He has “the eye!” That’s what I was talking about. I loff it! It reminds me of an elephant’s eye!
Robby
You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
I think she`s either free, or a free lease.
Becca
TLE mentioned breeding her mare–certainly she is free to breed to any Tamarack stallion, but I wanted to offer her some information that she appeared not to know about other stallions in the eventing world.
I think that is what this board is all about–helping each other out with information. No one person can know everything–we all have to point each other toward new sources.
Actually, I could point anyone who wanted to know to other stallions with eventing experience (to prelim or intermediate) & in some cases with offspring that have been successful.
An example would be Adamant who sired the top young rider intermediate horse of area II a few years back & has sired other successful eventers. He was a successful eventer himself. Later, Adamant was also used for foxhunting by the owner’s daughters when they were teenagers–while he was an active breeding stallion–now that’s TEMPERAMENT.
Another example would be Salute the Truth. Someone mentioned his awful video–well, I haven’t seen the video but I have seen the stallion & he is nice. I don’t know that he has sired any successful (upper level) offspring yet but he is out there doing prelim himself.
My daughter competed the AWR stallion, Secret Ambition, at training & had expected to move him to prelim this year but he got injured. This stallion has sired relatively few offspring but I can tell you they are dead quiet & talented jumpers. I don’t know if any will get to the upper levels.
Excellent stallions are available all over the US & all over the world.
www.rougelandfarm.com Home of TB stallion Alae Rouge, sire of our filly Rose, ribbon-winner on the line at Dressage at Devon.
No… but if I get serious about breeding Char, he is one at the top of my list. 
Of course I know SO little about breeding that I’d probably end up just sending a tape and still photos to Denny and letting him help me decide who would make a good cross (but I’d hope it was Aberjack or Reputed Testimony!).
If Dressage is a Symphony… Eventing is Rock & Roll!!!
“All’s well that ends with cute E.R. doctors, I always say.” – Buffy
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bonfire:
Thanks, Mark Todd, for your letter about Aberjack and the Aberlou line(posted on the thread about Aberlou photos). Its nice to get some straight talking about this horse, as there has been a great deal of speculation, and even criticism, often coming from people who had not even seen the horse.Im afraid that may be an American trait, to think we`re all experts about everything! Would you ever consider coming to the states to do a clinic, one aspect of which might be a sport horse breeding seminar?
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O.K., What if???
you could breed Cozzene(stud fee, unfortunately, $60,000.) to Fein Cera, and get a COLT!!
This would get you the Caro cross, up close, in a world class racehorse, and the Holsteiner power and jumping ability from the dam.
Or, if you bred Espoir de la Mare to Nufarm Alibi, and got a COLT!!
This would give you the Ibrahim sire line and Aberlou on the dam`s side, and two world class eventers as parents.
Obvious dreaming, but what are some other “what ifs”?
Becca
Gold medals for riding do not necessarily translate to an infallible judgement; the lack of same does not mean the person doesn’t have a good eye. 
I like Aberjack and have lusted after Reputed Testamony since his galloping photo first appeared in the Omnibus. 
I am very pleased that Tamarack has been promoting TB stallions (and stallions under 17 hands!) and I hope more breeders will follow their lead and do the same. It will only improve American breeding.
Looked at pictures of stallion offspring–obviously they think that the best advertising is cute foals but my reaction to that is WHO CARES? Looked at offspring testimonials–Loyal Pal has sired a “nice hunter” & Reputed Testimony has sired a cute foal out of an Appaloosa cross mare . . . WHO CARES? NOT ME!
There is a letter from Blythe Tait about Messiah & Delta. Wow–the kind of achievements I am interested in, but not a hint as to who the sire is.
I am an impatient person. If Denny Emerson or anyone else wants to catch my attention, they better not play games. I want all the facts on the stallion page–his achievements & his offspring, not some cutesy hints.
Greenbean, fill me in because I sure didn’t find the info you mentioned on the website.
www.rougelandfarm.com Home of TB stallion Alae Rouge, sire of our filly Rose, ribbon-winner on the line at Dressage at Devon.
I dont know about Aberjack, but I have sat on a young Loyal Pal youngster and he is something else. Beautiful mover, beautiful jumper, and one of the best temperments I have ever worked with. He is also very intelligent and learns very quickly.
“Some dance to remember,
some dance to forget…”
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maggymay:
Daytime that filly has to be 1/2 TB.
She’s VERY nice, lucky you!
