Mclain Ward: True horsemanship

[kkj]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459761]
So are you suggesting that the allegations against MW could not be proved only because he was good at hiding evidence? Wow. Do you guys think before you write?[/QUOTE]

YankeeLawyer, apparently your defense approach is to take a little piece of what someone writes and then distort it. Taken from the whole context of what I wrote, maybe MW is better than his dad at hiding his bad deeds, maybe he was framed. I don’t know what happened, and I would not condemn someone for life on that amount of evidence. If that was all the man had in my eyes done wrong, I wouldn’t even bother to post about him. (Heck there are a lot of other riders out there who have done worse) I know MW is a phenomenally good rider. I know he still credits his dad as his coach even though his dad was sent to prison for evil deeds against horses. That is really all I know.

Since you seem so confident that he is a great person and you knew him as a child and all, I feel compelled to tell you a story. As a kid I knew a boy very well who had a less than ideal family. His mom was on drugs and his dad was a dealer. This boy was always nice, polite, honest and he stated repeatedly that he would not grow up to be a loser like his dad. Fast forward many years, I ran into him at the 10 minute oil change (he was working there) He had prison tats all over and a vacant glossed over look. He told me he had been in jail a couple of times for domestic abuse (hitting his baby’s mama) and suprise suprise drugs. I was very suprised that this smart, honest, wonderful boy had turned out so bad and then I wasn’t. Hey maybe MW is just like you remember him and then again, maybe he has grown into something else. All I know is he still kicks it with Barney.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=kkj;3459836]
YankeeLawyer, apparently your defense approach is to take a little piece of what someone writes and then distort it. Taken from the whole context of what I wrote, maybe MW is better than his dad at hiding his bad deeds, maybe he was framed. I don’t know what happened, and I would not condemn someone for life on that amount of evidence. If that was all the man had in my eyes done wrong, I wouldn’t even bother to post about him. (Heck there are a lot of other riders out there who have done worse) I know MW is a phenomenally good rider. I know he still credits his dad as his coach even though his dad was sent to prison for evil deeds against horses. That is really all I know.

Since you seem so confident that he is a great person and you knew him as a child and all, I feel compelled to tell you a story. As a kid I knew a boy very well who had a less than ideal family. His mom was on drugs and his dad was a dealer. This boy was always nice, polite, honest and he stated repeatedly that he would not grow up to be a loser like his dad. Fast forward many years, I ran into him at the 10 minute oil change (he was working there) He had prison tats all over and a vacant glossed over look. He told me he had been in jail a couple of times for domestic abuse (hitting his baby’s mama) and suprise suprise drugs. I was very suprised that this smart, honest, wonderful boy had turned out so bad and then I wasn’t. Hey maybe MW is just like you remember him and then again, maybe he has grown into something else. All I know is he still kicks it with Barney.[/QUOTE]

I said I have known him SINCE he was little, not that I only knew him when he was little. I personally cannot fault someone for being loyal to and forgiving of their family members.

And Ridgeback, please explain to me how defending MW evidences hypocrisy. I think hypocrisy is more likely to be found in some of the holier-than-thou posts.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=kkj;3459836]
YankeeLawyer, apparently your defense approach is to take a little piece of what someone writes and then distort it. .[/QUOTE]

I didn’t distort what you wrote. You wrote it. If you intended to say something else, then do so.

[ridgeback]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459853]
I said I have known him SINCE he was little, not that I only knew him when he was little. I personally cannot fault someone for being loyal to and forgiving of their family members.

And Ridgeback, please explain to me how defending MW evidences hypocrisy. I think hypocrisy is more likely to be found in some of the holier-than-thou posts.[/QUOTE]

Sorry just can’t get over you saying, “I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows.”

I’m shocked we get attacked for having an opinion on rather the person is a good horseman(nothing about riding ability) who was fined and set down but it’s ok for you to imply it is much more likely the groom was a drug dealer or user and it’s his/her fault…

Lets agree to disagree

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459878]
Sorry just can’t get over you saying, “I think it is much more likely that whoever was tasked with feeding the horse was a user or dealer ans residue transferred from his/her hands, or that there was lab contamination, but who knows.”

I’m shocked we get attacked for having an opinion on rather the person is a good horseman(nothing about riding ability) who was fined and set down but it’s ok for you to imply it is much more likely the groom was a drug dealer or user and it’s his/her fault…

Lets agree to disagree[/QUOTE]

Wow, I already told you, I never said his groom did squat. YOU said that.

