Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[jvanrens]

Googling Tom Corea AQHA gets some interesting results.

Amarillo Court of Appeals Affirms $60k Sanctions Award in AQHA Case

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@omare

It would seem from a legal aspect, the co-owners showing the degree of control over the farm’s day to day business (to the extent that MB did not have the authority to let LK stay there), yet showing the co-owners did not having actual knowledge she was there, maybe in tension with each other?

Isn’t there likely a paper trail of a co-ownership business agreement, pattern (or lack) of involvement in the daily business or larger projects, who signed boarding agreements, etc.? If there is nothing written (maybe that is how everyone rolled) I would think co-owners need to show a pattern of control and decision making as co-owners. It is always interesting to see how lawyers build a case–Would MB and LK lawyers be both trying to establish MB was authorized to let her stay there??(Or is there an advantage for co-owners to be united on this front?

There’s no question that LK was shot and badly injured on property owned by SGF.

SGF and MB are different legal entities; SGF leased the property to MB or MB Dressage. I think the SGF lawyers are claiming MB was not authorized to allow LK to live on the premises by the terms of his lease of the property.

I think SGF subpoenaing all JKs communications with RG, MB, LK, and the other SGF owners is intended to document that it was MB, not SGF, that agreed to let her lived there.

The liability for LKs injuries will be apportioned among the four parties — SGF, MB, RC, and LK herself. The percent liability assigned to the parties will add to 100%.

Since it is clear MB agreed to let her live there, I think his interests are in conflict with those of SGF on this issue— if SGF manages to get itself excused from suit, the liability for LKs injuries will be split between the remaining three parties.

I guess it did not occur to people that JK not cooperating with the subpoena demands of SGF might actually benefit MB.

Would LK care about whether liability is assigned to MB vs SGF? Yes, she would. She demanded a jury trial, and my reading is that juries are much more likely to make huge dollar awards if the liable party is an insurance company rather than a person.

It’s not in the interests of either LK or MB to have the brilliant Mr Silver succeed in getting SGF dismissed from the case.

[3PonyFarm]

@ekat, there are two more filings, one by GAS and the other by Judge S.

[3PonyFarm]

CivilCaseJacket (1).pdf (258.7 KB) CivilCaseJacket (2).pdf (289.2 KB)

We shall see if this worked. I think it did. Yay!

Edit - GAS appears to being going back in time to 2022

[omare]

ok, I thought they were co-owners of the property–oops me-I image a lease would be easier to parse out.

[Syrynx]

Wow so discovery has been extended to September of this year? And that came from Judge Sceusi? Now I understand a bit more how these types of cases go on and on and on and on.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@omare

ok, I thought they were co-owners of the property–oops me-I image a lease would be easier to parse out.

MB is one of the partners or owners of SGF, LLC, which owned Hawthorne Hill.

SGF then leased the farm to MB or MBD.

[3PonyFarm]

They must extend them in hopes that another judge has to deal with it.

[trubandloki]

@3PonyFarm

They must extend them in hopes that another judge has to deal with it.

That filing was by the old judge. Note that one of the dates has already passed. See line 6.

[3PonyFarm]

I was thinking of line 5. I did see that line 6 had a prior date listed. Why they would do that I dont know.

[trubandloki]

It is in there. These are things they all agreed to in the prior case management meeting.

So strange that Team Kanarek is now asking for another delay.

[MHM]

Did anyone else think the former head of Disney was suddenly involved in the case? Lol.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@omare

It would seem from a legal aspect, the co-owners showing the degree of control over the farm’s day to day business (to the extent that MB did not have the authority to let LK stay there), yet showing the co-owners did not having actual knowledge she was there, maybe in tension with each other?

Isn’t there likely a paper trail of a co-ownership business agreement, pattern (or lack) of involvement in the daily business or larger projects, who signed boarding agreements, etc.? If there is nothing written (maybe that is how everyone rolled) I would think co-owners need to show a pattern of control and decision making as co-owners. It is always interesting to see how lawyers build a case–Would MB and LK lawyers be both trying to establish MB was authorized to let her stay there??(Or is there an advantage for co-owners to be united on this front?

There’s no question that LK was shot and badly injured on property owned by SGF.

SGF and MB are different legal entities; SGF leased the property to MB or MB Dressage. I think the SGF lawyers are claiming MB was not authorized to allow LK to live on the premises by the terms of his lease of the property.

I think SGF subpoenaing all JKs communications with RG, MB, LK, and the other SGF owners is intended to document that it was MB, not SGF, that agreed to let her lived there.

The liability for LKs injuries will be apportioned among the four parties — SGF, MB, RC, and LK herself. The percent liability assigned to the parties will add to 100%.

Since it is clear MB agreed to let her live there, I think his interests are in conflict with those of SGF on this issue— if SGF manages to get itself excused from suit, the liability for LKs injuries will be split between the remaining three parties.

I guess it did not occur to people that JK not cooperating with the subpoena demands of SGF might actually benefit MB.

Would LK care about whether liability is assigned to MB vs SGF? Yes, she would. She demanded a jury trial, and my reading is that juries are much more likely to make huge dollar awards if the liable party is an insurance company rather than a person.

It’s not in the interests of either LK or MB to have the brilliant Mr Silver succeed in getting SGF dismissed from the case.

