Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

So who are my “associates” in this little musing, VHM?

You’re talking about unfair accusations and characterizations, VHM? Seriously?

Didn’t you just proudly associate yourself with Sierra Mist a few posts ago?

Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

As usual, I can sense your frustration about my continuing references to LKs personal issues, including her lengthy arrest record, her professional history, the source of her funds, and the her father’s curious lack of professional history, other than the whole “Gambling and Casino Professional” thing. I know you think it’s unfair of me to draw attention to these things. The good news is… discovery has begun in the case, and MBs attorneys are ready, willing and able to depose Lauren. She can go ahead and just answer any and all questions… under oath… that they have for her about her personal background.

What could be more fair than Lauren simply answering questions about herself?

The truth will set her free, and sunlight is the best disinfectant… right?

Yes, I’m proud to be associated with Sierra Mist. What “nonsense” are you accusing her of starting?

Yes, let’s talk about your focus on LKs personal history, including what you now refer to as her “arrest record”.

You claimed to be previewing what sort of stuff she would face in the civil trial. I can see that her actual criminal record (ie record of criminal convictions) would be fair game, but in terms of the civil trial, I would think the court system, with the principle of the presumption of innocence would not permit the introduction of arrests or charges which were later dropped without convictions.

Do you think these arrests without conviction will be used in the civil trial?

If no, why do you keep bringing them up? I think arrests without convictions will not be used in the civil trial, because it’s unfairly prejudicial.

Smearing LK by continually harping on these arrests is allowed in trial by SM, it appears. Is that why you keep bringing it up? Not because you’re claiming it’s a preview of what will be included in the civil trial but because you think MBs lawyers will not be able to make use of it in the trial?

I appreciate the moderators forcing you to acknowledge there is a public record of charges but not convictions. It’s a very important distinction.

LK requested that she be deposed virtually and the judge granted her request. I expect she will complete the deposition as ordered. All this yammering that she is refusing to be deposed when in fact she simply asked to be deposed virtually is not.”sunlight”. It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

[ekat]

@Jealoushe

I wonder why they could get the texts sent from the phone but not the files sent. I would assume it was all through the phone but maybe not?

It’s all in the pleadings. SGF had copies provided by MB’s team. They wanted the authenticated docs from MCPO.

[eggbutt]

Bless your heart. I’m done with you, yet again. You have become incredibly boring with nothing to contribute of interest.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Jealoushe

I wonder why they could get the texts sent from the phone but not the files sent. I would assume it was all through the phone but maybe not?

The files were sent in an email, I think.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

@eggbutt

Uh, you seem to be quite envious/jealous of being on the wrong side of the facts and therefore excluded from the popular opinion, not just on these threads but elsewhere. Why attack so vehemently?

Wrong @eggbutt. They come across as angry that LK didn’t get away with it. And angry that none of their efforts have convinced anyone outside of the small circle that planned it that Michael is anything but the real victim.

Yes, of course you are correct! Their master plan failed BIGTIME. Tick-tock.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Bless your heart. I’m done with you, yet again. You have become incredibly boring with nothing to contribute of interest.

You’re “done with me, yet again”. LOL.

I wonder how long that will last.

[eggbutt]

As long as I want it to

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

So who are my “associates” in this little musing, VHM?

You’re talking about unfair accusations and characterizations, VHM? Seriously?

Didn’t you just proudly associate yourself with Sierra Mist a few posts ago?

Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

As usual, I can sense your frustration about my continuing references to LKs personal issues, including her lengthy arrest record, her professional history, the source of her funds, and the her father’s curious lack of professional history, other than the whole “Gambling and Casino Professional” thing. I know you think it’s unfair of me to draw attention to these things. The good news is… discovery has begun in the case, and MBs attorneys are ready, willing and able to depose Lauren. She can go ahead and just answer any and all questions… under oath… that they have for her about her personal background.

What could be more fair than Lauren simply answering questions about herself?

The truth will set her free, and sunlight is the best disinfectant… right?

Yes, I’m proud to be associated with Sierra Mist. What “nonsense” are you accusing her of starting?

Yes, let’s talk about your focus on LKs personal history, including what you now refer to as her “arrest record”.

You claimed to be previewing what sort of stuff she would face in the civil trial. I can see that her actual criminal record (ie record of criminal convictions) would be fair game, but in terms of the civil trial, I would think the court system, with the principle of the presumption of innocence would not permit the introduction of arrests or charges which were later dropped without convictions.

Do you think these arrests without conviction will be used in the civil trial?

If no, why do you keep bringing them up? I think arrests without convictions will not be used in the civil trial, because it’s unfairly prejudicial.

