Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[ekat]

@FitzE

And can anyone tell me what about producing videos/texts that are on your phone and transcripts that you made and already produced for other parties would qualify as an ‘incredible burden and oppressive expense’?

Apparently it’s not oppressively burdensome and expensive when you are sending the transcripts to people like SafeSport, and stating on social media that you’re going to send them to Ann Klein, and wherever else suits your fancy.

It becomes oppressive when the defendants themselves would like to see what they’ve been spreading around.

I think that’s how they (the Kanareks) think it works, anyways.

[skydy]

Couldn’t hurt to make clear the factual mistakes in the filings though, and make the judge think twice before believing the plaintiffs statements without checking.

[ekat]

@skydy

Couldn’t hurt to make clear the factual mistakes in the filings though, and make the judge think twice before believing the plaintiffs statements without checking.

Good point.

I mean, it is pretty readily available. One would think GAS could have found it.

MichaelBarisoneAcquittal.pdf (56.6 KB)

[eggbutt]

You bring up a valid point. For the defending attorneys to file rebuttals cleaning up all the misstatements in the GAS filing, costs $$$. Unless the error is major, I suspect the money can be spent more effectively elsewhere.

[jvanrens]

@Warmblood1

Why did she choose her private FB page as her forum for her complaints?

Actually her FB was open to everyone who wanted to read it for quite a while. I’m sure more than a few of us took a look.

[eggbutt]

And took screenshots!

[skydy]

Most people did not though. I doubt that the couple from SGF did.

[LexInVA]

SGF was (basically) Michael Barisone, with the wealthy elderly couple - his patrons - having little or nothing to do with the farm and the business that went on there. It’s ridiculous to think they had any clue what was going on with Lauren Kanarek residing at the farm, unless they were made aware or pulled into the ongoing conflict by Michael or Lauren/Jonathan Kanarek.

[eggbutt]

I agree! I can imagine Jonathan Kanarek contacted them to force Michael to do Lauren’s bidding. The Lundbergs had absolutely no reason to get involved on their own.

[trubandloki]

@skydy

It was established in the criminal court by the jury that Barisone did not shoot at the boyfriend. Why would GAS say that Barisone shot at the boyfriend ?

Because he is willing to tell straight up lies!

@eggbutt

I’m not going to call GAS a liar as was said about Chris Deininger.

I am willing to, since this filing has many things in it that are blatantly incorrect.

@MHM

Maybe Michael Goodwin was the one who took off with the video from the security cameras.

Yes, that must be the answer.

[Sdel]

Hmmm…… last time there was a quash motion there was an ex-parte letter. New judge new letter?

[BlueDrifter]

Those were my initial thoughts, too – that they weren’t by GAS.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@skydy

It was established in the criminal court by the jury that Barisone did not shoot at the boyfriend. Why would GAS say that Barisone shot at the boyfriend ?

The bolded sentence is not correct.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@ekat

mean, it is pretty readily available. One would think GAS could have found it.

MichaelBarisoneAcquittal.pdf (56.6 KB)

The title of the document is “AQUITTAL”

YOU ARENT GUILTY IF YOU ARE AQUITTED.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Remember, these civil suits are just a few of Lauren Shay Kanarek’s pending problems. She will still need to account for her SS filing when Michael Barisone appeals. I can’t imagine that outcome will go well for her either. Maybe she might want to enter the ring sooner than later while she still can - at least recognized shows!

Michael Barisone was not suspended by SS on the basis of Lauren’s complaint to them. He was suspended based on the criminal charges filed against him. Since the trial did not result in NG on all charges, he is now suspended pending a SS investigation. But they are not investigating her bullying claims, they are investigating the shooting.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But they are not investigating her bullying claims, they are investigating the shooting.

And you know this how?

I predict Lauren Shay Kanarek will be permanently sanctioned for her actions against Michael Barisone and others.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@KurPlexed

ekat and other legal eagles can you pls refresh my memory on how collateral estoppel may or may not be applied here? TIA

Personally I don’t think it can be. Generally (very generally) it only applies when the burden of proof and the parties are the same. This suit has a whole bunch of parties that weren’t in the criminal trial.

There is some case law where in a criminal trial, if the defendant pleas to an act (let’s say, hypothetically aggravated assault), collateral estoppel can apply because the defendant pled to the act.

That didn’t happen here.

But didn’t you insist that LK had to prove her claim against each individual defendant (MB, SGF, RC) first?

The jury found that MB committed the act to a higher level of proof than required in the civil case. RC did testify that she brought the gun into the state illegally.

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

I predict Lauren Shay Kanarek will be permanently sanctioned for her actions against Michael Barisone and others.

Yep. The last news article on that was that SS is waiting to be able to interview him. Maybe it’s because they need his testimony before they can adjudicate a ban for Lauren Kanarek. I don’t think they would need to interview him if they were banning him. There was a criminal trial that served that purpose……

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

I predict Lauren Shay Kanarek will be permanently sanctioned for her actions against Michael Barisone and others.

You think she will be “permanently sanctioned” (banned?) for her action in filing the SS report against Barisone, despite the fact that the criminal jury determined that he shot her?

Or you think she will be banned by USEF on the basis of the 750 page complaint filed by MHG and MB the day before Barisone shot her?

[cutter99]

So, since GAS is asserting it was SGF’s responsibility to provide her with a safe place to live, ride, train etc. what would his position be has she come off a horse and been injured during her stay at Hawthorne Hill?

She would now be owed the world??? Even if her injury were do to poor riding, making a horse sore, or provoking an unhealthy attitude in a horse??? What if she were purposely tormenting a horse and it injured her???