[QUOTE=GollyGee;3702994]
Someone has to have the balls to put it up in black n white in the Racing Form, Blood Horse, Thoroughbred Times or MidAtlantic.
Like USEF do the crime get you name up.
Owners should look @ this and consider if they really want to be associated w/ that trainer. When applying for a license in any state trainer needs to show his fines and suspensions frmm every state. Like in Motor Vehicle to may points and DENIED.
I recently got 2 horses both had been thru the same well known claim of fame trainers stable. both when shoes were pulled showed sign of Dex induced lamanitis. Not the end of the road but if left unchecked would have made both useless in short order.
Pressure needs to be applied and not in the form of bleeding hearts but repeals to for states to take a tough “Zero” tolerance.
we all want or schools and campuses to be that way and in industry like airlines. you want to fly w/ a junkie pilot. but its OK to race your horse on drugs.
the Olympics, the Tour D’ France we publically humiliate and show dirty linen, why is this sport so tolerant of abusive unacceptable behavior. And yes I realize it really a money making industry but its not a Fuedal fifedom unto itself.
We have influential owners like Will Farrish w/ never ending pockets who could fund a “Super Fund” along w/ other equally rich owners/breeders for Super test and place pressure inforce stringent escalalting penalties.[/QUOTE]
Is not hard to see that this situation exists because the owners want it to. They are happy with the status quo. It is they who control it with their money. If they found it unnacceptable it would change. The buck stops with owners on this.
George
I have only read about this man through research about my horse. I have NO IDEA how the racing world works. But I did read about his issues in 2006 (I think), when he was sort of “blackballed”. Isn’t that the ultimate form of the owners taking a stand? Maybe they should do that again. Didn’t they all not allow him to put horses up in their barns?
MaryA- that is indeed one of the saddest things I have read in a long time and I looked up this great horse’s record and you are right on.
Gill and Taglianetti (owner and trainer) should be racing cars - not horses.
Lots of drops are because horses are sore - not all, but plenty of them. Maybe more testing of horses that get dropped into a lower class… Maybe real vetchecks of horses that are dropping in class pre race. The vetchecks I watch - they only ever run their hands down the front legs? What’s up with that?
Most vet checks are sub par…they usually watch them jog, either coming off the van or in the barn… the state vet doesnt really have time to do much more than that on race day.
It is just disgusting about those two horses, however, it doesnt seem to bother Gill, or the trainers that work for him… and I agree, they should get into Nascar.
To fill a race, make some owner happy he was earning his keep,just something for him to do since they clearly had no intentions of retiring him. and just maybe the horse was one of the few who was so hooked on his meds and could not would not make it into retirement. I just want to know what he does w/ all of his horses??? Why doesn’t he fund his own retirement far??? He could start his own none profit just for his horses cause when he’s thru so are they!!!
Such a distressing thread that probably explains some of the quirks of one of our horses, a graded stakes winner who spent a month in Gill’s ownership before his prior owners claimed him back.
The prior owners promptly put him BACK in a claimer & I always wondered why.
After reading this, I think maybe they didn’t want to own him, but they didn’t want Gill to have him, either. He was claimed by someone else his next time out.
While I don’t know what, if anything, happened, I can tell you this 9-times winner who was G1-placed never won another race, even in cheap company.
But he did make it out alive & that’s something.
[QUOTE=JHUshoer20;3704059]
Is not hard to see that this situation exists because the owners want it to. They are happy with the status quo. It is they who control it with their money. If they found it unnacceptable it would change. The buck stops with owners on this.
George[/QUOTE]
Right on the money. Things are the way they are because owners/trainers want them that way.
The reason why other parts of the world race with zero drug policies and harsher suspensions, tougher whip rules etc is because they have centralised racing authorities that stand independent of owners/trainers/jockeys/bettors etc and can rule as a somewhat benevolent dictatorship of sorts. You think trainers in Europe would use race day meds if they could? Sure they would, but they have no choice in the matter and don’t have the lobbying power to change the rules. They have to accept what the ruling body deems is good for racing as a sport, not necessarily what’s best for the owners/trainers.