Smearing LK by continually harping on these arrests is allowed in trial by SM, it appears. Is that why you keep bringing it up? Not because you’re claiming it’s a preview of what will be included in the civil trial but because you think MBs lawyers will not be able to make use of it in the trial?

I appreciate the moderators forcing you to acknowledge there is a public record of charges but not convictions. It’s a very important distinction.

LK requested that she be deposed virtually and the judge granted her request. I expect she will complete the deposition as ordered. All this yammering that she is refusing to be deposed when in fact she simply asked to be deposed virtually is not.”sunlight”. It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

We do not think LK’s arrests without convictions will be used in the civil trial.

We know they will be if Michael’s attorneys are worth their salt because it is common practice in civil trials.

There. I even put it in bold @CurrentlyHorseless so you could read that particular sentence repeatedly, and ruminate on it, and actually perhaps eventually comprehend it.

It has been said here repeatedly and is a well known 100% fact- in a civil trial everything is open for discussion. You had better damn well believe that every skeleton, every dirty little secret you have is going to be drug out.

Be prepared and be ready because the fecal matter is going to hit the rotary oscillator!

Do I need to explain that last sentence to you @CurrentlyHorseless???

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

As long as I want it to

6 minutes!

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

Speaking of…

@CurrentlyHorseless

Time and hospital and medical care that he decided not to pay for . Gotta save his funds for the lawyer expenses.

Lawyer expenses for his defense and also to file a suit as plaintiff against the town authorities, including the policemen who probably saved the life of LK.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

So who are my “associates” in this little musing, VHM?

You’re talking about unfair accusations and characterizations, VHM? Seriously?

Didn’t you just proudly associate yourself with Sierra Mist a few posts ago?

Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

As usual, I can sense your frustration about my continuing references to LKs personal issues, including her lengthy arrest record, her professional history, the source of her funds, and the her father’s curious lack of professional history, other than the whole “Gambling and Casino Professional” thing. I know you think it’s unfair of me to draw attention to these things. The good news is… discovery has begun in the case, and MBs attorneys are ready, willing and able to depose Lauren. She can go ahead and just answer any and all questions… under oath… that they have for her about her personal background.

What could be more fair than Lauren simply answering questions about herself?

The truth will set her free, and sunlight is the best disinfectant… right?

Yes, I’m proud to be associated with Sierra Mist. What “nonsense” are you accusing her of starting?

Yes, let’s talk about your focus on LKs personal history, including what you now refer to as her “arrest record”.

You claimed to be previewing what sort of stuff she would face in the civil trial. I can see that her actual criminal record (ie record of criminal convictions) would be fair game, but in terms of the civil trial, I would think the court system, with the principle of the presumption of innocence would not permit the introduction of arrests or charges which were later dropped without convictions.

Do you think these arrests without conviction will be used in the civil trial?

If no, why do you keep bringing them up? I think arrests without convictions will not be used in the civil trial, because it’s unfairly prejudicial.

Smearing LK by continually harping on these arrests is allowed in trial by SM, it appears. Is that why you keep bringing it up? Not because you’re claiming it’s a preview of what will be included in the civil trial but because you think MBs lawyers will not be able to make use of it in the trial?

I appreciate the moderators forcing you to acknowledge there is a public record of charges but not convictions. It’s a very important distinction.

LK requested that she be deposed virtually and the judge granted her request. I expect she will complete the deposition as ordered. All this yammering that she is refusing to be deposed when in fact she simply asked to be deposed virtually is not.”sunlight”. It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

We do not think LK’s arrests without convictions will be used in the civil trial.

We know they will be if Michael’s attorneys are worth their salt because it is common practice in civil trials.

There. I even put it in bold @CurrentlyHorseless so you could read that particular sentence repeatedly, and ruminate on it, and actually perhaps eventually comprehend it.

It has been said here repeatedly and is a well known 100% fact- in a civil trial everything is open for discussion. You had better damn well believe that every skeleton, every dirty little secret you have is going to be drug out.

Be prepared and be ready because the fecal matter is going to his the rotary oscillator!

Do I need to explain that last sentence to you @CurrentlyHorseless???

I was asking @Virginia_Horse_Mom specifically, as she was the one bringing up LKs “arrest record”, and I take her posts seriously. Have you deputized cutter to speak on your behalf. VHM?

You do not need to explain the last sentence. I don’t have the same fixation on fecal matter and farts that you do, @cutter, but I understood that sentence perfectly well.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

Uh, you seem to be quite envious/jealous of being on the wrong side of the facts and therefore excluded from the popular opinion, not just on these threads but elsewhere.

