Just for comparison sake…here’s a picture of her filly at 6 months old. I’ve posted Misty’s picture before here so some of you may remember her as my “mystery foal.” Her sire is unknown and I’d welcome ideas. It’s tough to guess as she looks quite a lot like her mother. She’s now 13:3 at 7.5 months old. She’s not as high behind as this picture makes her look either.
“I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.” D.H. Lawrence
The comments about Delta and her movements…I think it comes from her dam’s side which is standardbred. I have a book of Blyth’s where he discusses this subject.
[This message was edited by KBequestrian on Oct. 12, 2002 at 06:22 PM.]
There was an article in some horse magazine about how Americans are the most sophisticated tv watchers on earth because the most highly talented and savvy and artistic people work for ad agencies and studios, etc. Therefore, this article said something like "if you dont have a FABULOUS video of a horse for sale, its better not to send some amateur job that will turn people off. It went on to say that NOTHING comes close to actually seeing the horse. The same must be true for stallions. Its really hard to breed to some horse that is 3000 miles away, because its usually done either from videos, pictures, or someone`s recommendation, none of which are as good as an actual visit.
How often have any of you had a certain impression of a horse, only to have that impression totally changed, for better or worse, by seeing the horse?
Bonfire
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather:
I refrained from replying to this thread, becasue (disclaimer) my hubsand and I consider Denny and May to be good friends, so I’ll admit to some bias on the topic.
This is hardly the first time it’s come up, and I’m constantly surprised by the thinly veiled jabs at Denny and May that appear. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
and unfortunately Heather, your bias came through overly loud and clear in your post. Too much so I’m afraid. I always enjoy your posts very much, but I can’t help feeling that you have been blinded by your friendship on this one.
I have read this thread with great interest as I am a sporthorse breeding nut, and my overall opinion is that it has been a super thread and in no way coloured with snide, attacking or veiled insults. There are always negative points to every stallion, and the ones that were written here about the Emerson studs were in my opinion clinical rather then emotional. What is wrong with an observer saying what they didn’t like about a stud’s conformation/temperment vs. their mares? That is part of making a breeding decision.
and nothing drives me more nuts than someone claiming that their stallion or any stallion is PERFECT and the RIGHT choice for EVERY mare, because that is ludicrous.
Which brings me to the other point that has been brought up about the “evils” of using an European stallion vs. an American bred one. I think it is far more important to find the good match for your mare rather then worry about whether you are supporting the area where you live - sure the Emerson studs are lovely, but if they are not a good match for your mare, there is no point in breeding to them. Just because they’re not right for one mare doesn’t mean they are suddenly being trashed as bad stallions 
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> originally posted by Rebecca: Yes, there actually are some of us left in this warmblood loving country, and if people who dislike the Thoroughbred want to do so, fine for them. They dont have to be so petty that they smear a good horse publically in print, though. And I would love to hear how their qualifications as horsemen stack up against Mark Todd and the OConnors?
How many gold medals do they have?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rebecca, get a grip. Why does this always come down to tb vs. warmblood? Nobody until YOU even brought that up! And again, there was nothing posted here that could ever be called a smear on the horses.
Frankly it annoys me that posters like JER et al are being attacked for making a sound breeding decision for their mare just because they didn’t use a local TB stud. That is so stupid 
But I must pipe in on this…
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rebecca:
These other stallions that you mention, Robby and Evalee and JER, etc. and that you like. What did they actually do in the ring or on the track?Were they themselves proven athletes at high levels like Loyal Pal and Aberjack? Just wondering why you keep knocking other stallions, if you have something to gain by that, or you`re just venting?
Did the people at Tamarack injure you in some way that makes you carry on so? Have any of you three actually visited that farm? Did they treat you in some terrible way when you went there? Were the stallions that you saw there so badly made or souch terrible movers that it offended you all so profoundly? You certainly can`t leave it alone, can you? Becca<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Easy, killer 
I don’t think ANYONE here has been attacking anyone or being petty. Opinions are what this board is all about and there has been not ONE inappropriate post on this thread…except perhaps for yours. 
— And how did you feel about being denied these Hungry Hippos?
