Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[EmilyM]

@Knights_Mom

LK wouldn’t let RG “bill” MB because she knew RG was an unlicensed contractor and a bill for work would be proof positive of illegalities performed. And as I’ve stated prior and as JK probably knew from being an attorney, that unlicensed work performed would in court incur treble damages and a judgment against RG for triple the $$$ charged in that bill.

I think you are giving too much credit. I recall in the trial on day two of RG testimony, RG came up with the butt covering statement that Michael as owner could pull permits, and therefore he(RG) wasn’t violating the law. I think that happened because of the K debrief after testimony of his first day. You know the testimony that he wasn’t supposed to discuss outside of court. He had been tripped up on the unlicensed contractor thing Day 1.

[MorganSercu]

Except I think that was inaccurate. NJ legal eagles (for real), am I correct?

[EmilyM]

my only point was i’m not sure they considered the unlicensed contractor issues prior to him being questioned on the stand. or reading about it here!

[trubandloki]

@EmilyM

my only point was i’m not sure they considered the unlicensed contractor issues prior to him being questioned on the stand. or reading about it here!

They would have read about it here long before the trial.
So, if they did not consider it before the trial it was their own fault.

[3PonyFarm]

What is all this fuss I keep hearing about violins on television?

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Agreed.

At the very least, The stuffed animals and carpet on the walls have got to go. People hate popcorn ceilings they have to scrape. Getting rid of all those stuffed animals? What a PITA. That’s going to inevitably involve replacing drywall.

You don’t necessarily have to scrape popcorn ceilings according to my contractor. If you have enough height you can just sheet rock over the popcorn ceiling with a lot less effort unless there’s molding or other impediment.

[Knights_Mom]

@EmilyM

@Knights_Mom

LK wouldn’t let RG “bill” MB because she knew RG was an unlicensed contractor and a bill for work would be proof positive of illegalities performed. And as I’ve stated prior and as JK probably knew from being an attorney, that unlicensed work performed would in court incur treble damages and a judgment against RG for triple the $$$ charged in that bill.

I think you are giving too much credit. I recall in the trial on day two of RG testimony, RG came up with the butt covering statement that Michael as owner could pull permits, and therefore he(RG) wasn’t violating the law. I think that happened because of the K debrief after testimony of his first day. You know the testimony that he wasn’t supposed to discuss outside of court. He had been tripped up on the unlicensed contractor thing Day 1.

The burden is on the contractor.

[Knights_Mom]

@3PonyFarm

What is all this fuss I keep hearing about violins on television?

That’s due to endangered feces.

[Sdel]

@EmilyM

I think you are giving too much credit. I recall in the trial on day two of RG testimony, RG came up with the butt covering statement that Michael as owner could pull permits, and therefore he(RG) wasn’t violating the law. I think that happened because of the K debrief after testimony of his first day. You know the testimony that he wasn’t supposed to discuss outside of court. He had been tripped up on the unlicensed contractor thing Day 1.

RG came up with this? Or CH came up with this?

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@EmilyM

I think you are giving too much credit. I recall in the trial on day two of RG testimony, RG came up with the butt covering statement that Michael as owner could pull permits, and therefore he(RG) wasn’t violating the law. I think that happened because of the K debrief after testimony of his first day. You know the testimony that he wasn’t supposed to discuss outside of court. He had been tripped up on the unlicensed contractor thing Day 1.

RG came up with this? Or CH came up with this?

It was spoken about here perhaps by LK herself. Was a long time ago.

[EmilyM]

@Sdel

RG came up with this? Or CH came up with this

RG on the stand. It’s like he consulted someone overnight to come up with it. I don’t remember the specifics but I remember the general idea. I only bring it up because I’m saying I doubt they had forethought about it when they were executing the FTB plan

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

You have my post there, so if you are interested in learning “what the Sam Hill” I’m talking about, just look at the post I’m responding to, @Ambitious_Kate.

I did. Its all word salad, @CurrentlyHorseless

I’m sorry you still don’t understand the question I was responding to, @Ambitious_Kate.

[Jealoushe]

My biological father put his profession down as “professional gambler” for tax purposes. Then he could claim he only made the bare minimum and paid the lowest taxes. He was actually a very successful antique dealer who made a lot of money. He was a shyster. Could that be a reason?

As far as settlement offers, it’s always best to take the first settlement offer unless your case is a slam dunk case of negligence. As the case moves on the settlement offer becomes less and less and to go to trial you risk not getting anything or a very small reward from the judge. At least here in Canada that is typical. I always advise to really consider the first offer as it’s likely the best you will get!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

Occam’s razor

Precisely.

So if the jury thinks that there is a strong possibility he acted in self defense (even if he was out of his gourd and suffering a psychotic break at the time)?

Guess what?

LK will not be awarded any damages related to her gunshot. Period.

I do not think the self defense claim will fly given by that he brought the gun to the scene. It didn’t fly at the criminal trial.

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Have they talked about how NGRI doesn’t really mean not guilty lately?

They do so love to pound on that point.

LOL. You just made the point!

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

Shot by whom? Rosie?

There’s as much physical evidence that Rosie did it as MB.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

Occam’s razor

Precisely.

So if the jury thinks that there is a strong possibility he acted in self defense (even if he was out of his gourd and suffering a psychotic break at the time)?

Guess what?

LK will not be awarded any damages related to her gunshot. Period.

I do not think the self defense claim will fly given by that he brought the gun to the scene. It didn’t fly at the criminal trial.

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

So @CurrentlyHorseless , if I get shot in your front yard by a gun brought into your yard by someone other than you, you, @CurrentlyHorseless, are responsible? Got it.

I did not get that there was proof that the shots in Lauren Kanarek’s body came from that specific gun.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

Shot by whom? Rosie?

There’s as much physical evidence that Rosie did it as MB.

In terms of liability assessed against RC and SGF for the presence of the gun on the property, it doesn’t even matter who shot LK, just that she was shot.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

I did not get that there was proof that the shots in Lauren Kanarek’s body came from that specific gun.

The recovered shell casings were determined to have come from the gun that was traced to RC.

I don’t have a front yard. But if I were a property owner who knowingly permitted guns to come onto my property and such a gun was used to shoot someone, yes, I’d worry about liability as the property owner. If I owned real estate, I’d carry liability insurance. I’d expect the insurance company to defend me against being sued as the property owner as part of the service provided by the liability coverage.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I do not think the self defense claim will fly given by that he brought the gun to the scene. It didn’t fly at the criminal trial.

She was shot on SGF property with a gun provided by RC.

Isn’t it possible that:

1. He brought the gun to the scene
2. When he arrived on the scene, LK/RG tried to assault him… after all, they both have an EXTENSIVE record involving repeated assault charges
3. He then fired the gun he had on his person in self defense

I think that scenario is possible.

Question for you, CH

Are you operating on the assumption that all evidence and testimony regarding LK & RGs criminal pasts will be kept from the jury again during a civil trial? It seems like you are making that assumption.