Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

However, her comment in court was why can’t we just tell RG and LK and the father that we are evicting you and you must leave because no one has.

Precisely. Nobody has said “we are evicting you.” Eviction is a legal process. Not the same as “nobody has asked you to leave.” Very very important difference.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

Ruin her ability to compete at FEI through his friends at USEF and sent a complaint to SafeSport.

How could he “ruin her ability to compete?” A SafeSport claim was filed based on her behaviour and actions. She is responsible for that behaviour, nobody else.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

ekat and @lazaret, on today’s filing on the last page under Certification, the sentence that says “this matter is still under investigation” what does that refer to? Thanks!

That whole paragraph under certification was not changed from the original answer back in Feb 2020. At that time, I would guess that line, that ends with “by the undersigned” meant Mr Deininger was still investigating the claims. I imagine he still is investigating things.

[3PonyFarm]

Thank you! I was confused by it!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@3PonyFarm

ekat and @lazaret, on today’s filing on the last page under Certification, the sentence that says “this matter is still under investigation” what does that refer to? Thanks!

That whole paragraph under certification was not changed from the original answer back in Feb 2020. At that time, I would guess that line, that ends with “by the undersigned” meant Mr Deininger was still investigating the claims. I imagine he still is investigating things.

That paragraph also certifies that there is a pending criminal case brought by the state of New Jersey, which would have been true in Feb 2020.

Is the criminal case considered to be pending until he is released from psychiatric supervision, or is that a mistake in editing?

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

That paragraph also certifies that there is a pending criminal case brought by the state of New Jersey, which would have been true in Feb 2020.

@ekat

That whole paragraph under certification was not changed from the original answer back in Feb 2020. At that time, I would guess that line, that ends with “by the undersigned” meant Mr Deininger was still investigating the claims. I imagine he still is investigating things.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Is the criminal case considered to be pending until he is released from psychiatric supervision, or is that a mistake in editing?

Not “a mistake in editing.” The amended answer/counterclaim isn’t about editing, and the certification isn’t necessarily something one would amend.

[skydy]

@Sdel

Or that Daddio has said more than once that she would possibly train under him again….

If Deininger has proof that IM is JK, then that post was a very big mistake on JK’s part.

[MHM]

@skydy

@Sdel

Or that Daddio has said more than once that she would possibly train under him again….

If Deininger has proof that IM is JK, then that post was a very big mistake on JK’s part.

I doubt Mr. D would have included it in the legal paperwork if he had no proof. But I am not a lawyer.

[LexInVA]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

Ruin her ability to compete at FEI through his friends at USEF and sent a complaint to SafeSport.

How could he “ruin her ability to compete?” A SafeSport claim was filed based on her behaviour and actions. She is responsible for that behaviour, nobody else.

Revealing proof of her long-term and continuous use of narcotics, which are banned under FEI rules, would get her banned.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@3PonyFarm

Villages-News: News, photos, events in The Villages, Florida – 24 Jul 22

New York father and son sanctioned in child custody case tied to arrest in…

A father and son, embroiled in a custody case in which the mother faces a criminal charge in Florida’s Friendliest Hometown, have been sanctioned in a New York court in connection with the acrimonious dispute.

Est. reading time: 2 minutes

In this case, a woman is charged with illegally recording her MIL. She was in NJ at the time of the call and her MIL was in FL which is a two party consent state.

It made me wonder if any of the recordings in MB’s case involved a person also in a two party state, such as if he was on the phone with someone that the recording picked up. This woman’s recording wasn’t illegal in NJ since she was a party to the call but since it was not legal in Fl, she was charged.

Okay. So New Jersey has produced more than one bat guano crazy family acting up, and acting out, in court, representing family members, making illegal audio recordings.

Interesting that in this case, the audio recording would have been legal in NJ - because one member of the conversation was aware of it - but this doesn’t apply to Lauren. She made illegal audio recordings where none members of the conversations were aware of the recording, so not the same thing. But at least the State of NJ is spreading the cray cray evenly across its face.

