Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

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@Sdel

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At one point the prosecutor asked a question if the phones could have been moved to keep them dry prior to Bailey marking their location. The answer was yes.

He did no such thing. He asked him if that was the location he found them in, yes, if he put plastic bags over them, or placed the item into a plastic bag, to keep them dry…which the answer was yes. They looked at phones and then they moved on to LK’s clothes. Upon cross the defense confirmed the white phone on the table was Michael’s and then nobody brought up phones on redirect. And no testimony that he interviewed any officer on scene that said they moved them or identify an original position of any phone.

ETA: Defense asked if those phones under the umbrella (LK/RG’s) were photographed in the exact location in which they were found. Answer correct. I’ve relistened three times today. No one suggested the phones were not in their original positions.

Pardon me. Schellhorn said it himself in his closing argument.

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 11 - Prosecution Closing Argument

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@erinmeri

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Oh right. What LK says. She who must be believed only when she is incriminating herself but not when she says anything else. /s.

Oh right, and you, the person who believes the words of said liar when it serves you but not when it doesn’t is the arbiter of truth. /s

Really? The jury? The judges? The prosecutor? LE? All the people y’all say are wrong and lying and stupid?

Yes, I have run into a bad judge and a bad LE sergeant. However, I’ve found it to be the exception, not the norm.

[BatCoach]

But that emergency escape can be a window - it does not have to be a door. So very possible that those basement bedrooms had escape windows- very very common.

[Knights_Mom]

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@trubandloki

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@trubandloki

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@trubandloki

Last I checked making illegal recordings is not overly lawful either…
But some how you manage to justify those as being OK.

Do you at least admit now that there are stairs out of the basement even though you have insisted every way you can that there are not stairs out of the basement?

I agree that making illegal recordings is unlawful. What I do not agree with is the assumption that there were illegal recordings made. There may be. There may be legal recordings. That has yet to be determined.

Except Lauren admits that they are illegal sometimes…

I would assume that she has a better idea of them being illegal than you do.

Oh right. What LK says. She who must be believed only when she is incriminating herself but not when she says anything else. /s.

LK, troubled though she may be, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and annoyed the wrong person. If MB could shoot a client, he could shoot anyone on that property. He was very dangerous.

If you let people live on your property as tenants and board horses, then you run the business professionally and hope hay and feed and shavings costs don’t go up astronomically while your clients are getting laid off from their jobs. You quietly as possible get rid of what one poster calls the TBIH trainer or the coke head or nasty gossiper that hurts the environment so the others can stay. You do not shoot your clients. He was insane at the time. He is getting treatment now and working the steps. He needs to complete them so the judge can let him out.

No one is evil in this situation, just damaged and fragile and he was dangerous. As he continues to prove he is no longer a danger to himself of others and works the steps that are required for a release, he will likely be out soon. It was a bad mix with a horrible, tragic outcome.

I still can’t believe some of y’all are tormenting LK and her family this way and continuing to buttress MB’s delusions.

No empathy for mental health issues whatsoever.

Your knowledge about recordings is about as accurate as your knowledge about exterior stairs from the basement. No worries. We get it. You have an unending desire to look at Lauren in a good light.

Wrong. All of it but especially it must be acknowledged that LK did evil things.

Not even debatable.

IMHO

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@hut-ho78

LK, troubled though she may be, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and annoyed the wrong person. If MB could shoot a client, he could shoot anyone on that property. He was very dangerous.

If you let people live on your property as tenants and board horses, then you run the business professionally and hope hay and feed and shavings costs don’t go up astronomically while your clients are getting laid off from their jobs. You quietly as possible get rid of what one poster calls the TBIH trainer or the coke head or nasty gossiper that hurts the environment so the others can stay. You do not shoot your clients. He was insane at the time. He is getting treatment now and working the steps. He needs to complete them so the judge can let him out.

No one is evil in this situation, just damaged and fragile and he was dangerous. As he continues to prove he is no longer a danger to himself of others and works the steps that are required for a release, he will likely be out soon. It was a bad mix with a horrible, tragic outcome.

I still can’t believe some of y’all are tormenting LK and her family this way and continuing to buttress MB’s delusions.

No empathy for mental health issues whatsoever.

Your knowledge about recordings is about as accurate as your knowledge about exterior stairs from the basement. No worries. We get it. You have an unending desire to look at Lauren in a good light.

