[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459213]
I have made my mind up…:yes:[/QUOTE]
Well, good, then you can go about your business feeling like a superior human being, I guess. Kudos to you.
It’s useful for others to realize that you may believe what you want to believe for no reason, too.
And would show more character for you to simply acknowledge that rather than use the pretense that the settlement proves your point, when it expressly does not.
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459240]
My guess would be that it would act as a stimulant; I really can’t imagine anyone thinking giving it to a jumper would likely enhance performance, but weirder things have occurred. There are more effective, less traceable, cheaper, and more easily procured meds that could be used if one wants to cheat (not to mention ones that don’t run the risk of a felony conviction if caught with them). I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows.[/QUOTE]
LOL now you’re accusing the groom of being a user or a dealer…Yankee lawyer you are a piece of work:lol::lol::lol: Or maybe he never thought they would check for coke…Throw the groom under the bus:lol::lol::lol:
[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459222]
I can believe whatever I want for whatever reason and I may or may not know things I wouldn’t put on this board.[/QUOTE]
Remember that bit about insinuations? If you have documented violations that you know of, dish. Otherwise, don’t pretend that you might have secret condemning info.
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459242]
Well, good, then you can go about your business feeling like a superior human being, I guess. Kudos to you.[/QUOTE]
Hey at least I’m not accuisng MW of being a drug dealer or user like you are accusing the groom of being… I’ve been around 30+ years and I’m friends with many horse trainers and I’ve also groomed for many years as a teenager so I know what goes on and I’m sure I’m jaded because all that I’ve seen and heard.
[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459246]
LOL now you’re accusing the groom of being a user or a dealer…Yankee lawyer you are a piece of work:lol::lol::lol: Or maybe he never thought they would check for coke…Throw the groom under the bus:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
I never said the groom did anything. I said the person tasked with feeding the horse, did I not? Perhaps the owner feeds the horse, or the trainer, or the groom, or some temp person hired to help out at the show one day. Further, I never said that is definitively what did occur. I said it is ONE possibility – and one that HAS been proven to be true in other similar cases. I also suggested that lab contamination is another possibility. And while we are on the topic, it is also possible that some vile person set ML up by giving the horse a banned substance – that too, would not be unheard of in the show world.
BTW, one reason the USEF rules are drafted the way they are is that they don’t want to have to get into lengthy investigations into who gave the horse what. It is easier for them to simply say the trainer is per se responsible, as is the owner, if a horse tests positive. That is why, on my farm, no one is permitted to administer meds other than myself, and I feed at shows. I don’t want to find out the hard way that someone accidentally applied some boo boo cream containing steroids or whatnot in the days leading up to a show.
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459249]
Remember that bit about insinuations? If you have documented violations that you know of, dish. Otherwise, don’t pretend that you might have secret condemning info.[/QUOTE]
Use your own advice, YankeeLawyer writes: I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows. GIVE me a break the grooms feed the horses…LOL
I know the rules and I know someone can screw with someone elses horses when it comes to drugs.
I feed at the shows; I am not a groom. I also rode with a top BNT for many years and she did most of the feeding at shows and administered all meds herself. I learned from her (good) example.
[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459265]
Use your own advice, YankeeLawyer writes: I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows. GIVE me a break the grooms feed the horses…LOL
I know the rules and I know someone can screw with someone elses horses when it comes to drugs.[/QUOTE]
If you cannot distinguish between offering various possible scenarios and making an accusation against a specific person, and between mere allegations and substantiated fact, there really is no point in trying to argue with you.
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459291]
If you cannot distinguish between offering various possible scenarios and making an accusation against a specific person, and between mere allegations and substantiated fact, there really is no point in trying to argue with you.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break:lol::lol::lol:
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459291]
If you cannot distinguish between offering various possible scenarios and making an accusation against a specific person, and between mere allegations and substantiated fact, there really is no point in trying to argue with you.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break you didn’t offer various possibilites you said It is much more likely that the person in charge of feeding the horse is a drug dealer or user…Wonder if we can dig up who the groom was and get them on this board…
Yankee writes: I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows.
I think it’s much more likely that it had nothing to do with the grooms…
Can you read? OR that there was lab contamination… but who knows. I also posited later that someone might have set ML up – I would have offered that to begin with, but thought it so devastatingly obvious as a possibility that there was no reason to point it out.
As to the first possibility, you ASSUMED groom and attributed that assumption to me, incorrectly. In my experience, many people, including grooms, might be the one who feed. And it is a fact that that very scenario has occurred and caused positive test results on occasion (i.e., transfer to feed by someone who uses or handles drugs). In the Shahinian case, there was the theory that the residue was transferred as a result of someone handling money that had been handled by someone else who also handled drugs.
Bye bye
The utility of this thread has been exhausted.
Ridgeback is left defending “the world is flat, I can believe whatever I want no matter what” view by having a rumpelstiltskin-like verbal tantrum.
The thinking adults in the room should retire from this fray!
[QUOTE=HORSEBACKRIDER;3459351]
The utility of this thread has been exhausted.
Ridgeback is left defending “the world is flat, I can believe whatever I want no matter what” view by having a rumpelstiltskin-like verbal tantrum.
The thinking adults in the room should retire from this fray![/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
A good defense lawyer can make anyone look not guilty. 
Oh no! Please go on, this is better than the olympics!
(just kidding)
RIDGEBACK
You sound like a woman scorned the way you go after McLain in all the threads!
Missoula!
Cool. I lived there for a year in the late 1980s. I enjoyed it very much.
Is there much horse activity there now (pleasure riding)?
Seriously? This is ridiculous…This is no discussion it’s a bitch fest. I’m sorry I posted this I am glad that I now know about his alleged doings but I think that if we knew everything that everyone did that was wrong or we didn’t agree with then there wouldn’t be a single horseman left…But seriously I can’t believe everyone managed to turn another thread into a train reck…:no:
[QUOTE=Sundown;3459438]
…But seriously I can’t believe everyone managed to turn another thread into a train reck…:no:[/QUOTE]/
No kidding. Is this COTH or horse show spy? :rolleyes:
