Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[eggbutt]

Honestly, I think her problems are much more than addiction problems. I’m certainly not a psychiatrist but she sure shows classic symptoms of narcissism, psychopathic tendencies, and feelings of grandeur, simply based on her online posts and attacks. I doubt any parent is equipped to handle children with those tendencies without professional help. Just my opinion which isn’t worth much except to me.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Oh, I agree. But the addiction issues are 100% documented. And the family actually admits to these issues and acknowledges them. Family counseling when it comes to serious addiction like this? It’s very common, and appropriate.

I wonder if the Ks have ever gone through it. I wonder what advice they were given if they did.

I know Deininger and Bilinkas can pursue lines of questioning about LKs mental and emotional health history, given her claims about emotional distress. I’m curious if they can push into any line of questioning about family counseling as well. If they can, and if they can establish that JK has been advised before by mental health professionals not to enable LK… then it’s interesting to contemplate @trubandloki ‘s suspicion that JK actually encourages some of LKs behavior.

It seems like that actually might be relevant in arguing that there is a degree of recklessness and negligence on JKs part in encouraging LKs worst instincts, if there is clear evidence that he has been advised in the past by mental health professionals NOT to enable Lollypop.

[omare]

Lets say the collateral estoppel theory has any legs (humor me :), that is, the criminal trial finding will preclude MB from denying he committed the act.

Could it be affirmatively raised early by LK in order (among other things) to narrow the scope of the discovery (relevance)- and cause discovery to be focused only on LK’s contributory/causal behavior? (Really I can see a judge wanting to narrow how much gets retried …) Or if discovery is wide ranging and as many claim here, he did not really do it-- could newly found exculpatory evidence be used for a new criminal trial? (That is an exhausting thought!)

[eggbutt]

[Sdel]

There is no excuse for MCPO to have not sent/received any video in relation to the trial. So, the question is…where did that Aug 6th video go?

[eggbutt]

Absolute malarkey.

[avjudge]

I like Crosby’s molasses, which can be bought in grocery stores here, and I see it is also available on Amazon.

[trubandloki]

@omare

Lets say the collateral estoppel theory has any legs (humor me :), that is, the criminal trial finding will preclude MB from denying he committed the act.

Could it be affirmatively raised early by LK in order (among other things) to narrow the scope of the discovery (relevance)- and cause discovery to be focused only on LK’s contributory/causal behavior? (Really I can see a judge wanting to narrow how much gets retried …) Or if discovery is wide ranging and as many claim here, he did not really do it-- could newly found exculpatory evidence be used for a new criminal trial? (That is an exhausting thought!)

I will play along (even though I 100% do not agree that estoppel applies here).

Discovery can not be limited to “LK’s contributory/causal behavior”. Lauren Kanarek is claiming all kinds of things that discovery applies to. How can anyone determine if her situation has changed for the worse if they can not discuss how it was before? Her previous mental state, her previous income, etc. It all matters.
And the counter claim has discovery associated with it.

Edit to add: SGF and RC did not have a chance to defend all of LK’s claims, so they get to explore everything she’s alleging.

[Sdel]

And this too:

[eggbutt]

Totally off topic, and because it is cold and rainy and someone brought up shoofly pie, humor me…if you saw Captain Jack Sparrow himself, in full regalia, walking up to your door, how would you behave?

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

if you saw Captain Jack Sparrow himself, in full regalia, walking up to your door, how would you behave?

Slam the door, lock it, and refuse to answer.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

There is no excuse for MCPO to have not sent/received any video in relation to the trial. So, the question is…where did that Aug 6th video go?

Hmmmm.

I’m assuming that is one of LKs interrogatory answers?

But… isn’t it clear now that MB’s legal team received audio files from Schelly that came from more than just one recording device, and covered a time period before August 2019?

I mean… if that’s the case… and it’s seems like it is… than is t it the case that LK lied in her answer to the interrogatory?

How might LKs legal team deal with that if they can’t h her blatantly lying during discovery? Would they file some specific sort of motion? @ekat , do you have any thoughts?

[yaya]

@Sdel

And this too:

Is back back like halt halt?

[dacasodivine]

Cutter99 because that’s how many people she had cut when she joined or the number she was aiming for? JK

How is it I am always 500 behind still? I skimmed something like 700 pages yesterday.[quote=“trubandloki, post:3571, topic:780076, full:true”]

@dacasodivine

@eggbutt

Another one for the list -

Occam’s Razor. Remember LK & Co freaked when Occam’s Razor was mentioned?! Those were the good old days.

She probably thought she was being threatened with a razor. LOL

This made me giggle and think of the time Lauren Kanarek threatened @cutter99 about their name and them cutting people.
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[cutter99]

@Sdel

@SillyHorse

@eggbutt

Hopefully his name is on the door in huge, prominent letters!

Beans, beans, the magical fruit
The more you eat, the more you toot,
The more you toot, the better you feel
So let’s have beans for every meal!

Now @Sdel, please don’t go offending @CurrentlyHorseless due to her delicate sensibilities. You might give her the vapors or something!

[clipper]

@DownYonder

I don’t know how else you would describe someone who was shot - no matter how it occurred.
“Gunshot recipient”?
“Gunshot woundee”? (Is “woundee” even a word?)
“Gunshot patient” - only works while the person is under medical care, right?
“Gunshot survivor”?

Gunshot casualty would work,

[iridedressage]

@eggbutt

Totally off topic, and because it is cold and rainy and someone brought up shoofly pie, humor me…if you saw Captain Jack Sparrow himself, in full regalia, walking up to your door, how would you behave?

I wouldn’t answer. However, if Dread Pirate Roberts…that’s another story!

[cutter99]

@dacasodivine

Cutter99 because that’s how many people she had cut when she joined or the number she was aiming for? JK

How is it I am always 500 behind still? I skimmed something like 700 pages yesterday.[quote=“trubandloki, post:3571, topic:780076, full:true”]

@dacasodivine

@eggbutt

Another one for the list -

Occam’s Razor. Remember LK & Co freaked when Occam’s Razor was mentioned?! Those were the good old days.

She probably thought she was being threatened with a razor. LOL

This made me giggle and think of the time Lauren Kanarek threatened @cutter99 about their name and them cutting people.

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If I tell you, I will have to cut you too! Are you sure you really want to know?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@Sdel

@SillyHorse

@eggbutt

Hopefully his name is on the door in huge, prominent letters!

Beans, beans, the magical fruit
The more you eat, the more you toot,
The more you toot, the better you feel
So let’s have beans for every meal!

Now @Sdel, please don’t go offending @CurrentlyHorseless due to her delicate sensibilities. You might give her the vapors or something!

Why did you tag me in this exchange, @cutter99 ?

It’s less then 24 hours since the mod asked that discussion stay on the case and threatened a time out.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Oh gosh. No one means to upset you.

I think @cutter99 was just referencing her excrement hitting the rotary oscillator joke from yesterday.

Some of us are clearly prone to juvenile humor, involving poop, farts, and mafia movie references. You might have noticed.

We really appreciate the gracious way you continue handle our antics.

Xoxoxo

VHM