Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

In deciding whether to take LK on or not, MB would have considered the private marginal cost to him, not the social marginal cost, and compared the private marginal cost incurred by him to the marginal revenue of taking her on as a client

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[Warmblood1]

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

The original agreement was for 1 or 2 horses, and if I’m not mistaken, for an apartment for just LK. It also appears certain expectations for Guy’s work was never met when he was brought into the equation to cover costs for a different horse. I believe they originally negotiated a certain agreement and that agreement was never met. I also do not think MB ever anticipated to deal with someone like LK. I think most of us like to believe these types of people aren’t possible.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

MB was threatened.

Yes, LK threatened not to come to NJ and train with him unless he offered the use of the apartment. Maybe she was bluffing.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

You didn’t answer my question about marginal social costs.

In deciding whether to take LK on or not, MB would have considered the private marginal cost to him, not the social marginal cost, and compared the private marginal cost incurred by him to the marginal revenue of taking her on as a client.

Had LK been a normal client without intent to ruin his livelihood, business and life, which she has admitted to, and had stuck with the original agreement of 1-2 to horses and not 4, I’m certain MB’s original business model would have worked just fine.

[Graymaresrule]

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

I think he agreed to board 2 horses. Then the apartment was added, then more horses with no additional compensation

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

You didn’t answer my question about marginal social costs.

In deciding whether to take LK on or not, MB would have considered the private marginal cost to him, not the social marginal cost, and compared the private marginal cost incurred by him to the marginal revenue of taking her on as a client.

Had LK been a normal client without intent to ruin his livelihood, business and life, which she has admitted to, and had stuck with the original agreement of 1-2 to horses and not 4, I’m certain MB’s original business model would have worked just fine.

MB apparently agreed to terms for the additional two horses, and the terms were non standard, unwritten agreements, apparently. I agree that if he had required an additional $2,500
for each additional horse it would have been much cleaner and easier to unravel when they wanted to end the training relationship.

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

Let’s be generous and say MB made $200 a month after all said and done by boarding and training 4 horses with LK.

I don’t know anything about his lesson rates, but I think it’s safe to say he could have made up that $200 by teaching a couple of lessons in one day. Or one morning. Maybe one hour.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Graymaresrule

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

I think he agreed to board 2 horses. Then the apartment was added, then more horses with no additional compensation

Renovation work in exchange for one additional horse; lump sum payment for Jay-T.

Maybe not a good deal, definitely not a clean, well specified, written contract, but there was definitely additional compensation involved.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

MB was threatened.

Yes, LK threatened not to come to NJ and train with him unless he offered the use of the apartment. Maybe she was bluffing.

Wrong.

According to sworn statements filed in court JK threatened MB.

According to LKs Mein Clomp… I mean her manifesto, LK “heavily” negotiated it and the apartment. MB felt forced and acquiesced. Hindsight says he shouldn’t have.

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

I don’t know anything about his lesson rates, but I think it’s safe to say he could have made up that $200 by teaching a couple of lessons in one day. Or one morning. Maybe one hour

Iirc a clinic session, private lesson of around an hour was more than that, way back when I knew people riding in them.

[jvanrens]

@lazaret

Mine (bless him) could not even tell the difference between my new, 17h, dark bay holsteiner with two socks and a snip, and my 16h Pinto oldenburg. This would be like looking in a garage and seeing a neon green Jeep Wrangler and a black ferrari and saying “why did you get two of the same car??”

I love him dearly, but even I was like honey, you’re going to need to get better at this.

Too funny! He really is clueless isn’t he? My DH has been in horses longer than I have, Standardbreds, so he’s really good at telling bays apart. If I wanted to go horse shopping, he’d know in a second if I had a new one if he was stabled at the same farm as I am.

[BatCoach]

Hon, this has already been pointed out to you months ago, but I guess you need a refresher.

Since you are such an @Inigo-montoya fangirl maybe you like his “alternative facts” but the rest of us just see it as puffery and lies.

