MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[trubandloki]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

This was my initial reaction. I just see her as someone who far prefers being a boarder, vs taking on the responsibility and work involved in owning and running a farm.

I do not disagree with in theory, because I know how much work it is when you are the owner, not just a boarder.
But… You knew there would be a but, right?
Lauren Kanarek is not that logical. I would guess that in her mind if she owned the place she would just hire people to do the things she wants done and she could be the queen.
Heck with those problems like no one wanting to work for her because she is likely a horrible to work for boss. Heck with those problems like no one wanting to do business with her (hay, etc).
Heck with the fact that the barn owner has to step up and clean the stalls when their employee calls in sick because animals do not care that you do not want to do the work, it has to get done.

@EADoug

It had nothing to do with a normal person’s sense of reasonable. It was 100% take anything that is meaningful to the other party.

I must say thank you @EADoug for sharing your experiences. You are making things more clear. It is hard to imagine there are people who think like that. (But then, there are posters on this very forum that make it very clear that maybe people who think like that are more common than many of us think.)

[Joanne]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

the party who is owed money has to engage in additional action to garnish disbursements from the trust, over the course of years.

That really can be done ? Interesting.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

I think she had it in her head that she would own the farm and MB would be her private manager/trainer.

She could have TWO manservants - a houseboy and a barnboy. One for each of her multiple personalities (assuming she only has TWO personalities).

[EADoug]

@trubandloki

I must say thank you @EADoug for sharing your experiences. You are making things more clear. It is hard to imagine there are people who think like that. (But then, there are posters on this very forum that make it very clear that maybe people who think like that are more common than many of us think.)

I really didn’t think these people could exist either. Until I was sitting at the family dinner table listening to these rants start and his parents just nodding along and going “whatever you think is best” like he wasn’t talking about ruining someone’s life. It was a situation HE caused - HE couldn’t make it work in his lab. He essentially was given a nice soft landing (here, take your Master’s degree, no harm no foul, go find a different lab for your PhD) and he tantrumed (sound familiar…?).

Anyways. I saw my life flash in front of my eyes. If I married this man, and things inevitably went south, I absolutely saw with certainty that he would seek to hurt me as much as possible for the rest of my life. I knew he would go hard for full custody of any kids, my horse at the time… I just saw this all flash there. I would NEVER be rid of him. So I vanished as best I could.

I occasionally still Google him as he still has faint ties to the city I live in, although I think he still lives across the country. Sadly, all that comes up when I type in his name are the court documents from him losing in the Supreme Court for the case he was starting when we were dating. What a legacy.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

How does a lien on your residence make it hers? It doesn’t. It just means you can’t sell it without satisfying a judgement someone has against you.

That’s what she said to me and threatened me with. It’s right there in writing. Call her up and ask HER. Or, maybe she doesn’t know about property liens as much as she thinks she does?

In the PM you posted, she threatened to have a lien placed on your assets if you refused to pay a judgement she might potentially (hypothetically) obtain against her.

Just like posters here are talking about garnishing trust fund payouts and placing liens on GP horses if LK doesn’t pay some hypothetical judgement against her.

It’s AOK for SGF and MB to use the courts to attempt satisfy a (super hypothetical) court ordered judgement, but it is not OK if LK does? Of course it is.

You could have laughed off her bluff that she would sue you for defamation, but you seem to need the drama of being the victim.

Nice try.

Come again.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Einhorn aqs sees esq

I’d have ignored it, it’s sm claptrap, it dies and gets buried in posts, depriving it of oxygen. These things have the ability to live forever, otherwise.

But my motto is “You must never run from anything immortal. It attracts their attention. […] Never run. […] Walk slowly, and pretend to be thinking of something else. Sing a song, say a poem, do your tricks, but walk slowly and she may not follow”

if it were someone other than LK, that might work.

But Eggbutt has been on this forum almost daily for three years repeating and repeating the same stuff, lest anyone forget, whether LK is present to dispute it or not. Likewise with KM.

