Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

I’m not sure why you posted your link but thanks for providing this group therapy information. Did you mean for one of us to broadcast it or share it with Greystone? How great it would be if Greystone offered group therapy or any therapy!! What a novel idea! A psychiatric facility offering actual mental health care rather than pages torn out of children’s coloring books! Maybe you could direct your meaningful link to the Directors of Greystone, Ann Klein and any other psychiatric facility in the State of NJ and maybe get them to actually do their damn jobs as directed by court order!!

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Commodus, I hear, was an acquired taste.

The important takeaway from the movie? In the director’s commentary, Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe explain that the names of the horses on Maximus’ breastplate, “Argento” and “Scatto” (not Scarto, the movie’s subtitles are wrong), mean silver and trigger (Argento=silver, Scatto=mechanical latch, or trigger). I find that endlessly amusing given Roy Rogers’ Trigger and the Lone Rangers’ Silver. Coincidence?

And Maximus’ ass kicking soldier dog? It was a (short coated, or they cut her coat down) Tervuren Belgian Shepherd. She was female and her name was Kyte. She had quite a TV and film career in Europe.

See? At last a HH comment led to some knowledge of value!

Alas, poor Commodus suffered because he wanted the greatness and adoration the people had for his father Marcus Aurelius, but he didn’t want to do the work.

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It’s literally terrifying. And we are the lucky ones who have a great family doctor and who can afford private therapy / counselling. It’s not enough but it’s better than nothing, that’s for sure.

Watching someone you love struggle with addiction isn’t any better. They are killing themselves slowly right in front of your eyes and you can’t stop them. I hope your family was able to get help.

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Huh. Very interesting!

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There are two people who think they are are dictating this conversation. The rest of this is stupid.

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Yes. Our universal care in Canada is great in that nobody goes without basic care and nobody goes bankrupt because of an illness or accident. But it is by no means comprehensive.

What is usually covered (not a complete list):

  • doctor visits
  • specialist visits (by referral only)
  • hospital visits and all tests / treatments performed there
  • tests ordered by a doctor (blood work, X-ray, ultrasound, CT, MRI, etc)
  • all medically required surgeries and associated costs for hospital stays
  • routine eye exams for children / seniors (this varies province to province)
  • basic dental care for children / seniors (some provinces but not mine)
  • chemotherapy
  • giving birth in hospital
  • registered dieticians
  • mandatory childhood vaccinations plus flu shots for all ages
  • screening tests ordered by a doctor such as mammograms, colonoscopies, Pap smears, bone density tests, etc.

Most people with full-time jobs have employer-paid insurance that covers some or all of what’s not included in our universal health care. Some plans will pay 75%, some 100%. Some services, such as mental health counselling or physiotherapy generally have an annual maximum.

If both members of a couple have insurance through their jobs, they get covered by both but you can’t get paid twice for the same thing. For example my insurance has a yearly maximum of $500 for chiropractic. Once I hit that, my husband’s insurance kicks in. But I can’t submit a claim to both insurers for the same invoice, if that makes sense.

Here’s a sample of what’s not covered in most provinces:

  • dentist visits and treatments
    -orthodontics / braces
  • Eye exams (some provinces cover kids and / or seniors)
  • Glasses and contacts
  • Paramedical service providers such as physiotherapists, chiropractors, massage therapists, naturopaths, osteopaths, etc.
  • medical supplies such as crutches, splints, braces, etc.
  • cosmetic surgeries
  • laser eye surgery to improve vision
  • prescription medications
  • mental health services from a psychologist, therapist, counsellor, etc (only psychiatrists are covered, as they are medical doctors)
  • hearing tests and hearing aids
  • non-mandatory vaccinations (usually for travel but also some for adults such as shingles, pneumonia, etc)

It’s far from perfect but most Canadians feel fortunate that we all have the same access to basic care.

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Thanks. Me too.

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@BigMama1 I am so sorry for what you are going thorough. My eating disorders and suicidal ideation plague me to this day. Huge hugs to you.

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Wouldn’t it though? I’m not sure Hut and CH comprehend that “groups” are not the same as “group therapy.” Groups provide activities, such as art, or woodworking or exercise. They can be beneficial, but that’s not therapy. Group therapy is a structured group treatment program led by a qualified mental health provider. It can incorporate activities such as music, art, equine assisted learning, etc. to assist with achieving treatment plan goals, but that’s doesn’t mean colouring with a group of people is automatically therapy.

The groups at Greystone are not group therapy and are not led by mental health experts - a fact which has been clearly explained numerous times now. Those who don’t wish to understand that aren’t going to despite what anyone says, so there’s not much point in responding to them.

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Wow! Thank you @BigMama1! Most Americans believe it is much more comprehensive than it really is. But I agree, it is definitely better than what the US has for all. Thank you very much for your detailed explanation.

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If it’s the book on trucks, I only saw it in hardback which he is not allowed to receive.

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Yes!!! This! ^^

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I appreciate that, thank you. It will be a lifelong struggle for her. I always attributed my own struggles with depression, anxiety, disordered eating, and compulsive behaviours to childhood trauma and my father’s suicide. But watching this daughter is like watching myself as a teenager, and makes me more convinced there’s a genetic component. My older daughter doesn’t have that gene. She struggles with anxiety but in what I would call a “normal” way, that can be managed with exercise, talking out problems, etc.

I did hope that both my kids would dodge this particular bullet entirely, but at least by recognizing the younger one’s condition and getting her professional help now, at her young age, I hope her path will be easier than mine, as I went unnoticed / undiagnosed /untreated until well into adulthood.

That’s why the one thing I won’t criticize LK for is her addiction and use of suboxone to manage it. That tells me at least she is trying to treat it and has sought professional help, even if she doesn’t always manage to stick to a treatment plan. To be clear, that is absolutely no excuse for her horrifying behaviour at MB’s farm and with the many other people in her past she seems to have tortured. Good people can be addicts. Bad people can be addicts. It’s not addiction or mental illness that makes someone a good or bad human being.

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Exactly!!!

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She is free of it now, for these last ten years, she’s in her 40s. Took a long long time. Thank you, she’s graduating Temple University this year in international business and is comptroller of a design firm. Very proud. She did it herself. Not always possible with eating disorders, I realize not the same. I will be thinking if you and tours.

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Truly curious, Hut, did you think none of us knew what group therapy was? I am not sure the point of this post.

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We removed an inappropriate comment and a response to it and have addressed it with the user.

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I must not be paying enough attention because I have no idea what comment was inappropriate enough to be removed. There have been so many over the last few months!

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I definitely agree.

I hope your daughter’s path will be easier too. Mine was not as bad as others’, but for me at least, the scars remain. I may no longer have eating disorders, but a wonky metabolism and body image issues are its legacy. I may no longer have suicidal
Ideation, but its dark specter lurks in the distance, and I fear its return. I wouldn’t wish mental illness on anyone. It’s truly a lifelong struggle.

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:worried: I’ve come to realize that most of us have overcome major obstacles in our lives relating to mental health. Admitting we have issues is the first start.

I admire the heck out of those who have been so courageous to post their experiences here. Major hugs and much respect to all of you.

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