Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[skydy]

It was established in the criminal court by the jury that Barisone did not shoot at the boyfriend. Why would GAS say that Barisone shot at the boyfriend ?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Warmblood1

I found this area to be really interesting in the filings.

So it is being proposed that SGF should have known LK was allegedly in harms way because she filed a private SS report? How would SGF have known about the SS report?

And SGF was supposed to know LK was allegedly in harms way because she posted anonymously online such as to an Internet forum where identities are private?

Notice how it does not state that LK contacted SGF regarding her safety. If LK is establishing SGF as the property owner and landlord, then why didn’t she contact SGF to report she felt unsafe? Why did she choose her private FB page as her forum for her complaints? And why would SGF be held responsible for monitoring her private FB as a way to monitor her safety? Does your landlord do this?

Also, are they proposing that SGF’s “managing members” and “majority shareholders” hold the same responsibilities as a landlord?

Seems like another area LK failed to mitigate her circumstances by not contacting SGF directly to report her feeling unsafe.

It also does not state whether or not SGF knew of the police reports prior to or after the incident. Could have been after.

It’s BS quite frankly. If they expected SGF to know that Lauren was in danger and somehow it was on them to remove Barisone from the situation, then it was also on Lauren to GTFO…since the situation was so dangerous and the signs were so clear.

I also think that this particular attorney (GAS) and legal team have been reading too much COTH or think it has a larger impact than it does. So many people on the horse industry know F all when it comes to forums and/or COTH. I also have no idea how it was on them to know about LK’s SS matters.

Plus, if I’m a landlord and police get continously called to one of my properties because the tenn
ant(s) on that property are causing trouble, what is my actual responsibility there, legally? Does anyone know. Is there an actual law or case they could site there. If that’s the case, man, landlords have a lot to answer for. So many crimes have been commited by various tenants everyone on rented properties across the US. Also, what action did they expect SGF to take? Give MB an instant (lol) eviction and say, “Oh here, we removed our main tenant, who is also apart of this LLC (IIRC) from the property and you can just stay Lauren, it’s all yours. We just know he’s going to shoot you and/or attack you.”

Right.

I guess it’s worth a try though? Just throw the kitchen sink at it and all that :shrug:

[Ambitious_Kate]

I agree. It’s the kitchen sink to the fan approach
Throw it all out there and see what sticks. Might just make the judge go for oral arguments.

[MHM]

@3PonyFarm

So in the first motion, it said if the motion isn’t quashed, the K’s should be given time to get their own counsel. Wouldn’t the court think they already had enough time to do that?

Haven’t they already had six months or more to work on it by this time? It feels like that long, at least.

[eggbutt]

Because that is what he was told apparently.

I’m not going to call GAS a liar as was said about Chris Deininger.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@3PonyFarm

They did say MB shot RG even with the NG verdict.

No, they said Michael Goodwin, whoever that is, was shot at by MB.

Maybe Michael Goodwin was the one who took off with the video from the security cameras.

[avjudge]

Speaking (writing) of Krol hearings, I seem to remember some discussion here around the time of MB’s first hearing about legislation in NJ concerning crime victims’ rights to be kept informed on their case, to make clear that a crime victim does not have a right to attend mental health hearings after an NGRI verdict. Am I remembering correctly, and did anything ever come of that legislation?

(Of course, as has been pointed out here, NGRI means there was no crime, so while there may be a gunshot victim, there is not a “crime victim” once that is the verdict so logically one would think “victims’ rights” legislation would no longer apply. But apparently the law in NJ is not that logical.)

[MHM]

@Fiesta01

Not stupid necessarily. Just very desperate.

Or both.

[skydy]

@ekat Do you think the defense attorneys will include a copy of the jury’s NG verdict regarding RG, or would that not be proper at this time?

[MHM]

@eggbutt

It’s almost as though someone is trying to make GAS look like a schmuck. Sounds familiar doesn’t?

[cutter99]

@Fiesta01

I think they’re trying to tie the defendants to our conversations on COTH. We have been accused ad nauseum by the K Klan acolytes of attacking and harassing LK and her family. I think they’re inferring that the defendants are directing our conversation. Seems like projection to me, but when the truth is against you, all you have is lies.

I agree 100% with this @Fiesta01!

I am going to state right here and now, very clearly, that I have NEVER once done anyone’s bidding on COTH, other than my own. I have no relation to Michael Barisone, do not know him, and am NOT dressage aficionado.

I probably would have continue to follow along and read, had it not been for the fact Lauren Kanarek threatened me and attempted to dox me repeatedly.

I will never back down from a bully, which is exactly what Lauren Kanarek and her ilk are. @Inigo-montoya went as far as to comment that he thought I was stupid, but hey, at least I know when to keep my mouth shut, unlike the educated attorney he likes to present himself as!

If Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek were treated so damn badly over here, why were they here repeatedly to begin with?