You’ve really crossed a line with this post. If I were to tear it apart line by line and tell you exactly what I think of this absurd post, I would be banned. I am close to fury reading this ridiculous piece of work. You disgrace yourself with your lack of logic, common sense, reason, facts, ability to comprehend what others are saying, and are being deliberate in provocation and argument. Obtuse is a word that comes to mind. Pathetic.

Why are you posting here?? What do you have to prove to whom?

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So if all was ok in the basement, why was the house only approved as a two family house-1st floor one and second floor two and the fire marshals, specifically Lopez, testified that they inspected the basement in the house first to make sure no one was living there. No one was at time.

[erinmeri]

@hut-ho78

LK, troubled though she may be, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and annoyed the wrong person. If MB could shoot a client, he could shoot anyone on that property. He was very dangerous.

If you let people live on your property as tenants and board horses, then you run the business professionally and hope hay and feed and shavings costs don’t go up astronomically while your clients are getting laid off from their jobs. You quietly as possible get rid of what one poster calls the TBIH trainer or the coke head or nasty gossiper that hurts the environment so the others can stay. You do not shoot your clients. He was insane at the time. He is getting treatment now and working the steps. He needs to complete them so the judge can let him out.

No one is evil in this situation, just damaged and fragile and he was dangerous. As he continues to prove he is no longer a danger to himself of others and works the steps that are required for a release, he will likely be out soon. It was a bad mix with a horrible, tragic outcome.

I still can’t believe some of y’all are tormenting LK and her family this way and continuing to buttress MB’s delusions.

No empathy for mental health issues whatsoever.

Your knowledge about recordings is about as accurate as your knowledge about exterior stairs from the basement. No worries. We get it. You have an unending desire to look at Lauren in a good light

I find stable flies, horse flies, and green heads annoying. I find cockroaches annoying, I find trash pandas cute but annoying. To try and construe Lauren Kanarek’s behavior as merely “annoying” is inherently disingenuous.

Furthermore, Lauren was not merely in the “wrong place at the wrong time”. To say so is to be ignorant. She literally testified under oath that she wanted to take him down. She was no innocent bystander.

And yet you paint her as such with your words, while describing Barisone as dangerous to everyone else. That is not apparent based on testimony and fact. It’s inflammatory, and you know it.

I still can’t believe that you’re characterizing people wanting to get to the bottom of this as “tormenting” or that you can even type what you do with a straight face.

I don’t “support Barisone” at all - he could be a criminal mastermind. But clearly Lauren is a piece of work. And me saying so doesn’t make me evil.

[Sdel]

I hope Barisone has subpoenaed her information from CotH to rule out if she is somehow connected to this debacle. If he has, I hope he’ll be able to sue her for defamation.

[MHM]

It must have been really bad if that poster deleted it!

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@jvanrens

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@Sdel

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@Sdel

When the second officer arrived he testified RG was running around the yard, for minutes, chasing after the dog, behind the gravel pile, (where there is a pond). He wasn’t completely focused on RG at the moment.

The look on the officers face immediately after testifying that RG was partially in the residence so he partially came out of the residence…held for a long minute too.

That was officer Wurtemberg, the second to arrive on scene, who testified that he never took his eyes off of RG and that RG never went all the way into the house, that he leaned in just to put the dog inside the door.

No, he testified that he wasn’t paying close attention to RG, he was focused on what was going on with LK and MB.

Late to this party, busy work day and all. But he testified that when he arrived there was a man chasing a small dog around…so who knows? He also sounded like he was too busy to be keeping an eye on superman for the first few minutes getting the go-bag etc.

At 12:21 during cross examination he is asked by the defense if he lost sight of RG at any time and he said “no, I did not.”
https://youtu.be/pyBo2yg0Eow

Listen closer at around 9:50 when he says “there was a man to my right chasing a small dog around” who he identifies as Robert Goodwin. So RG was running around unobserved for a few minutes chasing Rosie before he got there.

Edited to clarify.

1-2 minutes

[erinmeri]

@MHM

It must have been really bad if that poster deleted it!

Hope somebody got a screenshot!

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@trubandloki

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@trubandloki

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@trubandloki

Last I checked making illegal recordings is not overly lawful either…
But some how you manage to justify those as being OK.

Do you at least admit now that there are stairs out of the basement even though you have insisted every way you can that there are not stairs out of the basement?

