MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[Sdel]

@Omgitsme

The mental health professionals didn’t say “he should be released” they recommended an inpatient facility better suited to his needs. I don’t understand why that would be overruled.

They didn’t. The recommended an intensive outpatient therapy program.

[trubandloki]

@Omgitsme

The mental health professionals didn’t say “he should be released” they recommended an inpatient facility better suited to his needs. I don’t understand why that would be overruled.

This is not what I remember at all.

[Omgitsme]

My only problem with that is moving to a different facility IS (IMO) working the levels. I definitely believe he hasn’t been moved because of lack of space. Our mental health system is woefully understaffed and underfunded.

ETA: removed my incorrect statement.

[erinmeri]

The medical professionals working with him recommended intense outpatient treatment. A “committee” of others disagreed. The judge followed the latter’s recommendation, and in my opinion he did so as to CYA.

Edited: typos.

[Omgitsme]

Ah, I misunderstood that. Thank you for correcting me.

[Omgitsme]

I misunderstood, thank you for correcting me.

[erinmeri]

A thought (and I am working on this myself!), but since Mod1 has had to step in twice today… if you think someone is being inappropriate, maybe just flag the post and use force of will or the ignore function to move along, rather than replying. Despite someone yesterday mischaracterizing my interaction with a highly aggressive and inappropriate and now-banned poster, I eventually did just that and it helped my mental health greatly… and they eventually sealed their own fate. Just a suggestion… one I occasionally have to remind myself to follow.

[Sdel]

It is going to be a long week of waiting…

[eggbutt]

@Omgitsme

I mostly agree with you. However, there was no chance of him just walking back into public.
The mental health professionals didn’t say “he should be released” they recommended an inpatient facility better suited to his needs. I don’t understand why that would be overruled.

To be clear, Michael did not expect to be released free and clear. He knows and wants full mental health assistance to overcome the past 3+ years, work on coping mechanisms for his older problems, and regain his confidence. He is anxious to resume his life, as any of us would be, and never wants to be a victim of a predator again. That said, he and his loved ones want quality treatment to fulfill his mental health goals.

Once he is home the Kanareks will never get anywhere near him again. NEVER.

[erinmeri]

Another thought, that I have done many times (including recently) myself… If you feel the subject matter is inflaming in you an emotional response, or that people are disagreeing with you, or you feel ganged up on, or are otherwise frustrated… maybe just walk away. Come back later (or don’t).

[Knights_Mom]

@Warmblood1

Since we are getting personal, I think it’s only fair if you share what your career is as well as your educational background. I would think it’s unusual to expect someone to answers these types of questions and you not do the same

And then they can take that 31+ year career in law with commendations for Valor and where I had to be versed in criminal law, civil practice, landlord/tenant, family law, domestic relations law etc and reduce it to vacuuming under lawyers desks.

I would not for a minute consider sharing any other personal information so a gang of ick can better target me.

[3PonyFarm]

@erinmeri

The medical professionals working with him recommended intense outpatient treatment. A “committee” of others disagreed. The judge followed the latter’s recommendation, and in my opinion he did so as to CYA.

Edited: typos.

I thought the law stated (and I could be wrong) that the person who made the recommendation had to be someone who actually examined the patient and that had to be within a certain timeframe of the hearing. I don’t believe anyone from the committee examined him. I also think the law says the least restrictive option must be used.

[erinmeri]

@3PonyFarm

I thought the law stated (and I could be wrong) that the person who made the recommendation had to be someone who actually examined the patient and that had to be within a certain timeframe of the hearing. I don’t believe anyone from the committee examined him. I also think the law says the least restrictive option must be used.

Now, THAT is above my pay grade. LOL. But, as I understand it, the judge can hear from whatever professionals present opinions and rule from there. I don’t think it has to be the “least punitive”, and I don’t think mental health professionals would categorize inpatient treatment as punitive. If my memory serves, one of Barisone’s own experts said he thought the outpatient recommendation (8 hours per day of intense treatment and therapy???) was not feasible in an outpatient setting. I may be wrong.

[3PonyFarm]

I agree, I also thought Dr. Simring said that Greystone would not be the best option either. Mental Health care is very lacking in this country. That is one thing this case has revealed.

[eggbutt]

@erinmeri

one of Barisone’s own experts said he thought the outpatient recommendation (8 hours per day of intense treatment and therapy???)

I almost wonder if that wasn’t a misstatement!!

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

If my memory serves, one of Barisone’s own experts said he thought the outpatient recommendation (8 hours per day of intense treatment and therapy???) was not feasible in an outpatient setting. I may be wrong.

These types of programs do exist. But they aren’t cheap and they might be limited in accessibility.

[Unfforgettable]

This may have been answered somewhere, buried in a few zillion posts, but I’m asking anyway.

In discovery, how can it be proven that all requested information has actually been provided, without deletion of incriminating portions? Phone records, text messages, emails, recordings, etc.?

[erinmeri]

@Sdel

These types of programs do exist. But they aren’t cheap and they might be limited in accessibility.

Not to mention, as I mentioned previously… they would be extremely intense. When I was in college, I had a hard time managing my therapy and treatment schedule, which was maybe 8 hours a week… it was overwhelming emotionally.

[erinmeri]

@3PonyFarm

I agree, I also thought Dr. Simring said that Greystone would not be the best option either. Mental Health care is very lacking in this country. That is one thing this case has revealed.

This is sadly VERY true! From what I have read, Greystone seems to be awful, but one of the best of the public options in NJ, if not the best.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@trubandloki

The staff that worked with him daily said he was not a risk to himself or others.

I would like to stress this, and point out, they found this even with LK claiming she sent copies of her transcripts (the ones seeker is not producing) to Anne Klein.

AK should be subpoenaed for any documents LK or any other LK affiliated person or entity sent to them.