You’re saying she should have ignored it and it would have just “gone away”. I don’t think it would have.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Joanne

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

the party who is owed money has to engage in additional action to garnish disbursements from the trust, over the course of years.

That really can be done ? Interesting.

That’s my understanding. But I believe certain disbursements to fund basic living expenses are sometimes protected from garnishment. But… let’s hypothetically say LK got a disbursement of $75,000 from the trust to buy a nice new horse. Well… the party who was still owed money could race to the courthouse and argue that $75,000 go towards satisfying the outstanding judgement… instead of the purchase of a new horse.

I am by no means an expert in this area… but this is my understanding of how it works. If she leaves most of the money sitting in the trust… it’s protected. But… if she tries to spend money to fund luxury items? I believe some of it can be garnished…

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@iberianfan

It was a mediation, not arbitration. Somewhat different procedures and different outcomes. A mediation is not binding.

And I am just going to put this here, then I will stop: there is a BIG difference in being threatened by an individual that they are going to take your house and farm, and discussing how someone ELSE might satisfy a judgment…

LK threatened to sue KM for defamation for what she posted on COTH, even after being informed by LK that what KM was posting was not true. If LK had actually filed a defamation suit (unlikely) snd won (unlikely) and revived a big monetary judgement (unlikely), it is perfectly within the legal system to request a court put liens on KMs assets. Correct?

I think LK was simply blustering to try to get KM to stop repeating the statements that LK considered defamatory. But KM never retracted the statement. She only ever continued to double down.

Tell me how LK “threatening” to use the court system to place a lien on KMs property to satisfy some hypothetical court judgement is nasty and evil, while SGF garnishing trust fund payments and placing a lien on a hypothetical future GP horse of LKs is the normal working of the court system.

Nice try.

Come again.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Einhorn

Lk threatened to start ab lawsuit because some random person said a thing she didn’t like. Lk started a lawsuit (for legit reasons) against sfg. So these two things aren’t really similar, though they both involve Lk and legal stuff.

In both instances, the issue is using the court system to satisfy a hypothetical court ordered judgement.

It’s a nasty, evil, threat if she’s the one (hypothetically) using the court system, but not when SGF or MB are (hypothetically) using the court system.

Are you effing kidding me?

LK threatened a lawsuit against someone because she didn’t like she said about her on SM (she - i.e, LK - being herself the queen of trash and bash on SM).

SGF is only using the court system to REFUTE the lawsuit that LK actually filed against them.

It’s apples and oranges, dude.
LK’s threat of a lawsuit =
SGF’s counter against LK’s lawsuit =

[BatCoach]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It has become my presumption that if there’s a SM post of LKs that makes her look bad and evil, there is a very high probability it will be reposted here on COTH.

Also, if LK had made such a claim, I would have expected her to post it here on the Barisone threads.

LK posted on many SM platforms. Its not anyone’s job to share it here for your consumption. You have chosen the route of willful ignorance by limiting your source material to just COTH posts. It might be why you have such a difference of opinion from many other posters, including well educated legal minds.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But Eggbutt has been on this forum almost daily for three years repeating and repeating the same stuff, lest anyone forget, whether LK is present to dispute it or not. Likewise with KM.

Oh, I get it now, you think this is some sort of competition.

You have absolutely no idea why several of us are so passionate about keeping the truth front and center about this situation. So, until you have walked in our shoes, how about keeping my name (alter) out of your redundant posts, put me on ignore and scroll on by any post I might make. You are insignificant in this discussion with or about me.

Edited to add, the guilt I feel about what happened to Michael Barisone and everyone at Hawthorne Hill is staggering at times. Had I screamed at him and MHG in my loudest voice repeatedly warning of what he was getting in to when he decided to take that woman on, perhaps none of this would have happened. So, @CurrentlyHorseless, keep me completely out of your posts. You don’t deserve my attention. Period.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Einhorn

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s a nasty, evil, threat if she’s the one (hypothetically) using the court system, but not when SGF or MB are (hypothetically) using the court system.

