nasty, he’d just skip by her stall!! My repro vet bought him when we moved away!!! This year I have “Dandy” - the rescued pony from the OK ghetto. He is a gelding and not the least studdish, but the mares LOVE him!!! (He’s really cute!!) As payment for his salvation, he now spends time in the mare pasture - with an escape route to safety if there is hostile action - schmoozing with the mares. Very effective so far!! Our 30" Jack does well with the mares that know him, but when we were breeding outside mares they were HORRIFIED by the tiny jack with the BIG BRAY!!! A good teaser is worth his weight in gold!!!

[crownridgefarms]

Kyzteke I have a mare like that too!! Mine is a welsh mare. When she’s in foal she is exactly like a stallion. She mounts the other mares when they are in heat and teases the mares perfectly. The added bonus is they can be turned out with her! haha
I use my small stallion as a teaser for my mares and all are fine with him except my big BRP mare. She can be in full heat and still pin her ears and put up a fuss when he comes to tease her. She will only tease to the stallion I am planning on breeding her to, which is fine with me!

[Kyzteke]

@crownridgefarms;5620882

Kyzteke I have a mare like that too!! Mine is a welsh mare. When she’s in foal she is exactly like a stallion. She mounts the other mares when they are in heat and teases the mares perfectly.

Thank goodness! Here I was thinking I had some weird-do mare!

Funny thing is, she has a good fertility record herself and has never been a problem breeder.

She will tease to a gelding who lives in the next pasture, but in general she is the one who tells me who is in heat – including her half-sister.

It’s a regular twisted reality show here at the ranch…:eek:

[crownridgefarms]

haha I feel your pain. The first time I saw her mount a mare in heat I was driving down the driveway. I almost had a heart attack because I thought one of the stallions had jumped into the paddock with the mares.
It is rather handy though.
She did it last year and she foaled a colt. She had 2010 off and now is due to foal early June this year. She is mounting and acting like a stallion this time around. Did your mare react the same whether it was a filly or colt ?