Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

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@Sdel

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And Officer Hensley took charge of him from Officer Heymer and Officer Wurtemberg and did a more thorough search, found the magazine, and read him his rights.

Still doesn’t explain how it got there. Someone rendered unconscious twice would be vulnerable to having someone who was standing over them stuff their pockets. I don’t recall the magazines were fingerprinted? Or the box of bullets? Or the inside of the safe? Maybe they didn’t mention it because the wrong prints were on them? Can anyone point to any evidence that actually excluded anyone but MB/RC from handling the gun/magazine/safe or directly placed the gun in MB’s hand on that day? It wasn’t even in his hand when the officer found it…it was beside a severely broken arm. Is it reasonable to believe that MB could have stayed in control of a gun with a broken arm to the extent it was, and stayed in position of laying on top of it and the arm? He’d be defenseless from RG in that position. And LK said he broke RG’s hand while he was trying to get the gun from underneath MB……a man with a broken dominant arm, on his belly with the arm beneath him managed to break someone’s hand. I doubt it.

Seriously? You are still trying to sing that tired song? What a stretch. He had the gun from RC. It was in his safe with the full magazine and the magazine with 2-3 bullets and the dummy magazine and the box it came in. Plus, there was a separate box of ammo someone else brought that only fit RC’s gun.

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@Ambitious_Kate

Telling people you are going to do serve them, sue them, call the police, geta a subpoena, is close to threatening and harrassment, until you actually do it. To serve her with an eviction was one thing; to taunt her about it days before it happened was something else and not cool.

I agree with this sentence. Thank you for posting it.

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@Ambitious_Kate

@erinmeri

As for the whole bit of testimony about the “why can’t we just tell her she’s being evicted” text. 1) key word WAS evicted, 2) Bilinkas did try to elaborate on that (IMHO a bit clumsily, I would have really hammered home on evicted vs asked to leave) and the supposed fact that she WAS asked, by several people - but 3) Taylor shot him down which led to angry sidebar and line of questioning was dropped because Taylor wouldn’t allow it.

I am certain the reason he didn’t want MHG or anyone else to tell her she was being evicted was because he knew that was going to open a can of worms once she was served with a legal eviction. He knew she was going to be served and would have wanted the lawyer and the legal papers to do the informing. Telling people you are going to do serve them, sue them, call the police, geta a subpoena, is close to threatening and harrassment, until you actually do it. To serve her with an eviction was one thing; to taunt her about it days before it happened was something else and not cool. You ask someone to leave, you negotiate with them to leave, these things he did. If you are going to serve an eviction, get an attorney and serve it. He had given her plenty of warning, plenty of time to leave, plenty of options to relocate her horses, and the eviction was something he was doing, so if anyone was going to talke about an eviction it should be he and/or his attorney.

I recently found my natural parents, both deceased, but found I have a sister and brother, both physicians, and my daughter, a 40 year old adult, is beside herself with excitement. She wants to write to my sister and blah blah blah, and I had to tell her, no, its not her place, that I hadn’t contacted her myself, and didn’t know her feelings about the situation yet, etc. Please close and affected by a situation can want to step in and say things, like my daughter “What are you waiting for, lets call her, lets call her together”. And I think of my sister saying, no, I don’t want to overwhelm her, its my issue, my circumstance to address, at this point. I dont’ know if that’s a similar idea or not, but it comes to mind when I hear about MHG wanting to know why we don’t just tell her she’s getting the legal eviction, now.

It wasn’t anyone’s place to tell LK she was being evicted except MB’s attorney. Completely normal. Many times landlords don’t tell people they are legall evicting them, they ask for their rent, give the deadlines, work with the tenants as best they can, or can’t, then hire attorneys who do the contacting because they know how to handle these things. And ther’es a difference between telling someone to leave and a legal eviction. You tell someone to leave and try to make arrangements for them, as Michael was doing with JK, you let them know they have to leave, and when they won’t, you evict them.

The whole fam damly can aske her to leave, tell her she’s not wanted, tell her to get out, but delivering a legal eviction should be the job of the attorney, and the Sherriff, and Michael I am sure did not want that whole process to be flubbed. So no, no one can just go “tell” her she’s being evicted. Let the attorney handle it, now, would have been his response.

Actually, I agree with your entire post. Best of luck with your situation.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@erinmeri

have been wracking my brain to find a pop culture touchstone for someone who just repeats themselves over and over in order to get their point across to no end. Which is odd, because I feel like when it happens here it is so familiar. It must exist somewhere in our pop culture vernacular! But I do feel like we are in an awful loop. It isn’t Dory… it’s much more calculated. Le sigh.

I think…I think… its a Jeff Goldblum rant - might be on Independence Day - when they are thinking of using nuclear weapons on board the plane, - he just rants and overpeaks, no, you can’t launch nuclear weapons, end of life as we know it, nuclear winter, you can’t do it, it can’t be done, it can’t be allowed…starting at about 00:51

Independence Day/Best scene/Roland Emmerich/Bill Pullman/Jeff Goldblum/Judd...

[Joanne]

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That’s all you got?

Bring it.

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@Warmblood1

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@Jenerationx

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However active shooters were stopped.

