Mid-Atlantic friends....help with old PA bank barn - demo/repair, etc.

Hello! I would love some input on our old barn.

We moved in here 11 years ago and an old bank barn stood on the property, and had been severely neglected for years and years. No repairs on the slate roof made it basically rot in areas. We did some quick-fix repairs (used vinyl billboards to cover major leaked areas) but really did nothing more.

As much as I would LOVE to have it repaired and restored, it unfortunately has been neglected WAY too long and we cannot afford to have it restored.

We are not physically able to fix it.

We are left with few options.

  • Wait until it collapses (which could be soon) and then have to have someone come and clean up/demo
  • Have it taken down now, and have someone who can at least salvage some barn wood from it (and maybe we would keep some too to use on projects)

Has anyone done this?
Can you recommend anyone? I have heard that there are a lot of Amish companies that will do this.
Approximate costs?

I’m going to go take some photos to share, would love some ideas on how to maybe retain the bank barn part. Be right back.

What do you think the age of the barn/timbers is, approximately? Thanks!

You could check out Barnwood Builders from HGTV/DIY network. They might be interested or give you some ideas.

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The barn is at least 100 years old. The house was built in 1879.

About 5 years ago someone in our state gov’t was interested in building a grant for PA bank barns, to avoid the very situation we are in. We received a survey about our barn, and this person was really hoping to get a funding project going to help save these historic barns! Unfortunately nothing came from it.

It absolutely KILLS me to even think about tearing it down. But the cost to renovate is at LEAST 50K if not more, and we just don’t have that to spend.

Christa P - thanks for the idea! I will be checking that out!
We actually almost got to be on a house restoration show on HGTV. The producers loved our house and our “story” but the show never got picked up unfortunately.

You can check out some Amish if you’re close to Lancaster?

Try PM poster Tom King, he restores old houses and barns and lives somewhere in the East:

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/member.php?99547-Tom-King

Or email him directly:

http://www.historichousepreservation.com

He may know where you need to go from here and who may help where you are.

Ha, btdt. Get online and google barn reclamation, developers, etc. Most of them will relieve you of the barn for cleaning up the site afterwards, and that’s about it, unfortunately. That was my experience, even though, when I went to their websites and priced the bits from my barn, it was technically worth around 1/2 a $m psf.

Thoroughly disillusioned, instead I had some local guys demolish it carefully, and I sold or traded most of the materials locally via Kijiji (Canadian equivalent of Craigslist).

Even if the exterior materials of your barn may be knackered, the interior timber-frame should be OK, and could therefore be lucratively salvageable to re-use as a designer house frame. It may be made of a quality timber like oak or even butternut or chestnut, which would bring you a bit more $$$.

Shop around, though, and if you do find someone ready and willing to work with you, get a very sound contract signed whereby they have to remove everything by such-and-such a date, and what the repercussions will be if it isn’t.

Good luck!

Good luck with your barn. A good choice for a durable barn might be a pole barn. Builders of pole barns can attest that they last a long time and cause few hassles.

Network with the local saw mills, wood dealers and contractors. They will know who is looking for a project, a barn, wood, etc…

Another option is this: if you are going to build a new barn or building on your property, why not recycle the wood from this barn? The outside may be “knackered” as Romany points out, but those inner support beams are usually in pretty decent shape despite their age. Have someone take it down, haul away the bits that can’t be salvaged, and build yourself a building with the remainder!

Also, check with other farmers in the area that have barns on their property. They may need wood to repair their old barns, or know somebody that does.

Good luck!

How unfortuante that the barn has to be torn down! I love the old bank barns. They just don’t build them like that anymore. They are nice and warm in the winters and cool in the summers. And you can’t get beams like that anymore.

Our barn was built in the early 1800’s and needed some repair but it wasnt too bad. We had to patch a few places in the roof that leaked and did a lot of work to the outside and inside by ourselves (mostly my husband, I just cut things he told me to and did the grunt work lol!). We took our time and plugged away at it and we are almost done 5 years later.

Would there be any way that you could possibly do the same? I know you said that you were unable to physically fix it, but maybe you could if you did little bits at a time?

Here are a few before and after pics of our place. It was an old cattle barn you can see all the doors it had. We boarded them up and eventually covered them as it was drafty in the winter. We get cold winters (can be -40C for days at a time) and our barn no longer freezes and it stays cool in the summer (can be 40C which is easily 100F - got to love Ontario weather!). We did insulate almost all of our walls which also really helps. We still have one more wall to go though!

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Where are you located?

I have large bank barn 65’ wide, 60+ deep 50’ high. The orginal section was built around 1700 according to a retired PA history professor. A large English fore-bay was added in the middle 1800s. I read an article about him writing about and documenting historic barns in PA. And about the program you mentioned. I contacted him and he was excited to come and look over mine.

Unfortunately the financial crash hit the country/state so I am guessing the funding never materialized.

My barn had issues when I bought the property. Everything on the property had “issues”. It is a “William Penn Grant” have the original deed signed by him. Amazing it has stayed with the property for over 300 years.

I have done a fair amount of stabilizing and restoration over the years. A couple of the contractors I had look over things and give me estates were hallucinating with the numbers they gave me. I don’t mind paying good money for good work. But I don’t think I should have to eat dog food so they can eat steak.

I worked in the “trades” for a few years and have bought and personally renovated 6 old houses over the years. I am very familiar with what things should cost and how much work is involved.

I have also torn down 2 barns for salvage materials. Learned a couple of valuable lessons from that money losing experience.

In this state each township has different rules and regs. I live in Highland Township which is very agricultural. It doesn’t make farm/property owners jump through a lot of hoops and add unnecessary expenses to building projects. Unlike my neighboring townships east if us. Ag buildings in general aren’t always subjected to most of the ridiculous building codes. Especially when it comes renovation, updating.

Salvage value depends on a number of factors. Mainly age and type of the materials used, the quality of the wood and the ease of disassembling. The accessibility and workability of the location. And of course the “salvage market”. 10-20 years ago the market was quite strong. I’ve been out of it for over 10 years and have no idea what it is today.

The last time I looked at several barns over 10 years ago the owners were VERY unrealistic on what they thought the salvage value was. Thanks to the internet and some TV shows. Drove by one I looked more than 10 years ago recently. Told the owners at the time no one is going to give you much money if any for the building. The profit in the salvaged materials would barely if at all cover the costs of taking it down and cleaning up the site. As I said, I drove by it the other day more than 10 years later.

If yours is not too far from my area I would be happy to take a look at for you. Love checking out old barns. I could give you an idea of what it might be worth. I could also tell you if it is worth saving and what it should realistically cost.

This salvage company has a pretty good reputation from what I have heard. Their name comes up a lot. Might be worth contacting them. Take some good picture of the detail, inside and out and dimensions. There used to be a pretty good market for salvaged slate roofs.

http://www.barnyardboys.com/

no help for the OP, but just have to say, DiamondJubilee, WOW!!!

the inside transformation is gorgeous and overall, very very impressive! I love that you were able to save it!