Maybe everyone knows this but me . . .handler error

Background: I have had Bob a year – there has been lots of fun and learning about each other. Monday, I learned something --or maybe relearned something –

Bob loads. Bob self-loads. I have 10 years of video showing how well Bob loads (each of his four previous owners made videos when each decided to sell Bob specifically showing how well he loads).

Bob loads great --until he doesn’t.

Now when I first got Bob, he self-loaded pretty well --then about two months after that, he suddenly stopped self loading. He got to be difficult to load to the point where I did actually drug him one time to load him (it was going to be him or my husband because they were both extremely agitated --I didn’t know the dosage of ACE for a human, so Bob was drugged and 20 min later, loaded beautifully).

After that, I went on YouTube and watched a bunch of loading videos --Ty Evan’s loading video resonated with me, and I spent a couple of weeks daily hooking my trailer and loading, and unloading Bob.

Ty’s method worked perfectly.

Ty’s mantra is: You don’t have a loading problem, you have a go forward [on cue] problem. His sentiment was the trailer really isn’t the issue, it’s that your horse doesn’t go forward on cue.

His solution, that worked super for me working with Bob is to “apply pressure” until horse takes one step forward then STOP --stop pulling, tapping, stop everything. Anytime the horse doesn’t take a step forward, apply pressure (in Ty’s videos pressure is a flick on the horse’s side with the end of a lead rope -flick, flick, flick --until horse takes one step forward. Stop. [handler stands with left hand on a loose lead, body across from the shoulder, flicked rope with right hand, behind the “drive line.”]

As I said, that worked super and after a couple of days Bob was loading and unloading great --but we kept the lesson up for quite a few days since I had the time and equipment to do so. We also worked on standing quietly in the trailer and unloading on command.

All good --probably loaded and unloaded Bob 50-100 times since then.

Two weeks ago, Bob got sticky loading --he eventually would load, but not the easy peasy way he had been doing at all.

For some reason: my age maybe --I completely forgot to do “Ty’s Method,” and reverted back to yanking, pulling, bribing, getting someone to tap his hocks --all the stuff I’d done before that did not work.

After six times of struggling to load Bob --I thought, hummm, wonder if I forgot something in the Ty Evan’s loading video --watched it again --and there it was!

I didn’t have a loading problem, I had a “go forward” problem.

Went out Monday and put on the rope halter, picked up the end of the 17’ lead, asked Bob to go forward (he blew me off) and I tap-tap-tap. Bob went backwards, sideways, sideways the other way and (I kept tap-tap-tap) and THEN Bob took one step forward. I stopped, I looked at clouds, birds, meditated on the trouble in the world . . .then I asked Bob for one step forward. He took one step and I stopped, looked at clouds . . .etc.

We kept this up until Bob self loaded 5 times. Not always on the first ask --but really much better by the end.

So well, that by the end of our training time, I was “bounce loading” Bob —loaded him, backed him, then when his hind feet touched the ground, reloaded him. Long pauses and rests in between, but it reenforces the “go forward” cue.

So my point is that maybe if there’s a set-back in the horse-rider relationship, maybe it isn’t the horse being “bad” or stubborn --maybe it’s the handler forgetting a basic lesson: When you get the correct response --STOP THE PRESSURE.

Sorry, Bob --I’ll try to do better.

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Excellent points and something everyone should keep in mind…

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Have your trailer checked. A friends horse did this, and it turned out there was an issue with the ground and he was getting a mild shock when he was on the trailer. Trailer fixed, problem gone

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Good point. I agree on getting trailer checked. I have also heard about this…that a horse quits loading because of an “issue” with the trailer.

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Agree with this. Or changes to soundness that makes the vibrations in the trailer less tolerable.

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I hadn’t thought about having the trailer checked for electric issue --on the other hand, I haul three other horses --one other horse with him most of the time, and none of the others have changed their behavior.

As to soundness, I ride Bob 5 out of six days a week --nothing grueling --mostly walk-trot as in this weather both my rings are either muddy or rock hard. Some days we just do in-hand work.

Bob has always been an anxious hauler --unless he’s with another horse. When I first hauled him (very first time) he came out of the trailer in a white lather --since then he’s become increasingly more chill about hauling and now, except for pawing occasionally (he wears bracelets and my trailer is heavily padded as my last horse was a paw-er too). In talking with previous owners, to the last, they said he was fine in the trailer, but all said he was always hauled with another horse as they were mostly using him as a husband horse on trail rides.

I talked to my trainer about it and she asked the head trainer (he hauls cross country about once a year and weekly to shows). He said few horses love the trailer. Trailers are noisy and confining. He said Bob would gradually adjust to hauling as he became used to my trailer and my driving.

As I said, Bob has become more chill to the point where I, after a year, felt comfortable leaving him alone in the trailer while I stopped for a burger and coke on the road.

Again, I think the error initially was mine --trying to force Bob into the trailer --five times --completely reenforced his “I don’t want to” attitude. As soon as I remembered how to “release pressure with one step forward” --the entire problem quickly resolved itself.

And something I don’t say too often because it makes me eye roll when others say it about their horses --Bob is very smart in the sense that he quickly catches on to a new skill (either he’s smart or I am a really good trainer myself!). We went from 0 steps side passing to a perfect 12 step (over a jump pole) side pass in less than 10 days of working up from one correct step to doing the whole thing perfectly.

