MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[trubandloki]

@Angela_Freda

Didn’t she go from half to fully Bronzed since the shooting?

Yes ma’am, she finished her bronze after the shooting.

[Angela_Freda]

I wish we could create a companion to @ekat brilliant synopsis, highlighting all the falsehoods.
Or, maybe just add them to the timeline in red?

Who am I kidding? That would be exhausting.

[Jealoushe]

@trubandloki

If you read her posts right here on this forum she screams at us that she has a firm memory of those events and how dare we not believe her.

Even after the mod posts THAT bit… come on let’s stick to the case! They’re was good dialogue but it’s being buried again.

[Sdel]

@Jealoushe

@trubandloki

If you read her posts right here on this forum she screams at us that she has a firm memory of those events and how dare we not believe her.

Even after the mod posts THAT bit… come on let’s stick to the case! They’re was good dialogue but it’s being buried again.

There is still plenty of good dialogue. It’s about how there was a lot of evidence about things leading up to the event that was buried in the criminal trial that will not be for the civil trial and how that might affect the outcomes of the civil trial……and be the explanation as to why the sudden cold feet on providing discovery.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

And when it does I think it’ll trigger an earthquake as to just how unjust the criminal trial and imprisonment of MB really was

This is a really goid point.
Its already so wrong.
But to learn the full scope of what they did to him, knowing what its meant for the three years plus, since… that’s going to be some big pill to swallow.
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[smoofox]

@Jealoushe

@trubandloki

If you read her posts right here on this forum she screams at us that she has a firm memory of those events and how dare we not believe her.

Even after the mod posts THAT bit… come on let’s stick to the case! They’re was good dialogue but it’s being buried again.

Exactly right - and we do not need to indulge the never-ending verdict claims over and over and over again… which tends to bury everything else!

[Knights_Mom]

Again, the previous verdict is being weaponized as to foretelling the future verdict and it is in that light that this is addressed.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

So it wasn’t proven beyond a reasonable doubt that MB did it. Had it been, there at least would have been a weapons verdict of NGRI regarding RG. But there wasn’t.

The jury settled on NGRI for LK. But I suspect that the thought of his getting help was as much as they recognized the trauma LK caused and the continued danger she poses to him.

I’m surprised you want to revisit this issue, again.

If is wasn’t “proven beyond a reasonable doubt that MB did it” (that is, shot LK), they should have found him straight NG on all four counts. They didn’t.

You seem to be saying that instead of finding him NG on all four counts, in accordance with their fact finding, they were compassionate and knew he needed psychiatric treatment, and therefore found him NGRI instead of NG so that he would be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital.

That doesn’t sound like a compassionate jury to me.

[eggbutt]

Bottom line that the civil jury will keep in the forefront of their minds is she could have/should have/was told to leave, including numerous people offering to move her. Why did she continue to stay if not to Finish the Bastard? The master plan obviously went terribly wrong.

[trubandloki]

I can see a lay person sending a letter to a judge, being clueless just how out of line it is. I can not see a lawyer of any type doing it because there is no way that anyone who went thru law school and passed the bar does not know just how out of line it is to send a note to the judge.
I can not think of any reason why @Inigo-montoya/Jonathan Kanarek would do this and think it is OK.

[ekat]

@Jealoushe

Even after the mod posts THAT bit… come on let’s stick to the case! They’re was good dialogue but it’s being buried again.

I think that was sticking to the case though, the way I read it and what it’s responding to. LK has given more than one version of the shooting, including here on the forum, to the police, day one of her testimony, and day 2, when she didn’t remember what she said on day 1.

That could cause a problem for a jury that’s weighing her credibility with regards to her duties and her burden of proof in the civil suit.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

Since some people are still asserting the verdict means that the jury believed for certain that MB did in fact shoot LK,

No one has said “for certain”. Just “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

According to video, the effect of jury nullification usually works in favor of the sympathetic defendant.

MB is an extremely sympathetic defendant, especially with the Olympic equestrian character witnesses. LK is quite the unsympathetic victim, having had to admit to the “finish the bastard” text, and the heroin use, and the creepy SM posts, and the recordings, etc.

Are you proposing that in this instance jury nullification worked against MB and the jury genuinely thought NG was in accordance with the facts, but they instead voted NGRI instead?

If this was a case of jury nullification, wouldn’t the disparity working in favor of the sympathetic defendant consist of the jury nullifying a proposed Guilty verdict in favor of NGRI?

Jury nullification does tend to work in favor of sympathetic defendants and against unsympathetic defendants, correct?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@OntheFnce

A whole lot of the sidebars that were not admitted will be in he civil suit.