It’s to the owner’s advantage to try to keep the breeder apprised of their offspring’s success - after all, there’s a certain cachet to having a horse with notable ancestors - and you can help those ancestors become notable with your acheivements now!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rebecca:
You know, don’t you, that someone is almost certain to forward this email thread to Mark, and you can imagine how the world’s most renowned horseman is going to feel about your collective judgements about his horse, and how much he is going to resent your disparaging comments about a horse that he admires and loves, and that you have no real knowledge about?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can’t imainge that he’ll care one bit. It’s his horse, he obviously thinks the world of it BUT he stands the horse as a breeding stallion so I’m sure he’s used to people voicing their opinions on the horse’s confirmation and way-of-going. Anyone who has stood studs for any number of years is going to have thicker skin than that!
This WAS a very interesting and informative thread at the beginning. I too thought the one photo I saw of Aberjack was not great, but that’s my sum total knowledge of the horse. I’ve always loved Reputed Testimony and thought of breeding him to my mare so I was interested to hear other’s opinons. Loyap Pal is out of my price range, particularly for a stud w/ no significant competition record for his babies as of yet- too much of a gamble for me at the moment. Catherston Dazzler or a son are on the list too but I am slightly afraid of getting an elephant- all his babies seem so big and the mare is a monster!
I would LOVE to see some baby photos so if we could all stop snipping at each other someone might possibly post some. (please if possible post the mare too- that would be SO helpful, tx)
[This message was edited by maggymay on Oct. 09, 2002 at 08:56 PM.]
Really, I do.
My mare is an OTTB, my outstanding new 7 year-old is an OTTB and I’m trying to find a suitable TB stallion for my next breeding.
But full TBs are not for everyone and especially not for every amateur. I started off eventing with TBxdrafts (3/4 and 7/8) and see the value in the extra real estate. My kid started off on the 7/8ths and now she’s riding the 7 year-old OTTB.
I have to agree with the hotness possibility for his babies.
http://home.flash.net/~centaur1/salehorses/wistypg.html
http://home.flash.net/~centaur1/salehorses/talpapg.html
These are pictures of two of his fillies out of a TB mare. They both are very athletic, but can be a handful. I don’t think they’re really the ‘fun amateur type’, more the move up the levels type.
True, the mare herself isn’t a dead head, but she does a good job as a lesson horse when necessary…
Jennifer
I repeat my question JER, what are your qualifications to knock Aberjack in print? Have you ridden him, like both Mark and Karen O`Connor have, and who rave about him? Have you seen him jump, or be ridden? Have you seen any of his first crop foals in the U.S. this year?Have you seen him do ANYTHING? Have you ever even seen HIM?
Before you can knock the credibility of a horse, or, by association,of the people who own and support him, perhaps it would be a good idea to have valid qualifications to do so. I repeat, how many gold medals do YOU have?
Becca
when I posted this topic I didn’t mean to start arguments between people…It was not originally a controversial topic. I wanted to say how much I love Aberjack…and Blue, and how I feel priviledged to ride them. I just wanted to see a few pictures! Please, keep posting, but let’s calm it down a notch - this is supposed to be a fun topic!
ask Janet
iI think Janets’sister has at least one!:lol:
[QUOTE=Carol Ames;3676876]
iI think Janets’sister has at least one!:lol:[/QUOTE]
This thread is OVER SIX YEARS OLD. I don’t even know if Aberjack is still at stud - & any foal conceived in 2003 would now be four going on five.
[QUOTE=Evalee Hunter;3677194]
This thread is OVER SIX YEARS OLD. I don’t even know if Aberjack is still at stud - & any foal conceived in 2003 would now be four going on five.[/QUOTE]
My Aberjack daughter turned four in July. She was started under saddle at the end of July, cantered under saddle for the first time in mid-August, has hilltopped half-a-dozen times and done a touch of whipping-in, and this weekend schooled cross-country for the first time. Not bad for less than four months under saddle! Water, ditches, banks, she just “gets it.” Great, self-confident mind, wonderful jump, I am having a wonderful time with her. We had a lead into the water jump the first time, and a lead the first time over the ditch, but that’s it, no other leads. Otherwise I just pointed, asked, supported with my leg, and she figured out what was in front of her. We only had one stop (my fault, didn’t give her a good approach) and that is it: schooled all the stadium jumps being used in an event clinic (I rode my prelim horse in the clinic and took the youngster along just to school outside the clinic) and many of the BN and N x-c jumps. She dropped off a 3’ bank the first time perfectly, like she’d been doing if for a decade. Even jumped up and down a small bank in and out of water.
