MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[jvanrens]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

LK is posting in several areas. We know this because people here interact with her there and post here.

Not necessarily interacting. That’s an assumption.
One does not need to sign up on those sites to read what she writes, and then share it.

Well one person wrote here that they interacted with LK on YouTube, hence all of us must be…

[anon6923113]

@lazaret

I don’t know why I’m answering this AGAIN except some people seem to feel that if they say it in Latin it makes it true.

The issue of the shooting was not in dispute in the criminal trial. The only person present who could dispute the scenario as described had no memory. There was no evidence either way. The only fact was that she received gunshot wounds.

In a criminal proceeding the presence of gunshot wounds is enough to presume that lethal force was intended. The charge was attempted murder. The jury found that the defendant could not have intended to murder the victim because of insanity.

Thus NOTHING was proven about WHO committed the act in question. Nothing. Zilch. That wasn’t the question at criminal trial. The question at criminal trial is did the defendant intend to kill the named victim. The answer is that he couldn’t have formed that intention. There is NO FINDING as to the commission of the act.

I think everyone else gets this except for a few individuals being deliberately obtuse

I think they just keep on going back to the whole, “OMG - she was SHOT! She’s a VICTIM! Case CLOSED!” line of discussion because it’s REALLY CHALLENGING for them to discuss other things that will be pertinent in a civil trial.

[Angela_Freda]

Like Bilinkis, I think its far more revealing to just let her mouth off as she does. No need to “interact”, she’s compulsively verbose, just chew your pinky nail and let her blab.

[eggbutt]

I BELIEVE the jury in the civil trial will agree that either a) there is not enough evidence of who fired the shots or, b) they will conclude the shooting occurred during a scuffle. I BELIEVE their decision will come from evidence presented from Finish the Bastard documented messages and information from other evidence. Then, I BELIEVE the jury will rule in favor of Michael Barisone and award him damages for lost earnings, lost business, damaged reputation, pain and suffering, and unmitigated terrorism from April 2019 to current day. This coupled with testimony from GJ, Haleybot and possibly others will certainly produce a pattern of predatory behavior.

I hope there will be charges brought against Lauren Shay Kanarek for all her cyber terrorism and harassment against Michael Barisone, and, SHOULD other evidence surface indicating who the true aggressors were 8/7/19, that charges will be brought.

And finally I really hope the trial is streamed on line. Hey, maybe that is what Jonathan wrote to Judge Sceusi about!

For those who want to twist my words, please note I have not stated I hate anyone, that anyone is my enemy, that I have not stated what WILL happen and I have no inside information.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

I don’t know why I’m answering this AGAIN except some people seem to feel that if they say it in Latin it makes it true.

The issue of the shooting was not in dispute in the criminal trial. The only person present who could dispute the scenario as described had no memory. There was no evidence either way. The only fact was that she received gunshot wounds.

In a criminal proceeding the presence of gunshot wounds is enough to presume that lethal force was intended. The charge was attempted murder. The jury found that the defendant could not have intended to murder the victim because of insanity.

Thus NOTHING was proven about WHO committed the act in question. Nothing. Zilch. That wasn’t the question at criminal trial. The question at criminal trial is did the defendant intend to kill the named victim. The answer is that he couldn’t have formed that intention. There is NO FINDING as to the commission of the act.

I think everyone else gets this except for a few individuals being deliberately obtuse.

“The issue of the shooting was not in dispute in the criminal trial”?

Of course it was. If the prosecutor did not make his case on all elements of his case (other than intent), the jury would have found MB straight NG on all four counts. The jury did find him NG on the two counts relating to RG.

It’s true that the jury determined he couldn’t form the intent required to make it a criminal act, but the determination of his insanity was not even broached until after it was required to be considered by the finding of actus reus. The crime of attempted murder requires both: actus reus and mens rea. The jury would not have even deliberated on mens rea is they hadn’t found actus reus.

I’m not the one being deliberately obtuse.

[MHM]

@BigMama1

@Knights_Mom

I’d love to know what other poster here has messaged a dozen other users to threaten them with lawsuits.