Racing will never get back to where it was until there is one centralized governing body. It’s pretty stupid that a Clen Buterol positive in one state can be 15 or 30 days and in others, it’s just a loss of purse. Makes no sense.
As I said about a month ago and got blasted, the only thing that is going to allow for this change to happen is heavy pressure from the Federal Government. Nobody wants the government involved espeically this Libertarian, but in this instance, that is the only thing that is going to turn the tide in the other direction.
A win is a win when you’re only interested in an Eclipse award at the expense every horse you can get your hands on. The man should be ashamed of himself.
Ugh … the goal of Mike Gill for this year:
Gill’s goal in 2009 is to break the single-season record of 494 victories set by Dan Lasater in 1974, a mark that Gill narrowly missed when he finished the 2004 season with 487 victories and $10.8 million in earnings.
In addition, Gill said he feels confident he can now turn a profit with the blue-collar runners he buys, thanks to the slots-enhanced purses at Penn National and Philadelphia Park.
“I didn’t like the way I left,” Gill said, when asked why he changed his mind about getting back into racing. “I’m not one to get pushed around. I intend to break the world record and make money doing it.”
“I’m smarter now,” Gill said. “If I can’t make a profit this time, then I’ll leave.”
Daily Racing Form Jan 13, 2009 “Gill gets back in the thick of things”
Oh for petes sake… go away already!
I wonder how this horse will do under Gill’s operations …
Horse of Delaware Valley - March 2009
5th time’s charm for trainer, 17
By MARTHA BARBONE – BENSALEM, Pa.–It took five tries, preceded by a nearly a year of rehab, before Bravo’s Princess’s owner, 17-year-old Gina Perri, finally got a photo op with her mare in the winner’s circle at Philadelphia Park on Feb. 15. As gratifying as it was for Perri, who is also Princess’s de facto trainer, the euphoria was short lived when, to her surprise, the 5-year-old was claimed that day by Michael Gill of Elk Creek Ranch in Oxford, Pa.
Bravo’s Princess, ran under Gill, March 9th at Philadelphia Park and finished off the board
She races next March 28th - Race 5 in for a claim of $7,500 and a race purse of $18k
Gill is so bad at claiming it’s almost laughable. Not only does he claim maidens, but he claims bad or questionable madiens. It’s actually rare that you see any of his claims win back off the claim on the raise, probably less than 20% if I had to guess. It’s a strange operation to say the least.
Big losses equal big tax write offs.
Ditto. He makes me want to puke.
I heard he needs to bring in $220,000 a week in purses to pay his overhead. I guess with 250 horses + myectomies + hauling, etc., that total may not be that far off.
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3802498]
Oh for petes sake… go away already![/QUOTE]
I know a few years ago your husband was sucking up pretty good trying to get a training job with him which he was never offered.
Did someone put a troll beacon on this website? It seems like they are heading here like lemmings the past couple of days.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;3976920]
Did someone put a troll beacon on this website? It seems like they are heading here like lemmings the past couple of days.[/QUOTE]
I have to concur with you there. For what used to be a fairly quiet and low key forum it seemingly is suffering from a lot of snarky folks who have grudges against specific people …
Grudges?
Are you talking about “grudges” against Michael Gill?
Anybody remember Casual Conflict? Can’t prove it, but we KNOW that horse was nerved. Mr. Gill has a lot of medical knowledge for a banker or whatever he is; he spent more money than God got on horse medical stuff; he’s known to pay money to certain disreputable persons. Of this, I have personal knowledge. My great-uncle worked the back side all over this country, East coast, Florida, Louisiana, New York, everywhere but California. Uncle J knew Mr. Gill well even though Mr. Gill probably didn’t know Uncle J… but you may rest assured my uncle knew Mr. Gill. Everything Uncle J knew, it was ALL bad.
Everyone loves TB horses or racing needs to keep eyes on certain people.
