Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@ekat

@SoCoPony

Or we could go with EKATANGELO.
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@erinmeri needs a signature too! Her art was much better than mine!

Erinmeri Matisse

Oh! That’s a pretty moniker. I 2nd it

[SoCoPony]

I almost went there. LOL
Will there be a move to Virginia in my horsie future?

** edit that was @knightsmom sorry, my bad eye is bad today and foggy.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

Oh how the jury will LOVE hearing that and imagining themselves in MBs position.

Would the jury in the civil trial be aware of the results of the criminal trial?

And the fact that MB is still under confinement if that is the case by the time it comes to trial?

[omare]

Is there a protocol or requirement as to who gets to be deposed first? I imagine locking someone into their version of the “facts” as soon as possible is the goal, before they can read everyone else’s version? I would think LK’s lawyer would, if possible, want LK to go last. Is there a advantage/strategy to going first?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@SoCoPony

I almost went there. LOL
Will there be a move to Virginia in my horsie future?

Virginia is a wonderful place for horses to live. There is great quality hay and pasture in much of the state. I think you’d enjoy it!

[ekat]

@omare

Is there a protocol or requirement as to who gets to be deposed first? I imagine locking someone into their version of the “facts” as soon as possible is the goal, before they can read everyone else’s version? I would think LK’s lawyer would, if possible, want LK to go last. Is there a advantage/strategy to going first?

Generally the plaintiff has the burden of proof, therefore, they go first. The defense can’t know what they are defending until the plaintiff lays out their case.

[haleybot]

I actually never saw that post. That was Lauren’s favorite thing to say I was a grifter and well known to nc authorities…lol, they only knew me bc I had files cyberbullying charges against Lauren.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

Clearly, so much great artwork has been ignored.

But the artwork could have depicted a horse clearing a hurdle instead of boring pie! On a horse board!

It’s not enough that people are very kindly going to the trouble to hand feed you the information with their artwork, since you seem to have difficulty grasping the written word? Now you’re going to criticize the art itself?

[MHM]

Omg. Are those for real? Actual hamster harnesses??

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Looks like Pop Pop straight up accused you of criminal behavior in that post.

If it’s false, you should contact the COTH mods about it.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

Clearly, so much great artwork has been ignored.

But the artwork could have depicted a horse clearing a hurdle instead of boring pie! On a horse board!

It’s not enough that people are very kindly going to the trouble to hand feed you the information with their artwork, since you seem to have difficulty grasping the written word?Now you’re going to criticize the art itself?

Not the quality of the artwork, the decision to draw a pie instead of a horse clearing a 51% hurdle.

A horse clearing a 51% “bar” would have indicated the preponderance of the evidence “standard”, and would have been, well, more horsey. The pie is great for the division of liability at the end, but not for the clearing the bar at the first stage.

[MHM]

@jaj

Edited to change he’ll to hell as my autocorrect is rather prim.

Mine does the same thing on we’ll and well.

In fact, I had to edit the previous sentence three times to get it right. Lol.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Not the quality of the artwork, the decision to draw a pie instead of a horse clearing a 51% hurdle.

A horse clearing a 51% “bar” would have indicated the preponderance of the evidence “standard”, and would have been, well, more horsey. The pie is great for the division of liability at the end, but not for the clearing the bar at the first stage.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I think it’s a certainty Tarshis will make another appearance as a fact witness. I’d imagine MHG and JH will be fact witnesses as well as other staff and clients who were present at the farm from spring of 2019 up until the shooting.

Just curious. Would all those people have to testify in person? And if so, who would be responsible for their travel costs?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Good question. I have no idea. I’d imagine the side that calls on them to sit for a deposition is the side that will have to pay for it, though.

LK has the burden of proof when it comes to her claims. So I would imagine she will want to get as much evidence from fact witnesses as she possibly can in order to do so.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Not the quality of the artwork, the decision to draw a pie instead of a horse clearing a 51% hurdle.

A horse clearing a 51% “bar” would have indicated the preponderance of the evidence “standard”, and would have been, well, more horsey. The pie is great for the division of liability at the end, but not for the clearing the bar at the first stage.

What does that mean, @Virginia_Horse_Mom?

Are you disputing that the standard of proof in a civil trial is “the preponderance of the evidence” and “preponderance” is interpreted as 51%?

Are you disputing that the various artists missed an opportunity to draw pretty horses clearing the 51% bar (or not) and just gave us more and more boring pies?

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

Oh how the jury will LOVE hearing that and imagining themselves in MBs position.

Would the jury in the civil trial be aware of the results of the criminal trial?

And the fact that MB is still under confinement if that is the case by the time it comes to trial?

Yes. The jury will become aware once it’s brought into evidence.

He should not still be confined. If he is then he gets to be transported every day from the hospital unless there is a motion granted otherwise.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Not the quality of the artwork, the decision to draw a pie instead of a horse clearing a 51% hurdle.

A horse clearing a 51% “bar” would have indicated the preponderance of the evidence “standard”, and would have been, well, more horsey. The pie is great for the division of liability at the end, but not for the clearing the bar at the first stage.
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What does that mean, @Virginia_Horse_Mom?

Are you disputing that the standard of proof in a civil trial is “the preponderance of the evidence” and “preponderance” is interpreted as 51%?

Are you disputing that the various artists missed an opportunity to draw pretty horses clearing the 51% bar (or not) and just gave us more and more boring pies?

It’s a joke CH.

It’s a reference to a commonly used pop culture meme about “Stop trying to make X happen” from a scene in a popular movie.

Mean Girls - Stop Trying to Make Fetch Happen

[DownYonder]

@omare

Is there a protocol or requirement as to who gets to be deposed first?

Stone’s recent motion to extend discovery specifies that LK is to be deposed first (completed by 3/30/2023). Then SGF and MB (completed by 6/15/2023). Followed by fact witnesses (completed by 6/15/2023). Then expert witnesses (completed by 12/15/2023).

And now I have a new question. Depositions for SGF, MB, and fact witnesses are all supposed to be completed by 6/15. What if a deposition for SGF or MB reveals a possible new “fact witness”? Can the attorneys request an extension to the fact witness deadline so they can all depose that witness? (And I assume adding that witness would have to be approved by the court and all other counsels.)

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I think it’s a certainty Tarshis will make another appearance as a fact witness. I’d imagine MHG and JH will be fact witnesses as well as other staff and clients who were present at the farm from spring of 2019 up until the shooting.

Just curious. Would all those people have to testify in person? And if so, who would be responsible for their travel costs?

Since Sceusi decreed that LK’s deposition can happen remotely, then I’m thinking that many of the other depositions will be via Zoom. Of course, the attorneys will have to arrange for a suitable location, equipment, etc. - and that won’t be free.