The only other ones I know of are DH and NP. The three poster children for NPD!

Who is DH?

[eggbutt]

[Jealoushe]

Dressage Hub

[eggbutt]

Dressage Hub

[smoofox]

@jvanrens

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

LK is posting in several areas. We know this because people here interact with her there and post here.

Not necessarily interacting. That’s an assumption.
One does not need to sign up on those sites to read what she writes, and then share it.

Well one person wrote here that they interacted with LK on YouTube, hence all of us must be…

Well, I saw many comments she spewed and raged and ranted on YouTube when I finally got around to watching all the criminal trial videos… and… (Hamilton interlude)

… wait for it…

…wait for it…

…wait for it…

… wait…

I never bothered to reply to the usual tiresome claims, boasts, insults and sneers.

Not one word.

Astounding, right?

[Jealoushe]

Is there a possibility that copies of the contracts between MB and LK or whoever on their behalf signed will be presented in the civil trial as public court documents as it goes on? As in we will be able to view them like you can with criminal trial exhibits?

[eggbutt]

@smoofox

@jvanrens

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

LK is posting in several areas. We know this because people here interact with her there and post here.

Not necessarily interacting. That’s an assumption.
One does not need to sign up on those sites to read what she writes, and then share it.

Well one person wrote here that they interacted with LK on YouTube, hence all of us must be…

Well, I saw many comments she spewed and raged and ranted on YouTube when I finally got around to watching all the criminal trial videos… and… (Hamilton interlude)

… wait for it…

…wait for it…

…wait for it…

… wait…

I never bothered to reply to the usual claims, boasts, insults and sneers.

Not one word.

Astounding, right?

I think I looked at the trial comments a couple of times and the 48 Hours and Dr Grande comments more, but I also did not post since I would simply be agreeing with the vast majority of posters!

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

Is there a possibility that copies of the contracts between MB and LK or whoever on their behalf signed will be presented in the civil trial as public court documents as it goes on? As in we will be able to view them like you can with criminal trial exhibits?

Do you believe there really are contracts?

[Angela_Freda]

Precisely

[anon6923113]

Right? If there were actually written contracts, it seems like that would have been mentioned during the criminal trial.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

I don’t know why I’m answering this AGAIN except some people seem to feel that if they say it in Latin it makes it true.

The issue of the shooting was not in dispute in the criminal trial. The only person present who could dispute the scenario as described had no memory. There was no evidence either way. The only fact was that she received gunshot wounds.

In a criminal proceeding the presence of gunshot wounds is enough to presume that lethal force was intended. The charge was attempted murder. The jury found that the defendant could not have intended to murder the victim because of insanity.

Thus NOTHING was proven about WHO committed the act in question. Nothing. Zilch. That wasn’t the question at criminal trial. The question at criminal trial is did the defendant intend to kill the named victim. The answer is that he couldn’t have formed that intention. There is NO FINDING as to the commission of the act.

I think everyone else gets this except for a few individuals being deliberately obtuse.

Oh I get it. What you say is incorrect. To get to a verdict of NGRI, first the prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the actor did the act. Only then can insanity be considered. If insane, he could not have intent so it was not a crime. If the prosecutor had not proven MB shot LK, he would have received NG for her shooting as well.

[Jealoushe]

I’m just assuming, wouldn’t there be?

[Sdel]

@anon6923113

Right? If there were actually written contracts, it seems like that would have been mentioned during the criminal trial.

Office spelunking? Maybe what was “found” were fraudulent and so they didn’t feature as prejudicial against the victim….

[Angela_Freda]

Right, it was actually beyond satisfying that it was other, non-horse people coming to the same conclusion without a word from me.

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

I heard that on the forums and I think testimony that he “needed the money.”

Testimony at trial and discussion here showed (a) he was not in financial difficulty and (b) the ridiculously low rate she was paying was likely costing him money. If he needed the money he would have filled the 4 or 5 stalls with boarders paying full freight.

Incorrect. MHG testimony showed he had cash flow problems, not wealth, but cash on hand. He couldn’t sleep thinking about it.