If the Ks become named and MB wins, can he then get his due out of their houses?
NJ house is primary residence, so no, correct?
And FL let’s people shield their second, FL residence, so no there too, correct?
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Hmmm. I am starting to wonder if they did NOT turn over those subpoenas, and that may have also contributed to the recent change in lawyers. Perhaps Nagel and O’Connor got PO’d about being thrown under the bus like that. I can easily believe there have been some pretty heated discussions at that law firm about these particular “clients.” 
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I have to think if Nagel and company had strong feelings about not representing clients who lie, they wouldn’t have lasted very long in the legal profession.
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What do you mean by “they did not turn over those subpoenas”?
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Most attorneys get tired of being constantly lied to by their clients. After all, they are being paid to defend the client regardless of what the actual truth is. Plus, thrown in client confidentiality and there’s no reason the Kanareks should lie to their attorneys other than their shame at their own actions!
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Good point! Although I wonder if this type of lie resulted in something close to an ethics violation.
As in - if JK/KK truly did turn over the subpoenas, then would Sceusi have asked Nagel why his firm didn’t turn them over to the defendant’s attorneys? And if Nagel had replied (as JK alleged) that they did send them, would Sceusi have asked for proof such as the eCourt transaction ID?
And if Nagel couldn’t come up with the proof, would he have received some sort of admonishment (or worse) from Sceusi?
The other possibility is as I mentioned - that JK/KK turned the subpoenas over to Nagel and he decided to sit on them since he doesn’t formally represent them. If that is the case, would it have resulted in a scolding from the judge?
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If JK/KK had not provided Nagel with the subpoenas…
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JK/KK are not represented by Bruce (or GAS), so why would they be obliged to turn over the subpoenas to them?
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Does anyone think that what JK posted here was actually what happened? Regarding subpoenas or anything else?
Color me skeptical.
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We will likely never know why the change in counsel occurred. It could be for a rather boring/mundane reason, tbh. The K’s are dishonest people, so even if they were ever to disclose why LK had a change in counsel, it can’t be believed. So we can speculate, but to me, it’s just something I can’t be arsed to care about. It might not be all that “juicy” so to speak.
I am not surprised at all that they’re not being forthcoming and may want to stall things. It’s also entirely possible that they’re being rather careful because this case isn’t the easy slamdunk that they once thought it would be. I mean, the consequences of our own actions and all that. Some people literally cannot comprehend that. They may very well trip and fall over their own egos, but we shall see.
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So if JK was not lying when he stated that the subpoenas had been “turned over to their [JK/KK] lawyers” - then can we assume he meant they sent the subpoenas to their own personal attorneys?
And if that is the case, what happened to the subpoenas at that point? Did their own attorneys forward them on to Nagel? Or did they just decide to sit on them? Or would they have filed them via eCourts? (And if the latter, wouldn’t they then have had to file a Notice of Appearance that they were representing JK/KK?)
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I suspect you are 100% correct! 
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I personally think it is just a fine example of Jonathan Kanarek’s ability to post a stream of lies, just like his daughter Lauren admitted on the stand that she does.
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Well, JK has been proven wrong on many occasions, so there’s that. Lying and half truths are apparently how people like the Kanareks live their lives.
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Thank you for clarifying what you were saying.
Now I understand why I was so confused.
I do not believe, even slightly, that Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) or Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1) so much as got together one word of an answer to those original subpoenas, so there was nothing to get lost.
If they had gotten it together, when the contempt filing happened it would not have been Lauren’s lawyer filing that it is overly burdensome and all that other gibberish, it would have been - so sorry, my lawyer lost them, I will resend.
But here we are, they have been subpoenaed a second time and they have once again ignored them.
If they gathered the information in the timely manner the first time, why would they be ignoring the second time? Do they like the courts making them look foolish and non-cooperative?
I still giggle that Kirby is not handing over the transcripts. She and Lauren appear to know where they are to send them so many other places, why not send them in response to the subpoena?
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Yes, exactly.
But people will still say, LK said this, or JK said that, as if that proved anything.
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The most pathetic is when they insist that JK/IM is always right or has not been proven to post false information.
That he lied about the ‘missing’ subpoenas was proven by filed documents. If he would lie about something that big and straightforward (and evade legal processes in his daughter’s own case), it 100% destroys for me any credibility he may have had. Sure, he may occasionally have posted something that was true or factual or honest, but I would consider that coincidental at this point.
That one whopper alone = game over for old JK/IM as far as accuracy, credibility, reliability, honesty goes. Done.
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JK did not state that they responded in the form of handing over the requested material. He said the lawyers “responded”, and was apparently referring to the one sentence email that a lawyer sent to the opposing lawyer hhat they wanted to discuss the subpoenas.
When the layers responded in a formal manner, their response was to file a motion to quash both subpoenas as overly broad. The judge agreed and did quash both subpoenas and instructed the other side to issue new, more limited subpoenas.
There is no evidence they have ignored the new round of subpoenas. They have requested that the deadline be extended until after the case conference.
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He did not say that the subpoenas were missing. He said that the defense lawyers claimed not to have received his “response”, which apparently was a one line email requesting the two sides talk.
I doubt JK cares much about his credibility with an anonymous COTH poster who goes by the screen name FitzE.
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And thankfully, Jonathan Kanarek’s assistant-interpreter has clarified what he meant with his post. Thank you so much @CurrentlyHorseless! /s
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