[ridgeback]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459916]
Wow, I already told you, I never said his groom did squat. YOU said that.[/QUOTE]

Now now YankeeLawyer you either no nothing about the horse show world or you’re trying to be clever… Grooms feed the horses I can assure you in ALL the years I groomed I never once saw the rider, owner or some joe come in and feed the horses. Now in my experience the rider does medicate.

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459923]
Now now YankeeLawyer you either no nothing about the horse show world or you’re trying to be clever… Grooms feed the horses I can assure you in ALL the years I groomed I never once saw the rider, owner or some joe come in and feed the horses. Now in my experience the rider does medicate.[/QUOTE]

Head bangs desk. On my farm, the policy is I always medicate, and medicate and feed at shows. At my trainer’s BNT farm, she (BNT) does that. Sorry if your experience is more limited. In any event, I clarified MY statements after you indicated your assumption was based on your different experience. My POINT was that there were other reasonable possibilities that were at least equally likely as the one favored by you. Further, the scenarios I described were not pulled out of thin air, but ones known to be the cause in other similar circumstances.

Frankly, I don’t believe for one minute MW would intentionally administer cocaine to a horse as performance-enhancing drug (nevermind that it is dubious whether cocaine would enhance the performance of a hot jumper). As I said, at the time, he was under a microscope for his conduct. If you have been around shows so much, you should know that any time you win it is virtually guaranteed that you are going to be tested. And there are, as a I said, cheaper, better, less detectible, and easier to procure drugs available if someone wants to chaet – ones that do not risk a felony conviction if you are caught with them.

Anyway, I am done with you guys. Feel free to continue your venom spewing. My point was only to correct the record, which was being distorted, and to point out that there are various other possible and highly plausible explanations for the test results.

[ridgeback]

ahh yes you must be a dressage person…well that’s not how it’s done in the hunter/jumper world…:lol::lol: I’ll be out at the KY summer shows and will ask around how many trainers feed their own horses…ha ha ha ha ha bang your head…My experience is not limited :lol: I will let his groom know he/she is being accused of dealing drugs or using coke…

[JA1]

This thread needs severe editing or deleting by the moderators!

Mclain and the entire team should be congratulated!

[Equibrit]

[QUOTE=Madeline;3458670]
Just curious. Other than the alleged plastic chips, what for?[/QUOTE]

Feeding a horse cocaine.

[ridgeback]

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3459938]
Head bangs desk. On my farm, the policy is I always medicate, and medicate and feed at shows. At my trainer’s BNT farm, she (BNT) does that. Sorry if your experience is more limited. In any event, I clarified MY statements after you indicated your assumption was based on your different experience. My POINT was that there were other reasonable possibilities that were at least equally likely as the one favored by you. Further, the scenarios I described were not pulled out of thin air, but ones known to be the cause in other similar circumstances.

Frankly, I don’t believe for one minute MW would intentionally administer cocaine to a horse as performance-enhancing drug (nevermind that it is dubious whether cocaine would enhance the performance of a hot jumper). As I said, at the time, he was under a microscope for his conduct. If you have been around shows so much, you should know that any time you win it is virtually guaranteed that you are going to be tested. And there are, as a I said, cheaper, better, less detectible, and easier to procure drugs available if someone wants to chaet – ones that do not risk a felony conviction if you are caught with them.

Anyway, I am done with you guys. Feel free to continue your venom spewing. My point was only to correct the record, which was being distorted, and to point out that there are various other possible and highly plausible explanations for the test results.[/QUOTE]

Just FYI I didn’t bring up the drug charge and I agree that anyone could do it my issues was with the boots…

[Equibrit]

It is all here;http://books.google.com/books?id=rcj2e6AdOZ8C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=McLain+Ward+suspension+boots&source=web&ots=-KvivlJBrD&sig=_Ys0KVFNDLNhprUFr8m7j4LqtPY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

[YankeeLawyer]

[QUOTE=ridgeback;3459945]
ahh yes you must be a dressage person…well that’s not how it’s done in the hunter/jumper world…:lol::lol: I’ll be out at the KY summer shows and will ask around how many trainers feed their own horses…ha ha ha ha ha bang your head…My experience is not limited :lol: I will let his groom know he/she is being accused of dealing drugs or using coke…[/QUOTE]

(1) I NEVER accused his groom of doing squat; (2) to the extent YOU insist the groom was implicated, you might be aware that it is unlikely that he has the same groom or grooms now that he had for Oliver nearly 10 years ago.

And I showed on the A circuit for 15 years in the H/J, and not just in KY.

[Moderator_1]

And around and around we go… As per our previous post, there are several pre-existing threads on this topic, which is not related to the Olympics, so we’re closing the thread.

Thanks,
Mod 1