Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[SpicyPRE]

YES!!!

[SpicyPRE]

This is a very interesting discussion of the scene compared against the testimony from the criminal trial. None of it makes sense.

[MHM]

Not unless someone was lying. A lot.

[hut-ho78]

@jvanrens

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

So if all was ok in the basement, why was the house only approved as a two family house-1st floor one and second floor two and the fire marshals, specifically Lopez, testified that they inspected the basement in the house first to make sure no one was living there. No one was at time.

Oh. I so can answer this.
Disclaimer, I do not know any facts about this exact house or its zoning or any of that.

The answer to your question can be zoning or other rules put in place by the location.

I owned a double at one point. It also had a full finished third floor apartment, with all the required egress and everything to meet code. That apartment would make it a three family.
It was in a neighborhood with lots of old houses turned to rental units, some four family, some two family.

What I learned after doing some research was that the town leaders were tired of landlords and rentals so they passed a law (ordinance? code? who knows what the right term is) that there were to be no additional units added. At the time of the new law whatever the house was being used as was all it was allowed to be moving forward. I have no idea why the third floor unit was not counted when this happened but my house was a two family, with an empty third floor apartment.

Not saying this is what happened at HH. I have no idea what the basement was about. I am not really sure what the basement being habitable or not has to do with anything either. I do not get why you keep harping on it like it matters. It kind of seems like the latest distraction technique.

HH wasn’t split as rentals. The basement might have had a kitchenette and bathroom from what I recall, but lots of people have something like that in their basements, often for elderly parents or older children, same with JH’s space upstairs.

According to the nice health inspector, it was officially a duplex.

[Angela_Freda]

@Kitty64

I always wondered why Blinkas didn’t explore that point more. Were the phones tested for blood? They don’t look bloody. I remember way back a conversation on whether rain can wash away blood. Another example of the police not properly examining evidence IMO

Or properly preserving it.

Look, I get that the number of officers tramping around created a “chaotic”, hard to manage, scene.
The point, though, is other forces manage it, and worse.
So its really just a failure, regardless of why, of this force.
.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

DNA I can understand because it’s expensive and takes forever……but fingerprints? That’s ancient forensic tech…I mean we “fingerprinted” ourselves with a pencil and tape in grade school science.

Running DNA is $$$, but collecting it isn’t, is it?
Collect it. If you never need it, don’t process it.
But when the witnesses proved less than reliable, if you had it then you could bolster your case.
If I was related, literally or otherwise, to the victims, I’d be furious.
.

[BatCoach]

@jvanrens

HH wasn’t split as rentals. The basement might have had a kitchenette and bathroom from what I recall, but lots of people have something like that in their basements, often for elderly parents or older children, same with JH’s space upstairs.

Yep - I’ve heard them called “mother in-law” units. IME it’s common to use them for their names use, or rent out as Air BNB etc

[jvanrens]

@hut-ho78

@jvanrens

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

So if all was ok in the basement, why was the house only approved as a two family house-1st floor one and second floor two and the fire marshals, specifically Lopez, testified that they inspected the basement in the house first to make sure no one was living there. No one was at time.

Oh. I so can answer this.
Disclaimer, I do not know any facts about this exact house or its zoning or any of that.

The answer to your question can be zoning or other rules put in place by the location.

I owned a double at one point. It also had a full finished third floor apartment, with all the required egress and everything to meet code. That apartment would make it a three family.
It was in a neighborhood with lots of old houses turned to rental units, some four family, some two family.

What I learned after doing some research was that the town leaders were tired of landlords and rentals so they passed a law (ordinance? code? who knows what the right term is) that there were to be no additional units added. At the time of the new law whatever the house was being used as was all it was allowed to be moving forward. I have no idea why the third floor unit was not counted when this happened but my house was a two family, with an empty third floor apartment.

Not saying this is what happened at HH. I have no idea what the basement was about. I am not really sure what the basement being habitable or not has to do with anything either. I do not get why you keep harping on it like it matters. It kind of seems like the latest distraction technique.

HH wasn’t split as rentals. The basement might have had a kitchenette and bathroom from what I recall, but lots of people have something like that in their basements, often for elderly parents or older children, same with JH’s space upstairs.

According to the nice health inspector, it was officially a duplex.

Care to share a link? Some of us actually have to get some work done today and might not have time to go sifting through all the YouTube videos though fortunately for the moment I have time to breath between emails.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

DNA I can understand because it’s expensive and takes forever……but fingerprints? That’s ancient forensic tech…I mean we “fingerprinted” ourselves with a pencil and tape in grade school science.

Running DNA is $$$, but collecting it isn’t, is it?
Collect it. If you never need it, don’t process it.
But when the witnesses proved less than reliable, if you had it then you could bolster your case.
If I was related, literally or otherwise, to the victims, I’d be furious.
.

Yeaahh, I don’t know why the victim & Co. aren’t upset. They’ve only issued words of praise, IIRC. Some of it understandable because they were able to save a life (LK), but if the crime scene and everything were processed better, and if everything the victims said were to be true, MB could’ve been behind bars for life and a guilty verdict would’ve been more certain.