@CurrentlyHorseless, for a change I am going to respond to individual lines so will have parts of your post quoted again. I am leaving the post as a whole post here above just so there is no confusion about what your whole post was. Do not want anyone missing the whole movie from your head, right?

I see we are once again ignoring the @CurrentlyHorseless rule of having to be there to know anything, got it. Was that rule not working well for you?

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think SGF subpoenaing all JKs communications with RG, MB, LK, and the other SGF owners is intended to document that it was MB, not SGF, that agreed to let her lived there.

The actions of SGF look more like they are looking for what role Lauren Kanarek and Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) played in the events that happened, and how Lauren Kanarek exacerbated, instead of mitigated her damages. @CurrentlyHorseless, I assume you remember that whole comparative negligence thing, where these bits of information could put Lauren Kanarek entirely at fault.

@CurrentlyHorseless

The liability for LKs injuries will be apportioned among the four parties — SGF, MB, RC, and LK herself. The percent liability assigned to the parties will add to 100%.

To be clear, I know, that is so over rated by some, but it will help others who want to understand, if Lauren Kanarek is determined to be 51% liable for the situation, she loses her case.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Since it is clear MB agreed to let her live there,

Oh @CurrentlyHorseless, this proclamation really does require me to invoke the @CurrentlyHorseless - were you there - rule.
Clear to who? Under what agreement?
Are you, @CurrentlyHorseless, trying to pretend to be an insider with facts again?
No worries, we believe you that you are not an insider, so clearly you have no facts on this topic. But it is fun to watch you pretend.

@CurrentlyHorseless

if SGF manages to get itself excused from suit, the liability for LKs injuries will be split between the remaining three parties.

Please read the response above about Lauren Kanarek being found 51% responsible and losing.

@CurrentlyHorseless

She demanded a jury trial

All parties involved demanded a jury trial, @CurrentlyHorseless. I assume you were not trying to mislead people by saying in a way that implied that only Lauren Kanarek wanted a jury trial.
Though, the actions of Lauren and her parents, Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) and Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1) make it seem like she really does not want to move forward to the jury trial or any other trial in the civil case that she filed.

@CurrentlyHorseless

my reading is that juries are much more likely to make huge dollar awards if the liable party is an insurance company rather than a person.

@CurrentlyHorseless, I feel like you have gone to the Hut school of reading on this point. Your reading is not fully accurate, or maybe your representation of your reading is not fully accurate…who knows.
The huge dollar award requires the jury to believe that the insured party is liable.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I guess it did not occur to people that JK not cooperating with the subpoena demands of SGF might actually benefit MB.

So, @CurrentlyHorseless, we are now to believe that Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) is trying to help Michael?
Jonathan Kanarek is ignoring subpoenas and court orders in an attempt to help Michael. Sorry if I find that very hard to believe.

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s not in the interests of either LK or MB to have the brilliant Mr Silver succeed in getting SGF dismissed from the case.

Now this is exciting. We all agree on something. Not the point you are making but it is still exciting that we agree, right @CurrentlyHorseless?
Mr. Silver is quite brilliant. I am so hoping we will get to see him in action at that jury trial.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

All parties involved demanded a jury trial, @CurrentlyHorseless. I assume you were not trying to mislead people by saying in a way that implied that only Lauren Kanarek wanted a jury trial.

Both LK and MB demanded a jury trial. Did “all parties” including SGF demand a jury trial?

Juries tend to assign liability to the insurance company or corporation rather than actual people, and then make larger awards if the insurance company is liable, so I can see why both LK and MB want a jury trial.

However, I would have thought that SGF would have preferred the case decided by a judge. Judges sometimes reduce the overly large awards determined by juries.

Did SGF demand a jury trial?

I don’t think LK will be determined to be 51% liable via contributory negligence.

Whether you tag me once, or multiple times in a given post, the system only sends me a single notification per post, @trubandloki. Perhaps you were unaware of that if no one has tagged you six times in a single post.

[Ambitious_Kate]

OMG. What a pathetic joke.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Whether you tag me once, or multiple times in a given post, the system only sends me a single notification per post, @trubandloki. Perhaps you were unaware of that if no one has tagged you six times in a single post.

Of course she’s aware, she’s just following your lead….

[Syrynx]

LOL I thought that name looked familiar but couldn’t think of why.

[Sdel]

@MHM

Did anyone else think the former head of Disney was suddenly involved in the case? Lol.

That is Iger and he is no longer a former head. He’s back.

[MHM]

@Sdel

@MHM

Did anyone else think the former head of Disney was suddenly involved in the case? Lol.

That is Iger and he is no longer a former head. He’s back.

Michael Eisner

[eggbutt]

I can imagine, per the movie in my head, that the Lundbergs were well aware of the living arrangement MB had with LK&extended family. Remember the “crude lease agreement”? Crude being the operative word. My belief is Michael was told to handle the business any way he saw fit and do what he believed to be in the best interest of the Group.

And to think some posters on this forum used to accuse me and others of making up fantasies and presenting them as facts… that is until the criminal trial showed so many of us to have been 100% correct in our speculations.

I hope GAS is as good a 48D chess player as the KKrew. He’s going to need his wiles to protect himself from their back door actions.

Someone told me yesterday there are many, many people like the Kanareks in the world, praying on the weak, gullible and just for fun. Perhaps we, on this forum, are helping others to recognize this kind of smut in everyday life and steer very clear.