I wish I would hurry up and win the lotto so I can buy my huge breeding farm 
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Thanks Maggymay! I agree with you. I am very lucky. I believe a TB got to the mare at a sale she came through about the time of her breeding date. We figured that based on when Misty was foaled. The only other possibility was a 15:2 hand working (heavy duty) QH stallion owned by the folks who took her to the sale but looking at her…I don’t see any QH traits at all. So if it was a TB then she’s 3/4 TB and 1/4 Conn. I’m hoping for a super event horse when she grows up!
Jeniferkey,
Thanks for the pics of the Erin Go Bragh fillies. They are lovely. The second filly in particular reminds me quite a bit of my mare especially in the head and neck. They are related thru Erin Go Bragh’s sire. Erin Smithereen was Bonnie’s 3rd grandsire (her sire’s great grandsire…confused yet?) If he is throwing “lively” babies than linebreeding back through him might not be wise. I appreciate getting to see them.
“I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.” D.H. Lawrence
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Evalee Hunter:
Another example would be Salute the Truth. Someone mentioned his awful video–well, I haven’t seen the video but I have seen the stallion & he is nice. I don’t know that he has sired any successful (upper level) offspring yet but he is out there doing prelim himself.
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I think Salute the Truth is competing at Intermediate now. I heard he won at Intermediate at a horse trial this summer. I think he was supposed to go Intermediate at Radnor.
My long yearling is from his second season at stud, so he doesn’t have any offspring old enough to be in work yet.
I am pleased with my boy. I see quite a bit of his sire in him. He’s a big (almost 16 hands already) goofy yearling, but very good natured.
I’ve been to see Denny’s stallions and agree with all observations here. Aberjack is not put together very well. Looked like about 3 different horses, but they say he’s very good tempered (although when I saw him he hadn’t started breeding yet, so that may have changed!) and a great jumper. I saw him move and was impressed, but I’ve been told he takes a lot of leg and I prefer a more forward type horse. I didn’t think much of Prussian Blue. I really liked Wintry Oak and Mokhieba best. Decided against Mokhieba because there are a lot of opinions about the temperament he throws, and Wintry Oak just wasn’t a good cross for this particular mare.
I know someone that has an Aberjack weanling, and if I can get ahold of some pictures I’ll post them. It’s a filly out of a quarter horse mare and I have no idea what she looks like, except that the mare was also bay and the baby is chestnut. That was a surprize!
Count me in as another non-fan of Aberjack. Agree that he looks like he’s made from spare parts, don’t like the neck/shoulder that the conformation picture seems to obscure, don’t like the long pasterns. He does, however, come from a very successful line of event horses. I just don’t get what Mark Todd thinks is so great about him; I much prefer Mark Todd’s other stallion, Mayhill, who stands in the UK.
Out of Denny’s stallions, I like Wintry Oak but he is live cover only, which means his semen does not freeze, chill or ship well. He’s also quite small, which I like very much, but this is not everyone’s taste, and a 16+hh horse is an easier sale than something under 16 hh.
Evalee mentioned Catherston Dazzler, so I’m taking the opportunity to blow my own horn as the owner/breeder of Dazzler’s 1st US-born foal. Dazzler is a spectacular stallion – as a young horse, he won all the potential/future/young horse competitions in England in dressage, showjumping and eventing. He won the very competitive showjumping competition as a 5 year-old and again as a 6 year-old. His riders, Malcolm Pyrah and John Whitaker (!), thought he had international SJ talent and tons of scope and elasticity. He racked up a number of points in eventing (after winning the young eventer title) and had a long career as an international dressage horse, competing in GP through age 17.
Dazzler is an own brother (same dam) as the stallion Summersong, who competed with Marie-Christine Duroy in the 1996 Olympics. He’s a half brother (same sire) to Dutch Gold, Jennie Loriston-Clarke’s Olympic dressage horse and a successful eventing sire in his own right. 8 or 9 of Dazzler’s foals have made it to the **** level in eventing.
And with this track record, Dazzler’s stud fee is less than half that of Loyal Pal’s or Aberjack’s, and it’s even less than Reputed Testamony’s.
& what his offspring have done.
If you read my posts, I have NOT knocked any of the Tamarack stallions. & I don’t think JER or Robby has, either, although some other posters were critical of Aberjack’s conformation.
I have read this whole thread & the main negative comments have been directed at the responses gotten to stallion inquiries & the lack of “real” information about the offspring of these stallions.
JER posted this link to Dazzler’s page:
http://www.catherstonstud.net/Stud%20Book%20-%20Dazzler.htm
Apparently, you did not look at it or you would KNOW what he & his offspring have done. There have been long theads about A Fine Romance (Fred) & if you search on his name you can read about his achievements & those of his offspring.
