Martin Black cattle working clinic

Hi folks,

Fillabeana asked that I write in with a quick description of a clinic I took a few weekends ago, in case anyone is looking for some interesting challenges to take on (my favorite sorts of challenges!).

I love getting out and working cows when I get the chance, and learn so much when I do. More than even in a show situation, it gives me a chance to figure out which parts of our training work well, and which parts need improvement. People can argue back and forth about what parts of a dressage test are “correct” and which aren’t until the sun goes down for example, but watching a cow trot off happily back to the herd is a pretty good demonstration that things have gone somewhat awry somewhere!

A few weeks ago I got to spend 3 days working in the sorting/working area at a feed lot west of Airdie AB at a cow working clinic taught by Martin Black. The folks that hosted were really fantastic, and given that they also run an organic bison ranch, the food was pretty much unbeatable as well. Didn’t actually get to work any bison at the clinic, but given what I’ve heard of how that can go, I was okay to stick with regular cattle!

I went in there expecting a bit more of what I’d seen in other similar clinics; namely some quiet herd work, then a bit of cutting, and generally things getting a bit on the exciting side once the dust started to get kicked up. While little glimpses of that did sneak out at appropriate times, I was absolutely floored to see that it was actually going to be my first proper instruction in old world stockmanship.

Martin Black has a background in the buckaroo traditions which fascinate me, but unlike some he was always extremely respectful and helpful when imparting that knowledge (not quite universal with clinicans today, sadly). His focus was on being able to work stock effectively either single-handed or at most with a very small crew, since that’s how he’s generally worked in the past. While Martin can make a great show horse as well, he emphasized many times that being a “good show horse” in his mind is just layering the fashion de jour on top of a solid base of working horse excellence.

My first lesson came in having a fundamental difference between cows and horses reiterated very usefully; where horses tend to discipline each other with their hind legs relatively often, most cows do so with head butts (file that under “seen it lots but never really clued in”). As such, where presenting a hindquarter is quite a threatening move to a horse, cows are much more likely to react to a forequarter or head. To have a horse stare right at a cow in the herd is, to her, like a stranger walking into a bar and pointing a shotgun straight at her…she’s going to be nervous, and pay very close attention, because she’s spent her life avoiding getting head butted.

As such, when most of us walk towards or amongst a herd and wonder why we’re stirring up a lot of trouble, it’s because we’re pointing our horses at the cow we’re looking for. Even when we get one separated out, when we try to hold her steady but make all our turns towards her, we’re like that stranger walking in and waving his shotgun all over the place; tends to make folks duck and run.

Here was the first crack in an old adage I’d heard many times…namely to never turn your horse away from a cow. Martin commented that it’s a good thought to keep in mind for the show pen, but it’s not a bunch of use when working stock calmly, miles from the nearest fence or corral. He often had us approach either obliquely or even with our horse’s tail or hindquarter leading. It might raise the hackles of a dressage instructor to even consider a lateral movement with the hindquarters leading, but it sure works well to move a cow along quietly!

Some of the things we got a good dose of dry instruction on:

  1. can you turn your horse not “on the forehand” or “on the hind”, but forwards or backwards around each and every foot as well? Some combinations of those take a bit of thought (ie, turn backwards around a fore or hind pivot foot), but it’s amazing how handy they end up later on.

  2. having our horse prepared to walk out smartly, but only for a certain pre-dertermined number of paces. Can you walk 10 paces exactly, stopping square on the 10th? Can you then back 4 strides, and smoothly walk forward 6? It’s the first step towards being able to make the tiny movements that may be required later with the cattle. Tindur’s “walk” while in the herd was praised as being a good example of a horse that had a ground covering walk that was available on demand. I was chuffed, but didn’t quite have the heart to mention it was actually usually a tolt lol

  3. can you move backward with the HINDQUARTERS leading the movement? Most people essentially try to pull the forequarters up and over the hind. While I’d always been very happy that Tindur has got to the point where he’s about as free going back as foreward, it turns out I (along with everyone out of both classes) had got this part quite wrong! If you drag 11’s in the dirt when backing up, or your horse drops his hind when backing, you’re not backing up correctly because eventually your horse will hit a wall where he can’t get any faster. Martin was emphatic about the backup being a case where the hinquarters need to be initiating the movment, rather then the horse backing by pushing with it’s forequarter.

