Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Jealoushe]

@trubandloki

Could it be that the prosecution did not want to charge their main witness with making illegal recordings?

I think Michael’s counter suit does count as a suit about the illegal recordings, no?

That would be a totally separate charge though and could easily be a different prosecutor.

I’m not sure if his does, I’m not legal enough to understand the filings completely.

[Jealoushe]

Deleted to correct, I had the wrong acronyms.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

I thought we went over this and there was actual agreement that her evidence of a plot was knowing of discussions “to get rid of her” which before the shooting looked very benign but after she was shot twice with a gun imported from out of state )which could have been sent back out of state with the owner had the police not timely rushed the scene and secured the weapon) could certainly be construed to have a much more sinister meaning

Wait… What??

[Sdel]

Oh, and there was a FB post about being able to watch them trying to scurry around to their cars to try to have a conversation. Something that wouldn’t have been possible from the house.

[AbbyGRP]

That’s not how it works. A party to the conversation taking place has to consent to being recorded. LK was not a party to that conversation. Thus, no consent from the actual participants. Suspecting you are being recorded is not consent to being recorded.

[Sdel]

@Jealoushe

If RC knew they were being recorded then the law does not apply, from what that blog says anyways.

She bragged about recording that conversation after the shooting. RC was not aware she was being recorded. It’s also the same post where she brags about the forensics teams could “hear your whispering”. Nice try.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

If RC knew they were being recorded then the law does not apply, from what that blog says anyways

You are aware that RC testified after the recording were made and after the sm posts about the recordings therefore what you’re suggesting is not logical.

@Sdel

Yes, and she (LK) specifically said she (LK) had recordings of the conversation between RC and MB about the gun on FB. I believe RC also testified to the general conditions of where that conversation took place. It was not in front of the locker and no one else was around. Bragged multiple times on FB that her (LK) recorders (plural) were never found.

[Jealoushe]

@Sdel

Nice try.

There is literally no need for these snarky comments to me.

I thought the poster wrote RG. I see now it was RC. My mistake

Everyone put your pitchforks away.

[Sdel]

@Jealoushe

I thought the poster wrote RG. I see now it was RC.

Just going to call BS here since your post included “RC” not RG. You can see it in my Quote.

[Jealoushe]

I thought the poster said RG, corrected now.

[Jealoushe]

Sdel, Don’t call me a liar. I was thinking it was ROB when I wrote RC. Simple mistake. If I thought it was RC I wouldn’t be correcting myself now.

[Sdel]

@Jealoushe

Sdel, Don’t call me a liar. I was thinking it was ROB when I wrote RC. Simple mistake. If I thought it was RC I wouldn’t be correcting myself now.

This makes no sense. It was my post you responded to, so I know the context. It makes no sense for you to have gone back and even make additional posts to declare you deleted/edited a post that said RC back to RC.

[Jealoushe]

Once I realized your post was about Ruth and not Rob, I removed my comment because it was no longer applicable. That is all. It’s not uncommon for people to mix up acronyms on forums.

[Warmblood1]

@Jealoushe

Could it be that there are recordings but they determined they weren’t “illegal” and that’s why no charges/suit?

LK posted on FB several threats to RC about how she would get RC jail time over what was supposedly said in the recordings. I think it there weren’t legal issues with the recordings, they would have been delivered on a silver platter already. Why would LK make all of these threats regarding the recordings and then the entire K party refuses to hand them over? It doesn’t make any sense.

Not to mention that several people at the barn did not consent to being recorded. The status of them seems pretty clear to me. Expectation of privacy could be argued but it’s been said that conversations made in private were then posted to social media. We also looked at the layout of the barn and where her locker was located versus where conversation were had in private. To me there would be no way a recorder in a locker could pick up the private conversations in the locations they were had.

Fortunately, there are ways to test a recording device’s abilities and prove whether or not that specific recorder could pick up noise in whatever location.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

Not to mention that several people at the barn did not consent to being recorded. The status of them seems pretty clear to me. Expectation of privacy could be argued but it’s been said that conversations made in private were then posted to social media. We also looked at the layout of the barn and where her locker was located versus where conversation were had in private.

Seriously, does anyone really believe that anyone at the barn would be having such conversations within earshot of RG/LK in order for things to be caught on his recorder?

[hut-ho78]

I agree. She should have left although it has not been established if she had the economic autonomy to do so.

He should not have shot her.

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

The expectation of privacy is key in this. To me, a locker room open to several people, boarders, visitors, employees, contractors, etc. of which only two may be in a private conservation is not a place one would expect privacy. You may think differently. It’s what will happen in the court that matters.

And Michael’s office? Should he not have an expectation of privacy in there? Or do you really believe that a recorder placed in Lauren’s locker could magically record a phone call taking place in the office behind closed doors?

I don’t think there were any recorders in his office that were not on a person.

We may find out differently later but right now, I think there was barn gossip and recorders on persons and maybe a recorder in the locker area.

I have said and still say I don’t think LK and RG could get into and out of the office unseen. Even with people at a show, staff and owners are in and out.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@Mondo

She TOLD THE POLICE she had recordings of a plot and the cops did NOTHING about it.

Yes, and she specifically said she had recordings of the conversation between RC and MB about the gun on FB. I believe RC also testified to the general conditions of where that conversation took place. It was not in front of the locker and no one else was around. Bragged multiple times on FB that her recorders (plural) were never found.

Hard to find something that never existed.

[hut-ho78]

@AbbyGRP

That’s not how it works. A party to the conversation taking place has to consent to being recorded. LK was not a party to that conversation. Thus, no consent from the actual participants. Suspecting you are being recorded is not consent to being recorded.

New Jersey is a one party state plus recordings in places where privacy is not expected.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78

I don’t think there were any recorders in his office that were not on a person.

LK stated that MHG, MB and RC were all plotting her murder and she had this recorded. It’s been documented multiple times by LK online. So according to you, they are plotting this murder with LK standing in the office, recorder in pocket, present for the conversation? That makes zero sense.

And yes, LK absolutely talked about the recordings on FB. I’ve seen the posts as well. She threatened RC with jail time over what was said in the recordings. There is no need for you to outright lie about the existence of the FB posts and state they do not exist.

Also, it’s going to be hard to argue that a private barn on private property is a public space but I guess that’s one more thing you will be disappointed about regarding the civil trial. There are also ways to prove a recorder’s capabilities and whether or not they can record something from a certain distance. Facts have never bode well for LK.