[Knights_Mom]

@Warmblood1

@MHM

@Kitty64

Maybe where you live that is the case. Availability of psych beds can vary widely, as can state law on “holds”. Many years ago psych hospitals were everywhere. I think they’re less common now.

No doubt it’s a different kind of psychiatric facility, but how long did it take for them to find an available bed for MB so that he could get out of jail?

That seemed to take a long time. The whole system seems to be quite overloaded.

The number of forensic psychiatric hospitals are extremely limited in comparison to private. One can usually be admitted inpatient, if not in that local region, same day in private settings.

@Knights_Mom

You know when I read stuff like this it makes me wonder if the actual truth is LK charged him attacking and in response with self defense he shot at her.

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/lauren-kanarek-shooting-michael-barisone-evidence-photos/

Coupled with the fact that the forensics regarding the projection of the bullet showed the firearm being discharged somewhere from the front of the truck to the door of the truck, not the bush.

Just saw @eggbutt’s comments about his phone on the table, too. Good point.

@Maria

So how did Rosie get underneath MB and bite him? Did they fall on Rosie and Rosie bit to get out from under them? I doubt it, every dog I know will scamper out of the way not to be stepped on or fallen on.

Or did Rosie bite MB before the scuffle, which then may have caused the rest of the story?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

If only Rosie could talk.

Poor Rosie.

I agree - well, except poor the poor Rosie part. Rosie seems nasty. Most dogs will not full fledge bite in an altercation, let alone continue to bite over and over. Pretty aggressive and a huge liability to have on your farm. Also a good reason to carry a firearm.

So what this tells us is that LK has several differing versions of the event. This happens when someone lies. No surprise as LK testified thatvshe lies. Which is why she cannot be believed in anything she says. Predictably, the criminal jury noticed this as well.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

John Hinckley is now a free man.

Yes. He was found NGRI in June 1982 and was unconditionally released in June 2022.

Do you consider his NGRI verdict in June 1982 an exoneration?

Yup. He was exonerated due to insanity.

[MHM]

@LexInVA

Revealing proof of her long-term and continuous use of narcotics, which are banned under FEI rules, would get her banned.

Only if she actually, you know, got to the FEI level.

[3PonyFarm]

Yes, this situation isn’t quite the same but it made me wonder if MB happened to be on a call with someone who was in a two party state and recordings captured the phone call. The SOL has probably expired if it did but in the case in the article, the woman was charged with a felony and sent to a detention center. Florida at least takes this very seriously. The family in the article, I wonder if they made a judge made and everyone got charged with something.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

@eggbutt

Until any of the jurors go public with what went on while deliberating, no one has any idea if jury nullification applies in this case. Discussing this would be going down a deep rabbit hole since no jurors have spoken publicly to date.

Plenty of people here have stated that they think the jury only came to NGRI because they wanted to make sure Michael got help with his mental health issues. It’s been stated many, many times in these threads. It’s only become a problem now that someone is asking them to really think about whether that is the good thing they have been implying it is.

Please don’t misinterpret our non answer to you to mean what you think it does. This has been discussed already. No one wants to go down this rabbit hole further.

You do you but we don’t have to follow.

I for one have zero interest in having the conversation you want. That doesn’t mean you’re right.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Well I hope he doesn’t do it again. I hope he uses the law to its fullest extent from now on

What do you hope for LK and RG? Do you hope they follow the law in all that they do too?

[MHM]

Yay again! Chef’s kiss.

[MHM]

[Fiesta01]

PSA: Just letting everyone know that the ignore function gets easier to use with practice. I’ve just added another name just to ensure I remembered how to do it.

@lazaret and our other law professionals: Thanks so much for your patience and expertise. It is greatly appreciated!

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

Ruin her ability to compete at FEI through his friends at USEF and sent a complaint to SafeSport.

How could he “ruin her ability to compete?” A SafeSport claim was filed based on her behaviour and actions. She is responsible for that behaviour, nobody else.

27:02 in the transcript. Text read by MHG in court from MB to her. “I’m going to get her a lifetime ban as a competitor.”

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 2 - Mary Gray - Defendant's Girlfriend