And when it does I think it’ll trigger an earthquake as to just how unjust the criminal trial and imprisonment of MB really was.

How was the criminal trial unjust? MB plead NGRI and the jury returned a verdict of NGRI.

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

My guess is LK is going to claim loss of income bc MB ruined her chances of being an Olympic (or high caliber) rider and the income she could have earned from that. Not that she had a job currently earning income but potential job.

Maybe somebody could do the math for the jury by graphing the current income level from comparable riders at the same level who were getting similar scores to LK in 2019.

[Sdel]

@MHM

@Warmblood1

My guess is LK is going to claim loss of income bc MB ruined her chances of being an Olympic (or high caliber) rider and the income she could have earned from that. Not that she had a job currently earning income but potential job.

Maybe somebody could do the math for the jury by graphing the current income level from comparable riders at the same level who were getting similar scores to LK in 2019.

I don’t think it’s even that hard. They just need to be shown the posts where she is riding 6 horses a day and GP, and then show that she was riding at 4th before the shooting and then explain that GP is more difficult than 4th and that she has more horses now than she did when she was with MB.

[OntheFnce]

@Sdel

@MHM

@Warmblood1

My guess is LK is going to claim loss of income bc MB ruined her chances of being an Olympic (or high caliber) rider and the income she could have earned from that. Not that she had a job currently earning income but potential job.

Maybe somebody could do the math for the jury by graphing the current income level from comparable riders at the same level who were getting similar scores to LK in 2019.

I don’t think it’s even that hard. They just need to be shown the posts where she is riding 6 horses a day and GP, and then show that she was riding at 4th before the shooting and then explain that GP is more difficult than 4th and that she has more horses now than she did when she was with MB.

Again, she has the burden of proof. I doubt it will be that difficult for the defense to put doubt to whatever evidence she presents.

[Scribbler]

@Sdel

@MHM

@Warmblood1

My guess is LK is going to claim loss of income bc MB ruined her chances of being an Olympic (or high caliber) rider and the income she could have earned from that. Not that she had a job currently earning income but potential job.

Maybe somebody could do the math for the jury by graphing the current income level from comparable riders at the same level who were getting similar scores to LK in 2019.

I don’t think it’s even that hard. They just need to be shown the posts where she is riding 6 horses a day and GP, and then show that she was riding at 4th before the shooting and then explain that GP is more difficult than 4th and that she has more horses now than she did when she was with MB.

Yes. She is adamant she’s fully recovered.

On the other hand, if there is any question about loss of income from potentially going pro in late middle age then all that has to happen to counter that is point to her longstanding opiod addiction.

She is not going anywhere with that hanging over her, and all the naps and mood swings it entails.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

Again, the previous verdict is being weaponized as to foretelling the future verdict and it is in that light that this is addressed.

Unless those two or three posters are actually going to be on the jury for the civil trial, which seems very unlikely, it makes no difference what they think. And clearly, they are not going to change their minds now. So arguing with them is a complete waste of time and bandwidth.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

@lazaret

A jury can find that someone is at fault but if you’re unemployed, enjoying the same quality of life that you had prior, and are unwilling to prove pain and suffering by exposing your medical records the jury has nothing to award to you to make you whole. Thus civil cases are not one sided, it’s not just “this guy shot me and therefore owes me money” that the jury is deciding.

My guess is LK is going to claim loss of income bc MB ruined her chances of being an Olympic (or high caliber) rider and the income she could have earned from that. Not that she had a job currently earning income but potential job.

Does anyone remember what long term issue the surgeon testified LK might have? Were there long term issues?

The surgeon testified as to her thoracic injuries and loss of blood, the damage that was killing her and to which he was called ti repair for life saving issues.

Your response doesn’t make any sense, but ok.

I am asking about long term issues. I would think if there were significant long term issues, they would have been brought up in legal docs where her lawyer is trying to get things held by zoom. He just said she was shot but being shot does not mean there is significant long term damage. Scar tissue, yes, but that also does not equate to a significant medical issue.

LK also never had a “career” in horses. She was an intermediate amateur. It’s on her to prove that there was even a possibility for her to make an income as a pro and how her injuries supposedly prevent her from doing that.

So far she has only disproved the idea by stating she is riding more horses at a higher level post injury. I am sure MB’s legal team has documented the things she has said online IRT this.

She really does have a problem staying off of social media.

[Omgitsme]

Ah yes, the waiver he wanted her to sign so he could kill her with no repercussions.