My favorite bit was the good bit of snark you threw in at the end there. Gotta give it some YD style flair right?

As @Knights_Mom said, you got caught with your pants down, and you didn’t like it, so you threw in a cheap shot. Thanks for showing us who you are

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB apparently agreed to terms for the additional two horses, and the terms were non standard, unwritten agreements, apparently. I agree that if he had required an additional $2,500
for each additional horse it would have been much cleaner and easier to unravel when they wanted to end the training relationship.

Is this as factual as your statement about the police report?

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Graymaresrule

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

I think he agreed to board 2 horses. Then the apartment was added, then more horses with no additional compensation

Renovation work in exchange for one additional horse; lump sum payment for Jay-T.

Maybe not a good deal, definitely not a clean, well specified, written contract, but there was definitely additional compensation involved.

Please tell us how you know this.

Please tell us how you know RG even did the agreed upon work, and how you know for a fact any amount of money for any horse was paid. Have you seen the check? The wire transfer?

How do you know there was or wasn’t a contract?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

According to LKs Mein Clomp… I mean her manifesto, LK “heavily” negotiated it and the apartment. MB felt forced and acquiesced. Hindsight says he shouldn’t have.

I see nothing wrong for negotiating the terms of your training agreement with a trainer, whether you want to negotiate for use of an apartment or for the 9:00 lesson every day, or for the stall with the nicest run. Anything. MB had the option of saying “no”, and letting her walk.

Threatening to not accept the deal that doesn’t fit whatever parameters you wish to achieve is normal everyday negotiation.

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

Please tell us how you know this.

It is likely as factual as their comment about the police report yesterday.

CH likes to make things up and then put ‘as far as I know’ or such after it so they can play all coy that they never lie.

[Warmblood1]

@BatCoach

Hon, this has already been pointed out to you months ago, but I guess you need a refresher.

Since you are such an @Inigo-montoya fangirl maybe you like his “alternative facts” but the rest of us just see it as puffery and lies.

My favorite bit was the good bit of snark you threw in at the end there. Gotta give it some YD style flair right?

As @Knights_Mom said, you got caught with your pants down, and you didn’t like it, so you threw in a cheap shot. Thanks for showing us who you are

Has anyone received a subpoena from USEF or SS for their COTH identity?

No? Me either.

Maybe JK and KK are just feeling generous and want us all to experience subpoenas, not just them.

And who is this felon IM is referring to? MB, right? But MB isn’t a felon. Hm.

And the fluff about “supporting” a “felon…” This isn’t against any rule book. Guess USEF and SS would have no say in who I support. Wait, IM wrong AGAIN there, too? I didn’t think it possible for IM to be wrong, let alone about so many things.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Graymaresrule

@Jealoushe

It’s hard to understand why anyone would enter into an agreement to board all these horses at a financial loss if that were the case. I wonder why MB ever agreed to this arrangement which appears to be a horrible financial decision based on the posts here.

I think he agreed to board 2 horses. Then the apartment was added, then more horses with no additional compensation

Renovation work in exchange for one additional horse; lump sum payment for Jay-T.

Maybe not a good deal, definitely not a clean, well specified, written contract, but there was definitely additional compensation involved.

How do you know what the actual terms of the sale was? You are clinging to what HH claims are fantastical claims being made by LK and heavily investing in one side’s SM, who admits they lie.

There is a whole other side. The only discussion in the trial was what was actually paid. I wonder what MB was actually asking may have been different. LK wasn’t paying full rate for board, so she may not have paid the full asking price for Jay-T either.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BatCoach

Hon, this has already been pointed out to you months ago, but I guess you need a refresher.

Since you are such an @Inigo-montoya fangirl maybe you like his “alternative facts” but the rest of us just see it as puffery and lies.

My favorite bit was the good bit of snark you threw in at the end there. Gotta give it some YD style flair right?

As @Knights_Mom said, you got caught with your pants down, and you didn’t like it, so you threw in a cheap shot. Thanks for showing us who you are

Thanks for the refresher on @FitzE trying to say IM lied by pretending that she didn’t notice the sarcasm when IM said he had no inside information. I had forgotten who it was that made that ridiculous claim.