I see, but that’s not how I perceived it. I saw it more as, one is using the test of a costly litigation to intimidate someone into doing what you want, like extortion. The other is a natural consequence of not properly defending your suit.

What you may be reacting to (edited to add that you can react any way you see fit!) is that many here are assuming Lk will not be successful in her suit, and they are taking that supposition to a conclusion. And honestly, her attorney is doing her no favors…

Threatening to sue is not extortion.

I always thought LK threatening to sue for defamation was a bluff because it would be expensive for her as well, and even if she made the case she had been defamed, damages would be hard to prove. I don’t think she wanted money from KM, or her farm, just for KM to stop repeating the claim that LK found defamatory. It would have been costless for KM to admit that she possibly misremembered a few words in LKs post, but she just doubled down again and again, all the while whining that LK was threatening to “take her farm”.

If LK had sued for monetary damages and won (a massive IF), she could then have asked the court to place a lien on KMs property. That’s exactly the mechanism the legal system has in place for someone who thinks they’ve been defamed. Exactly the same mechanism as in a judgement awarded in any civil
case.

I posted comments from a dozen people who saw the same post I did. What I did is called the truth. What LK did is lie because remember she said she lies on social media.

But nice try.

Thank you. Come again.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

What LK did is lie because remember she said she lies on social media

Rambling thoughts…
What does it mean when someone is told that yes, I lie on social media but they still bend over backwards insisting that what that person said must be true?
It just seems so strange that Lauren can say under oath at a criminal trial that she lies on social media but someone/people are still insisting that though others have proof of the truth that what Lauren said must be the truth.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Einhorn

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s a nasty, evil, threat if she’s the one (hypothetically) using the court system, but not when SGF or MB are (hypothetically) using the court system.

I see, but that’s not how I perceived it. I saw it more as, one is using the test of a costly litigation to intimidate someone into doing what you want, like extortion. The other is a natural consequence of not properly defending your suit.

What you may be reacting to (edited to add that you can react any way you see fit!) is that many here are assuming Lk will not be successful in her suit, and they are taking that supposition to a conclusion. And honestly, her attorney is doing her no favors…

Threatening to sue is not extortion.

I always thought LK threatening to sue for defamation was a bluff because it would be expensive for her as well, and even if she made the case she had been defamed, damages would be hard to prove. I don’t think she wanted money from KM, or her farm, just for KM to stop repeating the claim that LK found defamatory. It would have been costless for KM to admit that she possibly misremembered a few words in LKs post, but she just doubled down again and again, all the while whining that LK was threatening to “take her farm”.

If LK had sued for monetary damages and won (a massive IF), she could then have asked the court to place a lien on KMs property. That’s exactly the mechanism the legal system has in place for someone who thinks they’ve been defamed. Exactly the same mechanism as in a judgement awarded in any civil
case.

I posted comments from a dozen people who saw the same post I did. What I did is called the truth. What LK did is lie because remember she said she lies on social media.

But nice try.

Thank you. Come again.

You provided posts of others who, like you, claimed to have remembered she posted about owning Rugers.

A post in which she claimed to own Walthers was provided.

A post in which she claimed to own Rugers was never provided, despite all the earnest screenshotting that goes on.

Yes, she has admitted to lying on SM. I’d think more highly of you if you could admit that you might have misremembered.

In the unscreenshotted post in which you remember her saying she owned Rugers, do you think she was lying about the make of her guns? Why would she lie and say her guns were the same make as the gun used to shot her?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Einhorn

Lk threatened to start ab lawsuit because some random person said a thing she didn’t like. Lk started a lawsuit (for legit reasons) against sfg. So these two things aren’t really similar, though they both involve Lk and legal stuff.

In both instances, the issue is using the court system to satisfy a hypothetical court ordered judgement.

It’s a nasty, evil, threat if she’s the one (hypothetically) using the court system, but not when SGF or MB are (hypothetically) using the court system.

Are you effing kidding me?

LK threatened a lawsuit against someone because she didn’t like she said about her on SM (she - i.e, LK - being herself the queen of trash and bash on SM).

SGF is only using the court system to REFUTE the lawsuit that LK actually filed against them.

It’s apples and oranges, dude.
LK’s threat of a lawsuit =
SGF’s counter against LK’s lawsuit =

Not liking what is said about you on SM or in the media and being defamed are two different things. The difference has to do with the truth of the statement and whether you suffered damages.

The issue was use of the court system to legally obtain payment of a hypothetical amount awarded by a court.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

But Eggbutt has been on this forum almost daily for three years repeating and repeating the same stuff, lest anyone forget, whether LK is present to dispute it or not. Likewise with KM.

Oh, I get it now, you think this is some sort of competition.

You have absolutely no idea why several of us are so passionate about keeping the truth front and center about this situation. So, until you have walked in our shoes, how about keeping my name (alter) out of your redundant posts, put me on ignore and scroll on by any post I might make. You are insignificant in this discussion with or about me.

Edited to add, the guilt I feel about what happened to Michael Barisone and everyone at Hawthorne Hill is staggering at times. Had I screamed at him and MHG in my loudest voice repeatedly warning of what he was getting in to when he decided to take that woman on, perhaps none of this would have happened. So, @CurrentlyHorseless, keep me completely out of your posts. You don’t deserve my attention. Period.

If you put me on ignore, or ignore my posts the old fashioned way, that will cut down on responses from me, Eggbutt.

But responding, quoting and tagging tends to provoke more responses. You know this.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Einhorn

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s a nasty, evil, threat if she’s the one (hypothetically) using the court system, but not when SGF or MB are (hypothetically) using the court system.

I see, but that’s not how I perceived it. I saw it more as, one is using the test of a costly litigation to intimidate someone into doing what you want, like extortion. The other is a natural consequence of not properly defending your suit.

What you may be reacting to (edited to add that you can react any way you see fit!) is that many here are assuming Lk will not be successful in her suit, and they are taking that supposition to a conclusion. And honestly, her attorney is doing her no favors…

Threatening to sue is not extortion.

I always thought LK threatening to sue for defamation was a bluff because it would be expensive for her as well, and even if she made the case she had been defamed, damages would be hard to prove. I don’t think she wanted money from KM, or her farm, just for KM to stop repeating the claim that LK found defamatory. It would have been costless for KM to admit that she possibly misremembered a few words in LKs post, but she just doubled down again and again, all the while whining that LK was threatening to “take her farm”.

If LK had sued for monetary damages and won (a massive IF), she could then have asked the court to place a lien on KMs property. That’s exactly the mechanism the legal system has in place for someone who thinks they’ve been defamed. Exactly the same mechanism as in a judgement awarded in any civil
case.

I posted comments from a dozen people who saw the same post I did. What I did is called the truth. What LK did is lie because remember she said she lies on social media.

But nice try.

Thank you. Come again.

You provided posts of others who, like you, claimed to have remembered she posted about owning Rugers.

A post in which she claimed to own Walthers was provided.

A post in which she claimed to own Rugers was never provided, despite all the earnest screenshotting that goes on.

Yes, she has admitted to lying on SM. I’d think more highly of you if you could admit that you might have misremembered.

In the unscreenshotted post in which you remember her saying she owned Rugers, do you think she was lying about the make of her guns? Why would she lie and say her guns were the same make as the gun used to shot her?

She lies and she threatened. There were 2 posts. She deleted the Ruger one. But many saw it.

I provided ample proof. And if she thought THAT was defamation wait until all the dirt comes out in the civil trial which now I will make sure to share far and wide.

[Einhorn]

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’re saying she should have ignored it and it would have just “gone away”. I don’t think it would have.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trubandloki]

When will we know what is happening with this? Will the judge post a response or is that the type of thing we will not see?

[ekat]

@trubandloki

When will we know what is happening with this? Will the judge post a response or is that the type of thing we will not see?

They’ll post the order.

Edit to clarify: the order will be entered into the court records and it will be seen on that same website that hates me.