Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

Last I checked making illegal recordings is not overly lawful either…
But some how you manage to justify those as being OK.

Do you at least admit now that there are stairs out of the basement even though you have insisted every way you can that there are not stairs out of the basement?

I agree that making illegal recordings is unlawful. What I do not agree with is the assumption that there were illegal recordings made. There may be. There may be legal recordings. That has yet to be determined.

Except Lauren admits that they are illegal sometimes…

I would assume that she has a better idea of them being illegal than you do.

Oh right. What LK says. She who must be believed only when she is incriminating herself but not when she says anything else. /s.

Your knowledge about recordings is about as accurate as your knowledge about exterior stairs from the basement. No worries. We get it. You have an unending desire to look at Lauren in a good light.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Until after Hurricane Sandy.

Existing structures are grandfathered in. So depends on when code was changed as opposed to when work was initially done.

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

@CurrentlyHorseless, read the line above what you bolded. Repairs of existing.

I am still waiting for info about the police report that you claimed to have read and posted about that we are all pretty sure you have never seen.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Until after Hurricane Sandy.

Existing structures are grandfathered in. So depends on when code was changed as opposed to when work was initially done.

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

@CurrentlyHorseless, read the line above what you bolded. Repairs of existing.

I read it, @trubandloki. The bolded is an exception to the grandfathering. It refers to “new sleeping rooms in existing structures”.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Until after Hurricane Sandy.

Existing structures are grandfathered in. So depends on when code was changed as opposed to when work was initially done.

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

@CurrentlyHorseless, read the line above what you bolded. Repairs of existing.

I read it, @trubandloki. The bolded is an exception to the grandfathering. It refers to “new sleeping rooms in existing structures”.

Yes, and existing rooms getting alternations or repairs do not require them. So fixing existing rooms, say after a flood caused by a leaking pipe, does not make you bring it up to code.

Though I am not sure why this is even being discussed over and over again, unless it is just the latest distraction from the truth of what happened there.

Hey, maybe that police report might bring some light to the egress situation too?

[Sdel]

Are you suggesting that you know that MB never had proper permitting for those living accommodations? How would you know that?

The basement living areas were old, under repair, and there is an open debate as to who failed to produce the permitting required to fix them since the leak and RG took over as the hired handy man.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

I think you are right on the face of what you typed, not your intent. It shows MB is not interested in lawful procedures

You’re assuming

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

There may be legal recordings

How would they be legal?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Until after Hurricane Sandy.

Existing structures are grandfathered in. So depends on when code was changed as opposed to when work was initially done.

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

Did you notice the word “new”?

[jvanrens]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

Did you notice the word “new”?

True that.

The house had been moved to the current location, so the new foundation and the outside entrance was likely added then. There’s no way to tell when the rooms were added in the basement, unless you know someone who was on the property at the time. We also have no way to tell if there are windows large enough to use for egress on the other side of the house where I’m assuming the rooms were, unless someone wants to check out the sales pictures, I’m not that energetic this evening.

Obviously with the stairs on the side of the house shown in the pictures, that would be common area to access the rooms, bathroom and upstairs.

Edited to correct were to are in reference to the size of the windows.

[Unfforgettable]

My Christmas wishes:

1. That MB be released from his faux therapy to go home and be able to get some actual therapy, wherein he:
2. Regains his memory of what really happened that day, and that it matches up with the forensics that were not done by inept police, and:
3. The real culprits are charged and convicted, and sent to appropriate “housing” .

[BatCoach]

@Angela_Freda

It would not shock me if the phones were stacked on the table by LE and they just never explained that was not where the phones were actually found.

This is my thinking as well. Its like some younger officer was bored and thought stacking the phones on the table was the best way to preserve them for evidence. Its just SO unnatural.

Think of how many times we put our phones on the table during lunch or dinner - you never stack them together. its just odd.

[MHM]

@BatCoach

Think of how many times we put our phones on the table during lunch or dinner - you never stack them together. its just odd.

Actually… I’ve heard of a practice where people stack their phones when they sit down for a meal in a restaurant, and the first person who touches their phone gets to pick up the check. But I’m guessing that is probably not what happened here.

[erinmeri]

@SierraMist

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

Clearly you didn’t watch the trial, because MHG testified that the “units” in the farmhouse were all accessible from the interior, despite having separate exterior entrances. Apologies if this has been pointed out to you, as I am clearly very behind.

[Sdel]

@BatCoach

@Angela_Freda

It would not shock me if the phones were stacked on the table by LE and they just never explained that was not where the phones were actually found.

This is my thinking as well. Its like some younger officer was bored and thought stacking the phones on the table was the best way to preserve them for evidence. Its just SO unnatural.

Think of how many times we put our phones on the table during lunch or dinner - you never stack them together. its just odd.

So, y’all just think it’s no big deal that the police misrepresented the crime scene and its evidence during their testimony and everyone just went with it? That the original locations of the phones don’t say anything important about where the struggle might have taken place or started?

If the casings had been moved to keep them dry out of the rain to preserve DNA, you wouldn’t have a problem with them being stipulated to their moved locations and their original locations not being testified to?

[erinmeri]

And we should believe you why? Because you went to the Google School of Construction and Building Code?

[erinmeri]

@hut-ho78

ll we know is by the time the crime scene investigator stopped responding as a police officer to a call out for an active shooter and then went back to his real job, that at some point someone put the phone on the table. Whether that someone was initially MB or one of 50 LE lifting it out of the rain and water on the ground, we don’t know.

Wait! I thought you said (multiple times) that LEOs did a fabulous job here. Now you’re implying that one of them tampered with a crime scene? I’m confused.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

Are you suggesting that you know that MB never had proper permitting for those living accommodations? How would you know that?

The basement living areas were old, under repair, and there is an open debate as to who failed to produce the permitting required to fix them since the leak and RG took over as the hired handy man.

Goodness me! Didn’t RG represent himself to being a master renovator?!!! Wouldn’t HE know permits were required? By all means let’s not lay any responsibility at the feet of Lauren and her buddy or family, mkay? /s

[erinmeri]

@hut-ho78

I agree that making illegal recordings is unlawful. What I do not agree with is the assumption that there were illegal recordings made. There may be. There may be legal recordings. That has yet to be determined.

Okay, Jan. Despite multiple people testifying that their private conversations were relayed on social media and text by a third party, and despite Lauren posting here and elsewhere they she planted audio and video recording devices (and reviewed them nightly!!), you maintain that you do not find it plausible or probable that illegal recordings were made? Interesting. And telling!!

[erinmeri]

@hut-ho78

Oh right. What LK says. She who must be believed only when she is incriminating herself but not when she says anything else. /s.

Oh right, and you, the person who believes the words of said liar when it serves you but not when it doesn’t is the arbiter of truth. /s

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom, please read the bolded.

Prior to the flood, do you know when said sleeping rooms were created?