I agree that making illegal recordings is unlawful. What I do not agree with is the assumption that there were illegal recordings made. There may be. There may be legal recordings. That has yet to be determined.

Except Lauren admits that they are illegal sometimes…

I would assume that she has a better idea of them being illegal than you do.

Oh right. What LK says. She who must be believed only when she is incriminating herself but not when she says anything else. /s.

Your knowledge about recordings is about as accurate as your knowledge about exterior stairs from the basement. No worries. We get it. You have an unending desire to look at Lauren in a good light.

Deleted and edited to remove a paragraph of @trubandloki’s from my post. Sorry about that trubandloki. I am not sure how I was that clumsy.

LK, troubled though she may be, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and annoyed the wrong person. If MB could shoot a client, he could shoot anyone on that property. He was very dangerous.

If you let people live on your property as tenants and board horses, then you run the business professionally and hope hay and feed and shavings costs don’t go up astronomically while your clients are getting laid off from their jobs. You quietly as possible get rid of what one poster calls the TBIH trainer or the coke head or nasty gossiper that hurts the environment so the others can stay. You do not shoot your clients. He was insane at the time. He is getting treatment now and working the steps. He needs to complete them so the judge can let him out.

No one is evil in this situation, just damaged and fragile and he was dangerous. As he continues to prove he is no longer a danger to himself of others and works the steps that are required for a release, he will likely be out soon. It was a bad mix with a horrible, tragic outcome.

I still can’t believe some of y’all are tormenting LK and her family this way and continuing to buttress MB’s delusions.

No empathy for mental health issues whatsoever.

[MHM]

If so, please send it to me. Lol.

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@erinmeri

@MHM

It must have been really bad if that poster deleted it!

Hope somebody got a screenshot!

It’s back below. I messed up and mixed up trubandloki’s paragraphs with mine. Fixed it. Now you can go back to the fake outrage.

[BatCoach]

Well the fire marshal also allowed LK back in via an email and failed to notify the property owner so I don’t think he is the most by-the-book official.

Plenty of homes have bedrooms in the basement. Just because the there 3 stories doesn’t not make it 3 separate residences. Maybe the working students were fine sharing a kitchen with the main floor.

My guess is the the basement got the most water damage from the burst pipe so it TEMPORARILY was deemed inhabitable.

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@MHM

If so, please send it to me. Lol.

Yes, I also need a screenshot of that post. I’m shocked that quoting it didn’t keep it for me.

[Sdel]

Closing arguments isn’t testimony. It’s the prosecutions narrative of what they think they proved.

[erinmeri]

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Deleted and edited to remove a paragraph of @trubandloki’s from my post. Sorry about that trubandloki. I am not sure how I was that clumsy.

LK, troubled though she may be, was in the wrong place at the wrong time and annoyed the wrong person. If MB could shoot a client, he could shoot anyone on that property. He was very dangerous.

If you let people live on your property as tenants and board horses, then you run the business professionally and hope hay and feed and shavings costs don’t go up astronomically while your clients are getting laid off from their jobs. You quietly as possible get rid of what one poster calls the TBIH trainer or the coke head or nasty gossiper that hurts the environment so the others can stay. You do not shoot your clients. He was insane at the time. He is getting treatment now and working the steps. He needs to complete them so the judge can let him out.

No one is evil in this situation, just damaged and fragile and he was dangerous. As he continues to prove he is no longer a danger to himself of others and works the steps that are required for a release, he will likely be out soon. It was a bad mix with a horrible, tragic outcome.

I still can’t believe some of y’all are tormenting LK and her family this way and continuing to buttress MB’s delusions.

No empathy for mental health issues whatsoever.

Are you legit copying and pasting? Seems so! Also… At what point do you just tap out? Please stop trying to paint Lauren Kanarek as someone who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That simply isn’t true. Even those I know who think Barsisone belongs in jail don’t think that’s true. Exhausting.p

[MHM]

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@MHM

If so, please send it to me. Lol.

Yes, I also need a screenshot of that post. I’m shocked that quoting it didn’t keep it for me.

Nope, that’s the value of the screenshot.

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@hut-ho78

Now you can go back to the fake outrage.

No, the outrage clearly is not faked.

It is very clear you have an agenda to support and defend Lauren and her actions and keep her on the consummate victim pedestal as your idol. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you defend this woman.

You have been asked and told to prove your statements and you ignore those demands. You are tiresome and becoming loathsome to some.