No, @eggbutt, I am not at all envious/jealous of being “excluded from the popular opinion”!

Is that what attracts people to being part of the mob? You can post nonsense trashing someone and your compatriots will give you likes and “right on” no matter how banal the post?

Nah. Folks are part of the mob by individual decision in order to fight for justice against a person who needs to be held accountable for her actions.

We’re not just an elderly mob, we’re more like a Karma Crew.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

So who are my “associates” in this little musing, VHM?

You’re talking about unfair accusations and characterizations, VHM? Seriously?

Didn’t you just proudly associate yourself with Sierra Mist a few posts ago?

Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

As usual, I can sense your frustration about my continuing references to LKs personal issues, including her lengthy arrest record, her professional history, the source of her funds, and the her father’s curious lack of professional history, other than the whole “Gambling and Casino Professional” thing. I know you think it’s unfair of me to draw attention to these things. The good news is… discovery has begun in the case, and MBs attorneys are ready, willing and able to depose Lauren. She can go ahead and just answer any and all questions… under oath… that they have for her about her personal background.

What could be more fair than Lauren simply answering questions about herself?

The truth will set her free, and sunlight is the best disinfectant… right?

Yes, I’m proud to be associated with Sierra Mist. What “nonsense” are you accusing her of starting?

Yes, let’s talk about your focus on LKs personal history, including what you now refer to as her “arrest record”.

You claimed to be previewing what sort of stuff she would face in the civil trial. I can see that her actual criminal record (ie record of criminal convictions) would be fair game, but in terms of the civil trial, I would think the court system, with the principle of the presumption of innocence would not permit the introduction of arrests or charges which were later dropped without convictions.

Do you think these arrests without conviction will be used in the civil trial?

If no, why do you keep bringing them up? I think arrests without convictions will not be used in the civil trial, because it’s unfairly prejudicial.

Smearing LK by continually harping on these arrests is allowed in trial by SM, it appears. Is that why you keep bringing it up? Not because you’re claiming it’s a preview of what will be included in the civil trial but because you think MBs lawyers will not be able to make use of it in the trial?

I appreciate the moderators forcing you to acknowledge there is a public record of charges but not convictions. It’s a very important distinction.

LK requested that she be deposed virtually and the judge granted her request. I expect she will complete the deposition as ordered. All this yammering that she is refusing to be deposed when in fact she simply asked to be deposed virtually is not.”sunlight”. It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

We do not think LK’s arrests without convictions will be used in the civil trial.

We know they will be if Michael’s attorneys are worth their salt because it is common practice in civil trials.

There. I even put it in bold @CurrentlyHorseless so you could read that particular sentence repeatedly, and ruminate on it, and actually perhaps eventually comprehend it.

It has been said here repeatedly and is a well known 100% fact- in a civil trial everything is open for discussion. You had better damn well believe that every skeleton, every dirty little secret you have is going to be drug out.

Be prepared and be ready because the fecal matter is going to his the rotary oscillator!

Do I need to explain that last sentence to you @CurrentlyHorseless???

I was asking @Virginia_Horse_Mom specifically, as she was the one bringing up LKs “arrest record”, and I take her posts seriously.

You do not need to explain the last sentence. I don’t have the same fixation on fecal matter and farts that you do, @cutter, but I understood that sentence perfectly well.

Are you sure @CurrentlyHorseless that you actually understand it, as in a few posts or tomorrow you will claim it means something else!

You know, we are just trying to help you understand @CurrentlyHorseless. We are equal opportunity here, and eager to please. We want you to enjoy your experience with the Elderly Illegal Mob!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes, I’m proud to be associated with Sierra Mist. What “nonsense” are you accusing her of starting?

Yes, let’s talk about your focus on LKs personal history, including what you now refer to as her “arrest record”.

You claimed to be previewing what sort of stuff she would face in the civil trial. I can see that her actual criminal record (ie record of criminal convictions) would be fair game, but in terms of the civil trial, I would think the court system, with the principle of the presumption of innocence would not permit the introduction of arrests or charges which were later dropped without convictions.

Do you think these arrests without conviction will be used in the civil trial?

If no, why do you keep bringing them up? I think arrests without convictions will not be used in the civil trial, because it’s unfairly prejudicial.

Smearing LK by continually harping on these arrests is allowed in trial by SM, it appears. Is that why you keep bringing it up? Not because you’re claiming it’s a preview of what will be included in the civil trial but because you think MBs lawyers will not be able to make use of it in the trial?

I appreciate the moderators forcing you to acknowledge there is a public record of charges but not convictions. It’s a very important distinction.