Things we got to do with the cows:

  1. Be shown how the art of working out a cow was to move all the other cows away from the one we wanted, rather then playing “mighty hunter” and forcing the one we want out of the herd. Done with finesse, oftentimes the one we wanted ended up all on her own before she even clued in that we were interested in her. Even then, because we hadn’t driven her out, she was very calm when she was alone, and simply looked around wondering where her friends had gone. It was a brain buster for most folks to work the herd FAR more then our target cow.

  2. realize that if the cow trotted, the worst thing we could do in most cases was to speed up to keep ahead of them. Most times we needed to realize that the cow was just responding to the decreasing gap between us, and that turning towards the herd was often better then rushing towards our cow and applying even MORE pressure.

  3. being shown how to turn them towards or away from us, intentionally. To turn them towards, we needed to approach onto their balance point (where they were just as likely to move forward or back), and tip our horse’s nose towards them slightly. That closed the door ahead of the cow, and then a step with the horse’s hindquarter opened the door for the cow to reverse direction towards us. To turn them away, we’d instead bring our horse’s tail to their tail in a haunches in position, sidepass our stirrup to their eye, and the cow would turn away because our horse’s tail was closing the door against a rollback. Here I discovered why I needed a better understanding of half pass in particular! This felt like trying to get inside and outside turns with a liberty horse in the round pen, only our “flag” and feet (my horse) had opinions of their own and the round pen changed shape and orientation depending on where the rest of the herd went!

  4. have the COW take a set number of steps in different directions.

  5. Teach a cow to back up by standing perpendicular to it, then nudging each attempt by the cow to turn one direction or the other using our horse’s head or tail. When they were happy to stand, sidepassing until the cow rocked it’s weight back, when sidepassing directly away, started the movement that eventually led to the cow taking a step back.

  6. having Martin draw a circle in the dirt, then trying to get a cow to stand in it. This was a bit beyond my level, but the advanced group eventually was coached into doing this with groups of three cows using two riders. When those folks were thinking they were getting slick at it, Martin had folks pick out three cows at random, and BY HIMSELF had the three standing in a bucket sized dot within about 5 mins, never really seeming to be in much of a rush to get anything done quickly. Really pretty mind blowing.

Talking to fellow riders at the clinic who manage livestock for a living (there were a bunch), most everyone was just as impressed. I suspect that this level of stockmanship is just as rare as the really amazing examples of horsemanship are. He said that at first it was tricky to find folks willing to lend cows for these sorts of clinics (since traditional cutting-type clinics can be stressful on the cows), but after seeing how he worked them folks now line up to have their cows “trained”! Our lot seemed to agree ”" by day three it wasn’t unusual to see some lying down in the middle of the herd. At any rate, I have a full plate of things to play with for a while yet, and I really had a blast.

Cheers, and have a good weekend folks!

How very fun and mind-blowing! Do you have cows to practice with at home?

I suspect that this level of stockmanship is just as rare as the really amazing examples of horsemanship are.

You got that exactly right!!

Most people handle cattle with good/decent fences and corrals (like you might see at a feedlot or sale barn), by giving the cows a choice between ‘unpleasant’ and ‘pure hell’. The cows will learn, given decent fences and mild cow-temperaments, that 1)they can be compelled to take the path of least resistance and 2)that they would do well to avoid getting themselves in the position to be compelled, in the first place.
So yes, if the team penners or yahoo cutters (not the really outstanding ones) come work your cows, they will end up in a defensive tight bunch, and you will not be able to get one by herself without a fight. Really problematic if you AI breed the heifers, or have to doctor a footrot, later and thus have to get ONE cow to move off where you want her.

Even most experienced cattlemen VERY rarely interact with the cows in a way that shows the cow, she can figure out how to go along with your idea, with no mental pressure on her. The good news, is that there ARE cattlemen out there who have a talent for handling cattle well.