They should have wised up long before they did, and realized most of COTH is a group that has been around the block more than once, and we saw through LK’s bogus stories very quickly.

[CanteringCarrot]

I mean, the sad part is that sometimes “BS” does stick. It’s frustrating and I’ve seen/heard of some wild things that have happened…the cases themselves and the verdicts.

[cutter99]

@ekat

@DownYonder

This has been discussed multiple times in these threads. Various posters have been insistent that the main goal for a long time has been to force SGF’s liability insurance carrier to offer a substantial settlement. This has especially been the case since the verdict came down in the criminal trial and the thinking amongst some (many?) is that a substantial judgement against MB will be a hard sell given the NGRI verdicts. And that whatever assets he has left will likely be tied up by legal fees. So SGF became the main target on the assumption that their liability insurance carrier will offer a healthy settlement. I believe the Ks are also banking on the fact that the other principals of SGF are in fact quite elderly (as opposed to JK and KK) and may therefore be more easily pressured to “okay” a settlement so the whole thing “goes away.”

And all of the discussion misses Mr Silver’s original answer to the suit which quite clearly answered the question about insurance.

I think Lauren Kanarek and her family banked on guilty verdicts followed by quick settlements and now they are in too deep. So, they have to go with what they’ve got.

At this point it does seem like delay, don’t cooperate, and hope to exhaust the defendants’ funds and will to fight is the strategy.

For reference: this is the last page of Mr Silver’s original answer.

It sure sucks to be stupid and overconfident, doesn’t it???

[LexInVA]

If the Kanarek’s can justify to the court changing the attorney yet again, due to incompetence or negligence in the filings, they will achieve yet another round of delays.

[Sdel]

@LexInVA

If the Kanarek’s can justify to the court changing the attorney yet again, due to incompetence or negligence in the filings, they will achieve yet another round of delays.

I’m not sure that will work. I think it is highly likely that the Kanarek’s are the ones writing the filings or at least the history/background portions…to many similarities and reaching to address CotH discussions for it to have been GAS. Unless we believe that their attorney has been reading the last few threads.

[FitzE]

Lordy, what a weird, messy, sloppy filing. I’m always amazed when they cannot even get a simple term consistent throughout the document (e.g., Plaintiff/plaintiff).

They go on and on about what the criminal case settled wrt MB, but ignore what it settled wrt RG (aka MG ).

And can anyone tell me what about producing videos/texts that are on your phone and transcripts that you made and already produced for other parties would qualify as an ‘incredible burden and oppressive expense’?

Incredible burden? Oppressive expense? That level of hyperbole rises to histrionics.

Given BN’s and GAS’s previous involvement, I’m not surprised that Amateur Hour continues regarding the written product and reasoning therein.

Any chance that when BN finally grokked that this was a dog with fleas he just needed someone to take the frontman position so it wouldn’t reflect directly back on his practice and GAS owed him a favour?

This is the best description ever of this whole situation. JK and KK cannot escape being identified as the very active players they were.

@cutter99

the ringmaster of the circus is Lauren Kanarek, and the circus owner is Jonathan Kanarek. Head clown goes to Robert Guy Goodwin, and yes we actually know his correct name, unlike the attorney representing his now girlfriend, no longer fiancé. Kirby Kanerek is the trapeze artist, who just cannot grab the bar and is constantly ending up in the safety net.

[skydy]

It’s very hard to believe that JK is writing under GAS’s name. Why would any attorney allow that? It sounds very risky.

[ekat]

@skydy

@ekat Do you think the defense attorneys will include a copy of the jury’s NG verdict regarding RG, or would that not be proper at this time?

I know Mr Silver has referenced that verdict in previous filings, and I’m pretty sure Mr Deininger has too.

And, they very well may mention it again when they answer these motions. It couldn’t hurt to attach a copy. It’s public record after all.

But, then again, that’s really not the point of this round of motions and they may feel they have bigger fish to fry at this time.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

I found this area to be really interesting in the filings.

So it is being proposed that SGF should have known LK was allegedly in harms way because she filed a private SS report? How would SGF have known about the SS report?

And SGF was supposed to know LK was allegedly in harms way because she posted anonymously online such as to an Internet forum where identities are private?

Even more curious the filing addresses something that never happened…

[eggbutt]

I still believe asking for all the emails and texts between RG/JK are very relevant as far as what was sent to him immediately after the fact. We all can, or should, recognize the Kanareks are going to hide everything they possibly can. They continue to prove there sure was a lot of fire underneath all that smoke!

As far as the elderly Kanareks on this forum - didn’t they voluntarily come to this forum and engage others including making derogatory personal remarks against some? Didn’t they promote all sorts of BS?

Personally I haven’t spoken with anyone related directly with the situation in YEARS. Perhaps Michael has developed super telepathy while he’s been incarcerated and he is sending the mob mental instructions. Anyone on this forum who knows me knows I am no one’s messenger and have no issue speaking my mind!