The next problem I had was Bob wanted to side pass every time we rode by a ground pole! He is so eager to please! The last two weeks we have actually be working on NOT doing maneuvers like side passing, backing, roll backs, flying changes —instead, when we come to an obstacle, Bob is asked to stop and do nothing. Nothing. Nothing. This has been hard for him --but he’s caught on. Now he is once again waiting to be asked to side pass, back, roll back, etc --but trainer said (I see her monthly) to stop working on skills every time I ride. Do three or four days in a row when all I ask Bob to do is stand quietly.

Yesterday, we were done with our practice time and going to the barn to take off equipment to do in-hand work —I asked Bob to stop as we we walked through the gate --he did but he was so EAGER to GO because he knew we were headed to the barn . . .

Well --I’ll check that trailer for electric problem --meanwhile, COTH rocks because where else can I babble on about my smart horse?

And a pix of Bob in warmer weather playing with cows –

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I have one that we had problems with. I finally hooked a long line to him and tied it in the trailer, four horse slant. I then went away for a few minutes. Came back he was in the trailer eating hay.

He is a nervous horse and just needed space. We have worked it out better now and he loads fairly easily but I do have to use the long line but can stay nearby.

It’s always the human fault.

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Also check for soundness of the floor. The story I heard about loading problem ended with finding a rotten floor board where the horse was standing.

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THIS
The TB I had for 20yrs was an excellent loader.
With a background as a Pony for H/W track trainers for 4+yrs, nothing less expected when I got him as a 6yo.
We’d use him to get reluctant ones loaded.
See? Vern got on, you can too
On everything from 12h semis to a borrowed 2h so small it literally left an impression from the butt bar.
Then we got a brand new trailer - 2h straightload BP, aluminum w/ramp - & got my 1st ever Nope.
I’ll spare you the woesome(word?) tale of all that was tried to get him to load :roll_eyes:
50% of the time he was fine, the other 50%… :persevere:
What finally clicked for me was the time I was left alone to load TB & DH’s horse for the haul home from a weekend clinic.
Literally everyone else was gone, including hosts.
DH had generously offered to drive the clinician to the airport.
TB decided today was a Nope & my level of angst rose in proportion.
In hindsight, I could have waited for DH to return.
What I finally did do, was relax “give up hope” so to speak.
Standing with horse at the end of the ramp, gave a huge mental shrug…
& Horse walked right on.
After that, I always gave myself waaaaaay more time to load than needed so I could avoid telegraphing my frustration to the horse.
Better to arrive somewhere early than send tension - mine & horse’s - skyhigh trying to hurry loading.

All that said :roll_eyes:
I agree check the trailer, even ride in it yourself, to see if something is going on that might make it unpleasant for Bob to get on.
They’re such Good Souls, they will do what they know we want, even if it’s uncomfortable or distressing for them.

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Trailer is Merhow 2022. DH is a car-guy so maintenance is above excellent. DH has 25 semis that he sends for maintenance–my trailer is in the mix and is checked out and tires rotated twice a year. Trailer has its own designated wash bay and is hosed out and washed after every use(occasionally causing my doors to freeze shut! ). We hose and wash under mats. DH worries about me hauling alone–checks my tire pressure every time I hook up and has total over kill on my hitches (sway bars and stabilizers on a two horse BP). I will ask him to check the electric–but I don’t think that’s the issue based on how my other horses load.

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Wow, lucky you!

And Bob is lovely :heart:

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I’ve seen one horse out of a herd of many have an issue with low stray voltage coming off a deicer in a water trough, a few times. It’s always kind of tough to figure out because you expect they’ll all be upset by it, but that’s not always the case.

So just to say, just because other horses are okay, that doesn’t mean there’s not something external to the horse that isn’t okay that’s the driver, whether that’s some stray voltage or something else weird about the trailer.

Something that’s always stuck with me from the good ol rec.eq days is:

“If they lead, they load.”

Tom Ivers said it, maybe? Bill Kambic? I don’t remember, one of those guys who were group regulars.

But it boils down what you’ve found – a horse that leads, really truly leads and goes forward and stops when you want – loads, too.

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@Dr_Doolittle I appreciate the time each took to respond to my --"human error’ post.

—DH is a hardworking guy and I am tremendously fortunate he takes my hobby and my little two horse trailer’s safety to heart. Of all the possible reasons why Bob wouldn’t load a few times --trailer failure --nice rhyme there --was the least of my concerns. Sometimes DH over does --like when he carefully washed my trailer and the next AM I missed a hunt because all my doors were frozen shut --but overall, I appreciate the time he takes to make sure as much as he can that I am safe on the road. He sees a lot of accidents in his line of work --and wants to make sure as best he can, I am not in one of them.

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Like poor driving.

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:heart:

Totally understand.

I have spoken before about a stallion I had. This horse made me a believer that horses could read minds. Before I got this horse, I thought this “touchy-feely” horse stuff was all woo-woo. Nope. That stallion could read my question marks…Cue the cartoon image with a big question mark over my head.

And if my brain went there, then the stallion decided since I had no clue, then he better decide…and I usually found myself bucked off.

I finally found myself consciously telling self that I was not going to the Olympics…at least not that week…so I better just chill out, develop geater self-awareness and understand why the horse was reacting as it was.

That horse taught me more than any human ever did…I miss him terribly.

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