I don’t consider the use of sarcasm as lying. I sometimes use sarcasm myself.

I agree that that post of mine did contain a bit of snark. I’ve been trying to cut down on snarky responses.

[RHdobes563]

@hut-ho78

@Ambitious_Kate

@hut-ho78

MHG made it very clear that she and MB worked together but she was not a part of MBD. She had her own clients that paid her directly. She did not contribute to MB’s finances. She was not paid by him. She did not pay board for her 8-9 horses. She did not pay rent. She is separate from his business. Whether or not she told LK to stay or go when LK’s verbal arrangement was with MB may have been good advice or an outburst in anger or frustration but it was not binding.

To say otherwise drags her right back into the legal continuation of a nightmare experience for her and her children. It may be that she would have ended up being in charge of everything at HH while MB went back to giving clinics and showing but they had not progressed to that point yet by her own testimony. She has moved on with her life and successful competitive career. Why keep harping about her role in MB’s business dealing with LK? It does not help him to say that MHG was in a power position with MBD to tell LK officially to leave. Instead, it pulls MHG back in after she has carefully distanced herself. How do y’all not see that?

It doesn’t matter! Its none of your business! what the fruitbat is your obsession with MHG? The only one obsessed with MHG is Lauren Kanarek, and apparently you and CH, so give it a rest! I has no bearing on anything! It has no bearing on her behaviour, its just her excuse to act out, it was none of her business what MB"s marriage, divorce, girlfriend business arrangements were, it was none of her freaking business, and its none of your freaking business!!! It doesn’t matter who said what, they all wanted her gone, off the property for their personal reasons. Its not your concern, its nobody’s concern. Get a grip! Stop promoting her toxic manure about MHG, it was none of her freaking concern. Get it? Do you even remotely get it? Can you even for a minute stop yourself? Just stop.

Days of people posting about MHG and you choose to say the above to me on my post above? Did you even read my post? I really like the use of all the exclamation points on a post telling someone else to get a grip.

@Rubyroo has an excellent point of none of this being anyone else’s business.

How many times have you defended the shooting victim’s privacy? Her family’s privacy?

Look to yourself.

Well, if LK hadn’t made an appearance HERE to tell “her story” herself, and if her parents KK (Seeker1) and JK (IM), too, I imagine that these threads would not have as many posts. In fact, I think it would be highly likely that there would have been only ONE thread with updates, if the Kanarek Klan had stayed off of COTH.

As the constant harping to the ‘money issues’ that MB might have had…

I have a friend who CONSTANTLY talks about ‘how much something costs’, ‘all these expenses happening at once’, etc. I KNOW, and she will ADMIT that she HAS the money to cover any normal expense and has money for “emergencies”, too. However, at one time decades ago, she worked as a nurses’ aide (you(g) know how much THEY get paid) and lived in a garage that had been converted to an apartment. Following that, she was unemployed for two years, had to get food stamps and welfare, so she is Very Sensitive, maybe too much, to financial issues.

Now I don’t know marginal/average cost issues, and many people have tried to explain how the finances at HH worked. For me, who likes to think in simple terms, I offer this:

LK got a deal. Say that the board for everyone, including LK, was $2500 per horse per month. The “deal” was the included apartment. MHG testified that 8 or 9 of the horses were hers. She testified that there was room for 40-45 horses. Let’s use 45. Let’s say it costs the same amount to feed all of the horses so the profit margin on them is the same.

Deduct the no-board-being-paid for MHG’s horses (although I suspect she was paying for ‘feed’ but not ‘space’ if this is true) and LK’s two horses if she left, and you get 35 horses. Multiply 35 horses times $2500 = $87,500.

From what has been said/written, people were leaving the barn due to the toxic situation that LK and RG created. Which is the greater loss for MB? LK’s $5000 or $87,500 generated by the rest of the clients? To me, the answer is obvious.