Another stallion I mentioned, Poles Apart, is a TB stallion known as the sire of Steeplechase horses. He is not proven as an event stallion but he is definitely proven as a stallion of TBs who can run & jump (have you ever seen how high steeplechase jumps are??) & he is proven as the sire of sound horses.
I think every (OTHER) stallion recommended on this thread has more to offer, both in terms of the stallion’s own performance & in terms of the performance of the offspring, than any of the Tamarack stallions. You may not like that, but we have all provided the backup evidence for this statement.
www.rougelandfarm.com Home of TB stallion Alae Rouge, sire of our filly Rose, ribbon-winner on the line at Dressage at Devon.
[This message was edited by Evalee Hunter on Oct. 15, 2002 at 07:44 AM.]
In the latest Eventing (UK) magazine, there’s an article on Blyth Tait and Fiona Craig, the woman he does dressage with. They talk a bit about Delta (Aberlou daughter) – I’ll quote from the article:
Fiona Craig: “Delta…was quite difficult because she didn’t have good natural paces.”
Blyth Tait: “Delta was resistant and limited in her movement and had a difficult canter.”
Anyway, I thought this was interesting in light of these discussions. From a mare owner’s POV, I would use this information to check out whether this was something peculiar to Delta or a quality that was consistent in this line of horses. We all know Delta and her relatives could jump the moon but I’d want to know if Aberjack passes on his ‘good paces’ or if Delta’s limitations crop us often.
Likewise, Bruce Davidson said that High-Scope had a ‘downhill’ gallop. This is something that would definitely be a problem for me, especially in a big horse, as I tip the scales at a whopping 110lbs. HS was a son of Touchdown, also sire of Dermott Lennon’s WEG SJ champ, Liscalgot. This is undoubtedly a strong line of horses that can jump, but I’d want to know how prevalent the downhill gallop is (if at all) before breeding to HS.
Before someone jumps in to accuse me of ‘knocking’ anyone, I want to stress that what I’m trying to do is show what sort of information I – as a mare owner – find relevant in searching for a stallion. As others have said here, there is no perfect stallion, just the stallion that you think optimizes your chances of getting the horse you want.
Slightly off topic, but I was just told that a Mrs. Victoria Aksten is looking for a home for a mare by Babamist. Her phone number is 603-487-5009.
I don`t have any other details.
Becca
Yes, there actually are some of us left in this warmblood loving country, and if people who dislike the Thoroughbred want to do so, fine for them. They dont have to be so petty that they smear a good horse publically in print, though. And I would love to hear how their qualifications as horsemen stack up against Mark Todd and the OConnors?
How many gold medals do they have?
Becca
Other than seeing him in his stall and just out hacking, I cannot comment on movement/jump, etc. As someone noted, they withdrew and left before the s/j. But just in the barn he was a dream. Stabled right there with everyone, and no cross behavior whatsoever. (At least nothing out of the ordinary, like defensive/protective instincts at feeding time.) He has what I would describe as a very “wise eye.” His expression seems to denote that he knows a lot more than his years (I think he’s seven or eight) let on. I did speak with Steuart about him and they’re quite pleased with his foals.
Maybe some Area II’ers who watch him go regularly can comment on jump and movement. I would have to give him 4*'s for temperament, though.
Another stallion there who gave an overall lovely impression - particularly in the temperament department - was Darren Chiacchia’s Alherich. I didn’t think he was a phenomenal mover, but certainly not bad by any means. He is gorgeous, though, with a great jump and a hack on the buckle in the midst of hectic warmup mentality.
Robby
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bonfire:
How many advanced event stallions have advanced event babies, and are still fertile, or for that matter, are still alive?
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The best example of that would be Welton Crackerjack (although he just died this past year at the grand age of 28 I believe!) Crackerjack was an advanced event horse who placed at Burghley CCI**** and sired the winners of Burghley, Badminton and Rolex (Welton Greylag, Welton Houdini and Welton Envoy respectively)
So it does happen!
and while he may have been an older stallion these past few years, he was only 19 when Houdini won a 4 star, (and like JER was saying about the Catherston horses), was therefore probably only about 7 or 8 when he sired him and Greylag.
Erin, I was under the impression that non-tbs could be “recorded” with PHR. Is that what you’re talking about?
Never mind. I see what you’re saying. YUCK!! I want a TB registry too!!
If Dressage is a Symphony… Eventing is Rock & Roll!!!
“All’s well that ends with cute E.R. doctors, I always say.” – Buffy