I do think there’s something a bit off about how it all went down (that 911 call still just feels weird) and perhaps if things were processed better and more thoroughly, something(s) would’ve came to light that would’ve been unfavorable for the certain individuals? Maybe not, but due to their behavior(s) I don’t think it’s totally out there to think that.

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

DNA I can understand because it’s expensive and takes forever……but fingerprints? That’s ancient forensic tech…I mean we “fingerprinted” ourselves with a pencil and tape in grade school science.

Running DNA is $$$, but collecting it isn’t, is it?
Collect it. If you never need it, don’t process it.
But when the witnesses proved less than reliable, if you had it then you could bolster your case.
If I was related, literally or otherwise, to the victims, I’d be furious.
.

The problem is that if you collect it/run it, then there is always the ability to lose control of your narrative. If you don’t, well……

What on earth would this police force have done if they found LK or RG’s fingerprints on the magazine/gun/casing or the inside of the safe? It didn’t fit the poor little woman victim narrative they were trying to fit the case to.

[BrownDerby]

I doubt that Taylor would have permitted Blinkas to pursue it. …Sidebar.

[McGurk]

Just a hint: there is someone posting on this thread who is a legitimate expert in architecture, engineering, building and drafting; who spends their day reading building codes, and reading and drafting blueprints

While building codes may be different in that poster’s state than they are in NJ, I respect their long experience in reading and interpreting building codes.

Another hint: that poster I am referencing is NOT hut-ho78. Or Currently Horseless.

[SpicyPRE]

This doesnt sit well with me as it illustrates that there was a desired outcome. My questions are: 1. was the crime scene investigation incomplete, or 2. the investigation happened and the results did not support the desired outcome. Scenario 1 speaks to incompetence, scenario 2 is much more nefarious.

[avjudge]

@trubandloki

I do agree, since the post number thing has been an issue in the past, it is not logical to tell someone to go see a post by number, simply provide a screen shot or a quote if you want people to reference a specific post.

I have noticed that the URL of this page changes as you scroll through posts, to reflect the point in the thread that you’re currently looking at.

I believe that this link does not vary with posters on ignore, so it should be the same for everyone. If this is true, an alternate way to refer to a particular post is via its URL.

Whether that remains the same as posts are deleted, I haven’t determined.

[jvanrens]

@McGurk

Just a hint: there is someone posting on this thread who is a legitimate expert in architecture, engineering, building and drafting; who spends their day reading building codes, and reading and drafting blueprints

While building codes may be different in that poster’s state than they are in NJ, I respect their long experience in reading and interpreting building codes.

Another hint: that poster I am referencing is NOT hut-ho78. Or Currently Horseless.

I’m sure of that! I work for a general contractor, so take anything they post with a huge grain of salt, hence most of my comments. I’ve been doing a whole lot of eye rolling lately. I appreciate comments from posters who have more experience than I do.

[trubandloki]

That is a good point.

I have no one on ignore and the number in the url is an even different number than the post count number scroll bar. See screen shot.

[jvanrens]

Same. I don’t have anyone on ignore (though my scrolling gets a great workout on occaision) The numbers don’t seem to match up quite right. Maybe it has something to do with deleted posts?

[jvanrens]

@jvanrens

@hut-ho78

According to the nice health inspector, it was officially a duplex.

Care to share a link? Some of us actually have to get some work done today and might not have time to go sifting through all the YouTube videos though fortunately for the moment I have time to breath between emails.

Well, I guess HH isn’t going to answer yet another question. If work stays quiet today (unusual for a Friday in the construction business for me anyway) I might get the chance to hunt it down myself.

[trubandloki]

So weird… it is just weird.

Clearly, if you want someone to reference a post just either quote it or provide a screen shot.

[cutter99]

@CanteringCarrot

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

DNA I can understand because it’s expensive and takes forever……but fingerprints? That’s ancient forensic tech…I mean we “fingerprinted” ourselves with a pencil and tape in grade school science.

Running DNA is $$$, but collecting it isn’t, is it?
Collect it. If you never need it, don’t process it.
But when the witnesses proved less than reliable, if you had it then you could bolster your case.
If I was related, literally or otherwise, to the victims, I’d be furious.
.

Yeaahh, I don’t know why the victim & Co. aren’t upset. They’ve only issued words of praise, IIRC. Some of it understandable because they were able to save a life (LK), but if the crime scene and everything were processed better, and if everything the victims said were to be true, MB could’ve been behind bars for life and a guilty verdict would’ve been more certain.

I do think there’s something a bit off about how it all went down (that 911 call still just feels weird) and perhaps if things were processed better and more thoroughly, something(s) would’ve came to light that would’ve been unfavorable for the certain individuals? Maybe not, but due to their behavior(s) I don’t think it’s totally out there to think that.

Think about how well the lack of forensics worked out for LK and her Krew.

There was enough evidence that someone was shot, obviously, but not enough evidence to prove in a court of law who was actually the shooter.

If the lack of evidence hides a multitude of sins, as well as the truth, so be it!

Before certain posters get their knickers in a knot and demand to tell us how conclusive the evidence was, just STOP!

We have heard your illogical reasoning enough, and really don’t care to hear anymore. Just because you spout something enthusiastically and frequently does not name it true.