No. MB was not an active shooter. You either don’t know the definition or are intentionally posting a falsehood over and over.

It was called over the radio as an active shooter.

How do you know this? Where can you listen to the radio communication?

It doesn’t even make sense with how the 911 call went with LK. She did not say there was an active shooter, or that someone had a gun and was still trying to kill multiple people - she said she had been shot in the heart/chest, and that MB shot her. It would be radioed in as shots fired, unknown if the shooter still has a weapon. They are going to treat the scene as if someone is still actively shooting, but that is not what an “active shooter” means.

An active shooter is someone attempting to murder multiple people in a confined, public setting. This is not the case and has been explained over and over.

Heymer and Wurtemberg and Bailey all testified they responded to an active shooter radio call. No one knows what MB would have done if RG not stopped him.

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@BigMama1

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The people involved are nothing alike. However active shooters were stopped. Just because you don’t approve of the entire life of RG does not change that he stopped an active shooter.

Remember how someone helpfully posted the FBI’s definition of “active shooter?” The term does not apply in this situation.

Because he was stopped.

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@Ambitious_Kate

@MHM

Hadn’t LK already made some comment about not paying MB another penny? That sounds like she wasn’t paying rent by then anyway.

And who knows, maybe he had to wait until she hadn’t paid him anything for say, I’m making it up, 60 days, or something before he could legally evict. Maybe that wasn’t the basis for his eviction, maybe he wanted to rehab the house, take it off the market, sell it, there was no lease, so he could get her out under some kind of tenancy laws, but who knows what the legal point was. He also probably didn’t want to give her a legal eviction on her record, making it nearly impossible for her to ever get a rental again, and it looks like her father may have known this and tried to negotiate her leaving as in her best interest at that point. But she woulnd’t go. Daddy failed. MB failed. She wouldn’t leave. She ran everyone else out of the house, and sat there in it, a ruined torn apart house she wouldn’t leave, wouldn’t pay for, and her boyfriend wouldn’t fix. Whatever agreement they had for her being their she blew up. Whatever agreement they had for her leaving she snubbed. She was getting evicted.

There is a 3 day emergency eviction for bad acting tenants. Disorderly conduct is one of the reasons it can be used. LK’s behavior sounds like it was well past disorderly conduct.

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@BatCoach

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And Officer Hensley took charge of him from Officer Heymer and Officer Wurtemberg and did a more thorough search, found the magazine, and read him his rights.

So…. Poor police work. It’s a pretty shoddy pat-down that misses a full gun magazine.

Well yes but he was trying to watch RG chase Rosie and compress LK’s bleeding out bullet holes with one hand at the same time he was holding a gun on MB. Wurtemberg testified to this when he arrived about 2 minutes after Heymer.

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@Ambitious_Kate

If so, it would have been months later, and I doubt it. You can’t do that if there is old scar tissue, and she would have alot of scar tissue from the first surgery, so likely there will be no more implants for Lauren.

Yes it is possible to attempt implants with lots of scar tissue and damaged skin. Women who have mastectomies and radiation attempt it often. It doesn’t always work.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@hut-ho78

There is a 3 day emergency eviction for bad acting tenants. Disorderly conduct is one of the reasons it can be used. LK’s behavior sounds like it was well past disorderly conduct.

If that’s so, in NJ, then it would be a good use of that. Pretty clear behaviour shenannigans.

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@Omgitsme

Sometimes I feel like I came out of the womb saying “y’all”

I’ve been saying y’all the whole time. No one thought anything of it until today.

Oops. Just used the “I’ve been saying” term too instead of “I’ve said.”

[Ambitious_Kate]

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Well yes but he was trying to watch RG chase Rosie and compress LK’s bleeding out bullet holes with one hand at the same time he was holding a gun on Heymer. Wurtemberg testified to this when he arrived about 2 minutes after Heymer.

Um, not holding a gun on Heymer, was he? When the cops got there, wasn’t he on top of MB? I never heard anything about RG holding a hand on her wounds. That’s a first for me.

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@Ambitious_Kate

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Well yes but he was trying to watch RG chase Rosie and compress LK’s bleeding out bullet holes with one hand at the same time he was holding a gun on Heymer. Wurtemberg testified to this when he arrived about 2 minutes after Heymer.

Um, not holding a gun on Heymer, was he? When the cops got there, wasn’t he on top of MB? I never heard anything about RG holding a hand on her wounds. That’s a first for me.

The criticism was Heymer should have found the magazine. I was talking about Heymer trying to do 3 things at one time.

[Jenerationx]

That’s incorrect.

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@Ambitious_Kate

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There is a 3 day emergency eviction for bad acting tenants. Disorderly conduct is one of the reasons it can be used. LK’s behavior sounds like it was well past disorderly conduct.

If that’s so, in NJ, then it would be a good use of that. Pretty clear behaviour shenannigans.

grnds_for_evicti_bulltin.pdf

[BatCoach]

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Well yes but he was trying to watch RG chase Rosie and compress LK’s bleeding out bullet holes with one hand at the same time he was holding a gun on Heymer. Wurtemberg testified to this when he arrived about 2 minutes after Heymer.
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I think you mean “holding a gun on MB?”

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Thanks

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Mass shootings and active shooters: why definitions matter