The more we learn about handling cattle this way (husband and I have 30+ years each handling cattle), the less likely we are to want help from other people…who mostly just p!$$ off our cows.
We came from 500 to 1000 or so acre farmland/cowpasture ranches which had 300 cows or so, to a 40,000 acre (mostly BLM and Forest Service land included there) ranch to support the same 300 cows.
We couldn’t handle the cattle the same way we had learned to in the past. The fences on the big ranch were generally just ‘suggestions’, lower, 3 loose-ish wire instead of 5 tight wire fences that we were used to. Put more than just a little bit of pressure, and she’ll go through the fence. We couldn’t anymore put a cow in a situation where to control her, we demonstrated to her that ‘resistance is annoying, and usually futile’. On the smaller, better fenced ranch we would get the cows in the corral just fine, (of course you still can’t chowse the cow too much, they’ll still go through a 5-barbed-wire fence if you upset them enough), but once IN the steel-piping corral, they’d be upset. Handle-able, but they’d leave in a hurry once they got there.

Out here, you try to handle a cow that way, and…sorry. She’s gone. Ask the guy who lives 20 miles away if he finds her with his herd in a few days.

realize that if the cow trotted, the worst thing we could do in most cases was to speed up to keep ahead of them. Most times we needed to realize that the cow was just responding to the decreasing gap between us, and that turning towards the herd was often better then rushing towards our cow and applying even MORE pressure.

There is a place where you can influence a cow. It is right at the border of her ‘flight zone’: move in closer, she goes somewhere. Move out from the border, she begins to ignore you.
Two major tricks: First, the flight zone can, and will change, as things happen. As the cow gets upset, the flight zone gets bigger. And where the cow is, in relation to where she would want to be if you weren’t there, can change her flight zone size.
Second, the most important thing, to me, is to get sort of Harry Whitney with cow working. If you are in just the right place, on the edge of that flight zone, you can put JUST enough pressure on the cow that she will begin looking around for what she might do. You don’t DRIVE her, you direct her thought. When she thinks she might want to go thataway, you just (pfffft) give her a tiny bit more and off she goes. (Most people then stay too close, or start driving the cow, which does not take pressure off the cow.)
Continue directing her thoughts, and the cow learns to search out the answer when you wiggle your flag, she gets a complete release and at some point, the cow just turns loose of her own agenda and there IS no pressure or release, just the cow following your ideas, because they’re HER ideas, too.

It’s beautiful, done right, and the feeling you get watching is like when you’re watching things finally go right on a Ray Hunt or Tom Dorrance video.

And Aktill, I found you a steer to go with Tindur:
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Well, he is right there, as this picture 40 years ago shows.
This was a race bred filly, I was putting on her the seventh ride, teaching her to move a cow and of course, doing it right, you don’t disturb the others, laying behind there.

Now, after a bit, they one at the time did get up and came over to watch closer, making a half circle behind us, also good to teach the filly to stand her ground and focus.:wink:

Working cattle right is so nice, most that work cattle for a living kind of look at team penning and sorting a bit with :eek: , all that chasing!:lol:

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I LOVE Martin Black!! I have audited several clinics of his, some were just horsemanship, others were the cow working. A friend of him rides in them, so several of us just go and audit.

He is just a VERY classy guy. After the clinic, they normally would get pizza. He would hang out w/us. Just a regular, very nice guy. What you see is what he is.

We have been going to his clinics for a few years now. so even though several of us just audit, we get included in whatever is going that night too. Sometimes, we do go out to eat, but hanging around the barn over pizza is prob the most fun. You can mingle more and dont have the background noise to deal with.

I LOVE how he works cattle. Sidepassing is a big thing. Using your horses hindend to hold the cow and the head to hold the herd.

I have done a 5 day cattle boot camp of Mark Schwarm (who I really really like too) and have done what Martin taught, it works. The cows are NOT stressed, in fact, the ones you are not moving, normally just lay down and relax.

I live in Central Illinois, but Martin comes in the Spring and Fall, so I get to watch and learn from him twice a year. He is a great guy!! If you ever get a chance to ride or audit one of his clinics, GO!!!

I bet you had a great time and learned a LOT! Next time I get to go see him is in October :slight_smile: