MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[cutter99]

@hut-ho78

Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.

What explains her behavior before she was shot? She was not some paradigm of a kind and caring person before she was shot!

She took the personal information of a man she felt wronged her, because she was not the center of his universe, and used that information to cause him to be declared legally insane on August 7, 2019.

FINISH THE BASTARD!

Yeah, she was so traumatized that she came here, threatened others repeatedly, was caught in bold faced lies constantly, was rude and out and out cruel to people until she was finally banned.

As much as you would like to portray LK as an innocent victim, she has proven by her own testimony, as well as what she has said on multiple social media platforms, she is anything other than innocent.

All this legal wrangling is just more of her attempts to play 3D chess with other people’s lives.

I, for one, cannot wait for the civil trial. The skeletons are just jangling in the closet and they cannot wait to come out and speak their truth!

[KurPlexed]

@hut-ho78

I disappeared for about a year after deleting all my posts because of general nausea over these threads

And yet here you are. Again.

Regardless of why you’re here the fact remains, if it wasn’t for you and CH chiming in constantly, and trying to make comparisons at every turn this thread would die down. At least the part about how disgusting LK and family are. There really is no comparisons to be made when it comes to someone like LK who found herself in a really bad situation after tormenting someone into a mental break bc normal people just don’t that that, thankfully.

Not trying to make you feel important. Just trying to explain you aren’t helping LK and family.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

It was in ED’s testimony in court. He was driving to the barn to present the 2nd barn to LK for her approval as he had been instructed by JK and was on the phone with her when MB shot her twice.

Thank you. Just a note: whatever he was going to present was not the 2nd barn that Mr Tarshis and Jonathan Kanarek had agreed upon prior to the hiring of ED. That had already been declined by Lauren, hence the hiring of ED. Maybe as the civil suit progresses, we’ll learn more.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I agree with everything you said. What we don’t know or I don’t know is any involvement the parents had in the escalating tit for tat weirdness between LK and MB. It seems to me that is what the defense is going after. Paying LK’s bills when she is 38 years old does not make one responsible for her actions.

The civil trial is asking for JKs information and is not saying JK is responsible for LKs actions. Could you misrepresent the situation any more? Clearly JK is in possession of evidence the defense teams are entitled to request.

Good to know the civil trial is not saying JK is responsible. I guess that is just forum speculation. I don’t think it’s clear the defense teams are entitled to JK’s and KK’s information. They can always request it. Maybe the judge will agree.

The man that shot their daughter twice causing her to flatline twice, the man that they trusted, that Seeker1 said she fixed breakfast for him and his clients and staff may be released this month and they are being subpoenaed. That has to be incredibly hard.

[hut-ho78]

@cutter99

@hut-ho78

Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.

What explains her behavior before she was shot? She was not some paradigm of a kind and caring person before she was shot!

She took the personal information of a man she felt wronged her, because she was not the center of his universe, and used that information to cause him to be declared legally insane on August 7, 2019.

FINISH THE BASTARD!

Yeah, she was so traumatized that she came here, threatened others repeatedly, was caught in bold faced lies constantly, was rude and out and out cruel to people until she was finally banned.

As much as you would like to portray LK as an innocent victim, she has proven by her own testimony, as well as what she has said on multiple social media platforms, she is anything other than innocent.

All this legal wrangling is just more of her attempts to play 3D chess with other people’s lives.

I, for one, cannot wait for the civil trial. The skeletons are just jangling in the closet and they cannot wait to come out and speak their truth!

Innocent victim? I said they were two fragile people who were a terrible mix. He could have broken her first.
Mi don’t know why y’all complain about me repeatin y self when you don’t read my posts or don’t read them for comprehension.

[lazaret]

@hut-ho78

I don’t think it’s clear the defense teams are entitled to JK’s and KK’s information.

it is abundantly clear that the rules of civil procedure entitle them to the information of any party believed to be in possession of information or belief related to the matter at hand.

“Parties may obtain discovery regarding any matter, not privileged, which is relevant to the subject matter involved in the pending action, whether it relates to the claim or defense of the party seeking discovery or to the claim or defense of any other party, including the existence, description, nature, custody, condition and location of any books, documents, or other tangible things and the identity and location of persons having knowledge of any discoverable matter. It is not ground for objection that the information sought will be inadmissible at the trial if the information sought appears reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.”

Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 26.

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Remind me please, Ed is the lawyer who was shocked to learn that RG had recorded a conversation between him (Ed) and his client(s) Lauren Kanarek and Jonathan Kanarek, correct?

Which, given the time frame, had to happen with LK and RG in office, and JK virtual somehow, due to their being on a cruise (during a pandemic, if I’m not mistaken)?
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[ekat]

@Angela_Freda

Which, given the time frame, had to happen with LK and RG in office, and JK virtual somehow, due to their being on a cruise (during a pandemic, if I’m not mistaken)?

No, he was physically present on August 6th for that meeting, per ED and the surreptitious recording.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

It was in ED’s testimony in court. He was driving to the barn to present the 2nd barn to LK for her approval as he had been instructed by JK and was on the phone with her when MB shot her twice

I don’t recall the bold being the case?

[ekat]

@Angela_Freda

I don’t recall the bold being the case?

He did say he was driving back from court that afternoon and had to pull over. I assumed he meant back to his office, but

[trubandloki]

Thank you @lazaret for once again sharing your amazing legal knowledge with us.

@CurrentlyHorseless

@KurPlexed

I think it’s hysterical that there are 2 posters on here who claim to not want LKs name to be drug thru the mud yet they can’t see that every time they post they elicit the exact opposite effect.

This thread would organically die into recipe hell if it wasn’t for them constantly chiming in with such utter nonsense.

The reply by HH to a woman being r*ped is beyond gross.

This is a very tired assertion, already proved incorrect repeatedly. Yawn.

@hut-ho78

@ekat

@hut-ho78

Agree there too. JK also said LK had to approve, it was her final decision, not JK’s.

Please clarify - when did Jonathan say that and what was Lauren supposed to approve?

It was in ED’s testimony in court. He was driving to the barn to present the 2nd barn to LK for her approval as he had been instructed by JK and was on the phone with her when MB shot her twice.

@CurrentlyHorseless

@hut-ho78

@KurPlexed

I think it’s hysterical that the 2 posters on here who claim to not want LKs name to be drug thru the mud yet they can’t see that every time they post they elicit the exact opposite effect.

This thread would organically die into recipe hell if it wasn’t for them constantly chiming in with such utter nonsense.

The reply by HH to a woman being r*ped is beyond gross.

Not correct. I disappeared for about a year after deleting all my posts because of general nausea over these threads, people defending those caught up in SS, etc. Then my posts were reinstated after the Great Hack reconstruction. I don’t know if COTH brought them back or how they reappeared.

However, these threads continued in all their “gory” throughout that time, with it without me.

So thank you for trying to make me feel important but it just is not so.

Exactly.

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I agree with everything you said. What we don’t know or I don’t know is any involvement the parents had in the escalating tit for tat weirdness between LK and MB. It seems to me that is what the defense is going after. Paying LK’s bills when she is 38 years old does not make one responsible for her actions.

The civil trial is asking for JKs information and is not saying JK is responsible for LKs actions. Could you misrepresent the situation any more? Clearly JK is in possession of evidence the defense teams are entitled to request.

Good to know the civil trial is not saying JK is responsible. I guess that is just forum speculation. I don’t think it’s clear the defense teams are entitled to JK’s and KK’s information. They can always request it. Maybe the judge will agree.

The man that shot their daughter twice causing her to flatline twice, the man that they trusted, that Seeker1 said she fixed breakfast for him and his clients and staff may be released this month and they are being subpoenaed. That has to be incredibly hard.

@hut-ho78

@cutter99

@hut-ho78

Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.

What explains her behavior before she was shot? She was not some paradigm of a kind and caring person before she was shot!

She took the personal information of a man she felt wronged her, because she was not the center of his universe, and used that information to cause him to be declared legally insane on August 7, 2019.

FINISH THE BASTARD!

Yeah, she was so traumatized that she came here, threatened others repeatedly, was caught in bold faced lies constantly, was rude and out and out cruel to people until she was finally banned.

As much as you would like to portray LK as an innocent victim, she has proven by her own testimony, as well as what she has said on multiple social media platforms, she is anything other than innocent.

All this legal wrangling is just more of her attempts to play 3D chess with other people’s lives.

I, for one, cannot wait for the civil trial. The skeletons are just jangling in the closet and they cannot wait to come out and speak their truth!

Innocent victim? I said they were two fragile people who were a terrible mix. He could have broken her first.
Mi don’t know why y’all complain about me repeatin y self when you don’t read my posts or don’t read them for comprehension.

[lazaret]

He specifically said he did not recall but given the location he hazarded that he was likely returning to his office from a court appearance in a neighboring town.

[ekat]

Thank you for this very interesting and informative post, which I’m not copy in its entirety.

That is very interesting indeed, how a video deposition can blow up.

I am so mystified by the actions of the plaintiff and her attorney. It’s beyond bizarre to dig in your heels over discovery this early in a case that you brought.

[ekat]

@lazaret

He specifically said he did not recall but given the location he hazarded that he was likely returning to his office from a court appearance in a neighboring town.

Ahhh, ok.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Ambitious_Kate

@hut-ho78

Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.

I am so tired [edit] of Lauren’s on this board. Whether you know her or not, you’re feeding her her narcissistic supply with your obfuscation and purposeful, obtuse, [edit] inability to follow along with the facts. Its like a cult who joiners who have all the excuses in the world why she shouldn’t take responsibility for her behaviour, and who have no problem ignoring what she does and says, and rewriting what she did, all because she suffered trauma.

I’ve had all kinds of emotional and physical trauma, PTSD during parts of my youth and young adulthood, brought about by Lauren Kanarek types I"ve worked with, and by a couple of men, a very abusive husband, neglectful parents, and a r**pe. I’ve gotten therapy about it all at various times. I’ve worked through it, and I don’t carry it with me. I can talk about it, and about the horror of these things, but here’s the key: I don’t perseverate about it. I don’t cater to my emotions about it, I don’t hold onto it into my daily life, I don’t wear it like a designer bag. You sycophants of Lauren’s wear HER trauma like a designer bag! You claim you don’t know her, but you parrot her and her family’s behaviour and re-writing of the facts, sometimes even before they act it out themselves, swirling your capes so everyone sees your banners of her trauma!

Yes, some of my trauma was with me and affected my functioning for many years until I could move it out of my present life, but even when it did affect me, I didn’t put it out front, make it a raison d’etre. I struggled with the PTSD in various ways until I sorted it all out, but not while making the people around me constantly aware of it, and never ever used it as an excuse to abuse other people, or look for vindication or law suits. I havn’t ignored my traumas; I can see red flags in abusive men a mile way, and I can see narcissistic rage in work managers looking for their supply quick enough to find another job and get out of their sphere, but I don’t wear my trauma like a badge and make those around me feel they have to excuse my behaviour because of it. I own my own behaviour and what I make of life.

Its sad and pathetic to watch someone like Lauren take no responsibility for herself in any shape or manner, and even more inexcusable for those strangers on this board to obfuscate for her, and be purposefully obtuse and slow to comprehend the conversation on this board as Lauren’s co-dependent sycophants.

There’s no excuse for using one’s trauma to create drama and bring attention and pity to yourself, and there’s no excuse for abusing other people because of what happened to you. And there’s not one single excuse for you to use Lauren’s trauma as a banner to spread her hate and excuse her and her family’s toxic abuse in the name of her flatlining. Lauren abused people long before anything happened to her. Rewriting her story in your heads to make her out to be a victim is what cult leaders get you to do for them. You sound like zealots who drank the Lauren koolaide, and people are laughing, here, that you just don’t get it.

She is a victim: She was shot twice in the chest and nearly died. The fact that Barisone’s NGRI verdict means there was no crime because he was not capable of having intent does not undo the physical or mental wounds from being shot.

And that’s what the civil suit is about.

[edit]

So basically, according to you and your co-hort, there are degreees of victim hood, and unless you are shot twice and flat line twice, no compassion or sympathy are necessary???

Alrighty then!

Hey everyone else on this thread- just remember when people show you who they are, believe them!!!

[ekat]

@lazaret

it is abundantly clear that the rules of civil procedure entitle them to the information of any party believed to be in possession of information or belief related to the matter at hand.

Exactly. Thank you. It’s absolutely permitted and absolutely not harassment.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Ambitious_Kate

@hut-ho78

Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.

I am so tired of these [edit] of Lauren’s on this board. Whether you know her or not, you’re feeding her her narcissistic supply with your obfuscation and purposeful, obtuse, [edit] inability to follow along with the facts. Its like a cult who joiners who have all the excuses in the world why she shouldn’t take responsibility for her behaviour, and who have no problem ignoring what she does and says, and rewriting what she did, all because she suffered trauma.

I’ve had all kinds of emotional and physical trauma, PTSD during parts of my youth and young adulthood, brought about by Lauren Kanarek types I"ve worked with, and by a couple of men, a very abusive husband, neglectful parents, and a r**pe. I’ve gotten therapy about it all at various times. I’ve worked through it, and I don’t carry it with me. I can talk about it, and about the horror of these things, but here’s the key: I don’t perseverate about it. I don’t cater to my emotions about it, I don’t hold onto it into my daily life, I don’t wear it like a designer bag. You sycophants of Lauren’s wear HER trauma like a designer bag! You claim you don’t know her, but you parrot her and her family’s behaviour and re-writing of the facts, sometimes even before they act it out themselves, swirling your capes so everyone sees your banners of her trauma!

Yes, some of my trauma was with me and affected my functioning for many years until I could move it out of my present life, but even when it did affect me, I didn’t put it out front, make it a raison d’etre. I struggled with the PTSD in various ways until I sorted it all out, but not while making the people around me constantly aware of it, and never ever used it as an excuse to abuse other people, or look for vindication or law suits. I havn’t ignored my traumas; I can see red flags in abusive men a mile way, and I can see narcissistic rage in work managers looking for their supply quick enough to find another job and get out of their sphere, but I don’t wear my trauma like a badge and make those around me feel they have to excuse my behaviour because of it. I own my own behaviour and what I make of life.

Its sad and pathetic to watch someone like Lauren take no responsibility for herself in any shape or manner, and even more inexcusable for those strangers on this board to obfuscate for her, and be purposefully obtuse and slow to comprehend the conversation on this board as Lauren’s co-dependent sycophants.

There’s no excuse for using one’s trauma to create drama and bring attention and pity to yourself, and there’s no excuse for abusing other people because of what happened to you. And there’s not one single excuse for you to use Lauren’s trauma as a banner to spread her hate and excuse her and her family’s toxic abuse in the name of her flatlining. Lauren abused people long before anything happened to her. Rewriting her story in your heads to make her out to be a victim is what cult leaders get you to do for them. You sound like zealots who drank the Lauren koolaide, and people are laughing, here, that you just don’t get it.

She is a victim: She was shot twice in the chest and nearly died. The fact that Barisone’s NGRI verdict means there was no crime because he was not capable of having intent does not undo the physical or mental wounds from being shot.

And that’s what the civil suit is about.

[edit]

So basically, according to you and your co-hort, there are degreees of victim hood, and unless you are shot twice and flat line twice, no compassion or sympathy are necessary???

Alrighty then!

Hey everyone else on this thread- just remember when people show you who they are, believe them!!!

What? I said LK may not be a “crime victim”, but it’s indisputable that she’s a “gun shot victim”.

Of course there are lots snd lots of people who have not been “shot twice and flat lined twice” who deserve compassion and sympathy.

What are you talking about?

[lazaret]

of further interest, the state’s Supreme Court decision on that matter pretty explicitly noted that, in laymans terms, if you choose to use a remote deposition, then you need to lie in the bed that you made as far as the limitations of such and that claims to dismiss a deposition based on pretty much anything to do with the remote nature of it are not going to be entertained by the Court.

They also ordered in the initial order that one party’s preference for a remote deposition does not override another party’s preference for in person, and vice versa.

Frankly, I am not barred in the states of NJ or FL (nor do I wish to be) but cases like this with so many interesting challenges to be made are kind of why I became a lawyer. I do hope Deininger and Bilinkas have some fun flexing their legal minds. They clearly have good ones.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@trubandloki

You are so right. I had forgotten about Ed. So three people in the trial, two of there on behalf of the prosecution, said that Jonathan Kanarek was actively involved in this situation.

I count five:

Lauren Kanarek herself. Heck, she even read dad’s phone number into the record, while testifying about his texts. Plus, she answered an interrogatory question with go ask my father.

Rob Goodwin: who testified that he knew arrangements were made between Lauren, Michael, and Jonathan but he wasn’t part of that deal making.

MHG: who specifically mentioned that Jonathan was in Europe as negotiations for leaving were going on

Mr Tarshis: his testimony speaks for itself.

ED: hired by Jonathan Kanarek, who was present for the surreptitiously recorded meeting with ED, Lauren, and Rob.

You know, it seems to me that if Seeker was transcribing the recordings he must have heard them too……presumably that was also before the shooting, because I’m not sure the prosecution would have shared recordings involving MHG’s kids, especially since we now know something that was recorded was sent to SS, with him after the fact.

[SillyHorse]

@KurPlexed

This thread would organically die into recipe hell if it wasn’t for them constantly chiming in with such utter nonsense.

Recipe hell