LK requested that she be deposed virtually and the judge granted her request. I expect she will complete the deposition as ordered. All this yammering that she is refusing to be deposed when in fact she simply asked to be deposed virtually is not.”sunlight”. It’s malicious distortion of the situation.

I don’t claim to know the details of every single one of LK’s arrests, which ones resulted in dropped charges due to total lack of evidence, and which ones resulted in an attorney working out some sort of deal with the prosecutors.

Do you know the details?

Since I don’t have all those details, I will agree that it is more fair if I just refer to it all as her “arrest record.”

I don’t consider it a smear… because it’s a matter of fact that she has been arrested many many times.

I don’t know how this information may be brought to bear in the civil suit by MBs attorneys. I’m sure they are well versed on the technical nuances of all the arrests, negotiated deals, etc, and I am sure they have a legal strategy prepared.

The moderators didn’t have to “force” me to do anything. They made a general public request on the thread that we just refer to it all as her arrest record from here on out, and I willingly complied, since that seemed like no big deal. Your dramatic characterization of this is… silly.

I find LKs request to be deposed virtually rather ridiculous. But the judge granted it. Do you happen to know when it has been scheduled for? No? Why the delay?

I don’t think there’s any malicious distortion of this situation going on. I think you just seem tp be feeling stressed and defensive again. I don’t understand this. Why is this all so personal for you? After all, aren’t we both just random people on COTH with an interest in this case, and opinions, but no direct personal links to anyone involved? That’s my working understanding, at least from my end.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I don’t know how this information may be brought to bear in the civil suit by MBs attorneys

Off the top of my head, I can see it being used the same way it was touched on in the criminal matter - not as proof of the matter asserted, but as part of the evidence regarding MB’s state of mind. How that PI report factored into his state of mind was part of the experts’ testimony then, and it very well may be again.

There’s a reason those things are referenced in MB’s amended counterclaim.

MB Correct amend answer 120522.pdf (268.6 KB)

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was asking @Virginia_Horse_Mom specifically, as she was the one bringing up LKs “arrest record”, and I take her posts seriously. Have you deputized cutter to speak on your behalf. VHM?

You do not need to explain the last sentence. I don’t have the same fixation on fecal matter and farts that you do, @cutter, but I understood that sentence perfectly well.

I have not deputized @cutter99 to speak on my behalf… but only because I am uncertain if I have the authority to do so. I have to better understand how she fits into the org chart, and check with my Capo first.

This might require a sign off by an UnderBoss.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was asking @Virginia_Horse_Mom specifically, as she was the one bringing up LKs “arrest record”, and I take her posts seriously. Have you deputized cutter to speak on your behalf. VHM?

You do not need to explain the last sentence. I don’t have the same fixation on fecal matter and farts that you do, @cutter, but I understood that sentence perfectly well.

I have not deputized @cutter99 to speak on my behalf… but only because I am uncertain if I have the authority to do so. I have to better understand how she fits into the org chart, and check with my Capo first.

This might require a sign off by an UnderBoss.

I’ll allow it.

[BrownDerby]

But don’t you remember, @cutter99 is one of the paid moderators of COITH!!!

Sorry cutter99. I suggest Skinny Pop

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@Jealoushe

He was banned because of his criminal charges at the time wasn’t he?

That have been resolved and resulted in no criminal dispensation. It’s a bad look to punish people for their mental health troubles, especially ones that had been provoked on purpose.

The rule in SS is that once a person has been charged with a felony, the person is permanently banned unless the case is resolved in the form of the case being dropped or a Not Guilty verdict.

While NGRI is an acquittal in terms of the criminal justice system, it is not clear how SS will handle it. It appears the SS code did not envision having to handle verdicts of NGRI in attempted murder cases.

If someone’s mental health issues result in their shooting and nearly killing a client, it might be necessary for the protection of others to exclude them from the sport even if you’re not trying to punish them.

I am shocked that SS clearly does not have a plan for adults who intentionally plot to ruin someone else with a Finish The Bastard plan because that person does not want to train them anymore
I am not sure there is a better example of being a bully than what Lauren Kanarek, Jonathan Kanarek, and Robert Guy Goodwin did to Michael in this situation.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless - just in case you missed it earlier, this is the org chart.

I am actually only a “Lieutenant”, and I operate at the “Soldier” level. @cutter99 is a full blown Capo herself. But I don’t report directly to her. So I have to get my own Capo ( @Knights_Mom ) look at the situation, and advise on whether they are comfortable with @cutter99 speaking for me.

If my Capo says yes, then we all have to take the issue to @eggbutt for her to review it. She’s the Underboss (obviously).