Maryland 5*

Because it is on CMH. It’s just that there’s an option for some limited use of CMH through your USEF membership- but you’re still watching it on CMH.

I’ll add my voice to those who super miss the old USEF network…

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Are there really only 26 runners in the 5*?

Count me into the group that misses the old USEF network. I can’t reliably log into CMH with my USEF account. It just puts you in an endless circle of log ins. Even if you go through the old USEF network page, you’re screwed if what you want to watch isn’t on the front page of the USEF/CMH options. As soon as you search you’re logged out again. And you can’t log in to CMH with your USEF credentials. How have we not solved this already?

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did you see a draw list posted somewhere? Event Entries has updated the 3* entries…63-ish now for that division…but I still don’t see 5* entries listed

It’s a german company. If you’ve ever dealt with paperwork of any kind in Germany you know that making it unnecessarily complicated and not providing any help at all is just how it’s done and no-one cares at all if you find it inconvenient or hard to navigate. I’m sure if they could they would require you to show up in person on Tuesdays between 10am and 3pm to cancel it.

I’d tell you the story about trying to get bike insurance to pay me back for a bike theft in Berlin but I honestly can’t revisit that episode of my life without needing a drink and a nap afterwards and it’s too early here to drink.

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No. I can’t find a list. Every time I think I have I found one it is for 2023 but then… Ah, no, that’s 2023 again! I find it very odd not to have a list this close to the competition. Maybe they are negotiating appearance fees for European riders, lol

entries are now live https://www.maryland5star.us/cci5-2024-entries/

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23 entries is a pretty low number given you know there will be some withdrawals before. They are not drawing riders from overseas. The only true overseas entries that I see are the Brits. Everyone else is North American based.

They are going to have to do something to get more entries. Even if all 23 run, you will run out of riders long before you get around viewing the XC course.

I also saw the announcement of the US Open. That seems to be throwing around a lot of prize money and it is scheduled for October. How many entries will that pull away from Maryland in the future? I’d love to see Maryland be successful but they are just not getting entries. 2022 had 24 entries, 2023 had 26 entries and 2024 now has 23 entries.

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Entries that low can not be economic. Several of the horses are coming to the end of their competitive careers. The UK based horses are good ones.

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I just don’t get why this event is having such growing pains.

We keep making excuses: new event, covid, the Olympics… but when are they going to start attracting entries? :frowning_face:

Everyone has such positive reviews of it, yet they aren’t showing up.

I’ll be volunteering with the set up every weekend leading up to the event, then in the vet box again XC day.

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Unfortunately with the way the calendar got configured by USEF for the FEI dates…it’s really REALLY hard to qualify new 5* horses…not that it wasn’t always hard…but now the calendar really works against you. There are maybe 6 4L in the whole USA - one being in Montana and 2 on the west coast…7 if you’re generous and throw Bromont in the mix. You need, among other things, two 4L to qualify for a 5*…there are now 4L on the US calendar prior to Kentucky…and Morven is too close to Maryland to be used as a qualifier…and Terra Nova is late in the year…so best case scenario, you get a horse qualified to run a 4L…and you’re looking at at least a year to get those qualifications done…and you’ve got very few bites at the apple so you better hope you don’t have a lost shoe, badly timed abscess, or any of the million stupid things that happen with horses!

Take out of the mix horses entered at Morven in the 4*L…or that did Burghley or are aiming for Pau…and the pool is very very small…

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In my opinion, it’s the American riders who don’t seem to be carrying their weight in terms of entries. There are only 7 U.S. based American riders entered. 9 of the 23 entries (39%) are based in the UK or Europe.

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I know it’s still a relatively new event but I’m concerned about it attracting enough spectators to be viable long term. Personally I really enjoy attending. I’m just wondering how many non-local spectators will travel, pay for lodging, etc. given the small number of entries. As someone stated above, the 5* very well might be over before you can walk the entire course and see action everywhere on XC day. The 3* is great but it’s not the 5*. Is there still time for the entry list to grow?

I agree. We are missing so many names who are regulars at the level.

Some of them are between horses, but others have been off doing other things when they could have been aiming for this event. I don’t understand why Maryland isn’t becoming more of a priority or a destination as Kentucky is… or maybe it’s just my perception and it’s all just bad timing and coincidence.

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I always feel conflicted about lower entries in a 5*. It’s kind of what we’ve been asking for, right? Not pushing horses to 5* when they’re not ready just to do a 5*. Maryland (and also Morven and Kentucky 4*S), added options that I think allow people to slow down a bit.

I really do wish there were more 5* entries- BUT, for the sake of positivity because I think we could all use that right now, it IS a quality field… it’s just not a deep field. The top 15 ish horses here would be at the top end of any 5*. I’m glad the 3* is very well attended- most spectators I hope will barely notice.

Maybe a few more will trickle in but, if not, I think it’s still going to be a seriously good competition.

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There are hardly any 5* riders in North America any more. Look at how many used to contest Kentucky in the 80s and 90s vs now.

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There is such a push for the Americans to go to a 5* overseas…so they do. There are only so many combinations to go around. We either want them to get their education overseas or we want them at Kentucky/MD. …can’t have both.

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There are quite a few American riders not entered: Doug Payne, Lauren Nicholson, Phillip Dutton, Will Faudree, Will Coleman, Sharon White, Lillian Heard come to mind.

many of them are going to Pau. Why Pau over Maryland? Must be good reasons to pay that kind of money to ship horses to France over just sticking in the US and doing Maryland.

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@Jealoushe Given the large cost of sending a horse overseas, why PAU 5* should be preferable to Maryland 5* is a very good question. Pau is often seen to be “easier” and a good 5* starter course, which might be a factor. And how many Americans stayed in Europe after Burghley? The UK riders, on the other hand, enjoy the American experience and the prize money which far exceeds that of UK Eventing.

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