I’m darn glad I bred my mare to Aberjack in 2003 and am looking forward to a lot of fun with his daughter. She is not big, I don’t think she’ll see 16 hands, but she is substantial enough that I don’t feel too big for her (5’11") and she has a great jump and plenty of scope. She makes good decisions, has good instincts, is athletic and wants to please.
And yes, Aberjack is still standing at stud. Denny’s website says he is standing in Southern Pines in 2008. I know Laine Ashker has a gelding by Aberjack that she’s been running prelim with, and I know he’s had some get doing the YEH stuff. Here is a link to pics of Aberjack’s get:
http://www.tamarackhill.com/FOALS/Aber-foals.htm
BFNE has an Aberjack, and Janet’s sister has two. Would love to hear from them or others with updates.
Yes, Gillian’s two fillies by Aberjack out of Sportscar are 4 now.
What do you want to know about them.
yes he is still at stud. I have a mare that turned six this year (in July) out of a TB dam. She did one Prelim this fall and then had a minor injury which ended our season early. We will hopefully do a CCI* next year. Def. has the ability to do ** and perhaps farther (3’6" is very easy for her) She isn’t the fanciest horse I own but she knows her job and is VERY uncomplicated to ride, especially over fences. That said, she is a bit down hill (where her siblings out of the same dam are not…but you never know what side of the family that came from). She is a nice enough mover and decent/good jumper…she becomes an even better jumper when I ride right! And she is a better jumper with bigger fences. She is the closest thing to an ammy ride that I own. She just gets it with jumping. You always feel like she understands the question and knows what to do. Aberjack did add bone and substance to the dam and shortened her top line…and passed on his head (which for this dam was a good thing:)). Unfortunately, she didn’t get ubber fancy movement …her siblings by different sires are extremely fancy movers (as in International caliber)…but her movement is nice enough for an event horse and she is simple enough to ride in dressage that she scores well and is (and will be) very competitive. There is no drama with her. Her personality I describe as a chain smoking biker chick (like her mama)…she’s not a cuddly type 
My mare is about 16.2 and built solid. She does have a touch of an attitude…but I KNOW that comes from the dam…and all her 1/2 siblings have a similar tude!
There is another 4/5 year old that I know out of an I’m A Star dam that has been winning a ton at training level…belongs to Courtney Cooper. Very nice young horse who certainly has the look of a potential top UL horse.
Take the Mick, 4th in Training horse at the AEC this year is out of Aberjack.
I know someone that had two in the barn–full sisters. They were both as described in this thread–confident, unflappable, and just got it at the jumps. Nary a stop or a squirelly fence to be had. One of them, sadly, got injured in the field and the vet initially missed how serious the injury was. Infection set in, blah de blah, and so she’s probably going to have to go be a broodmare. This person and one of her owners though so much of the pair, that they bought the other one to be developed as an UL prospect. My friend, the pro, says she is the easiest horse to train and ride she’s ever dealt with–the only challenge is not doing too much too soon. These two mares were VERY fancy movers. I’m given to understand their Mom was quiet a lovely horse, and Jacko is certainly a lovely mover.
[QUOTE=Janet;3677310]
Yes, Gillian’s two fillies by Aberjack out of Sportscar are 4 now.
What do you want to know about them.[/QUOTE]
I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING about any horses by Aberjack. As I pointed out, this thread was dredged up from who knows where & the person who originally asked the question (over 6 years ago) probably has their answer by now. I did NOT ask any questions about Aberjack, have never asked any questions about Aberjack as far as I remember.
No…by looking at what you posted years ago, I suspect you could care less. But one of the things about this thread…old as it may be…was questioning what he had produced (and you were one of the posters who was questioning that).
Well now, six years later, many of his offspring are old enough that we can actually evaluate what he has produced. And many of his offspring are doing quite well for their age in eventing. My mare would have been at Prelim sooner …but she is stuck with my ammy ass and I took my time with her since she was young and a late baby (and running Prelim at 6 is still young as far as I’m concerned). My trainer liked her so much as well as others that she has seen eventing that she wanted to breed her TB broodmare to him as well. He is a good stallion just like there are many good stallions out there and now he has enough older offspring on the ground and competing that people can more easily evaluate whether he is a good choice for their mare.
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