Mike Winter article -- thoughts on Team Canada and more

Interesting read:

http://e-venting.co.uk/2016/05/canadian-international-eventer-mike-winter-thoughts-reflections-part-2/

"The problem is that there are a lot of people involved in Equine Canada that should not be there, that are in a position of power for all the wrong reasons and in the job for the wrong reasons. It is very clique, Canada is not alone in that, but it’s very backwards. They think the way to win a medal is to teach the best riding lessons you can to those 8 people on the short list. Not developing the base. "

Definitely a good read - we need more thoughtful sharing like this. I don’t agree with all that he says, but I do respect it. The economics he shares are interesting as well, I actually agree with them.

I think it’s very scary. I could deal with her breaking a bone, I don’t know how I could live with the decision, whether it’s my decision or not, to let her compete if something horrible happened. I spoke to my friend Kyle Carter (4* Canadian rider) about it and he does not think his kids are going to ride and he is quite grateful.

That to me was telling and sad and a canary in the mine for the future of Eventing. It almost seemed that he has little faith anything will be done to mitigate risk in the sport at the UL.

The other aspect was how he talked about horses. I realize that this his business, but it just seemed to sadly define the modern professional as a jockey saying ‘what’s the next horse?’ For every American Pharaoh there are hundreds of no-names that get lost behind the paparazzi which sullies a little the sport of horse racing, turning the horse into an object for man’s gain. Is this then what we can hope for in the future of Eventing, all hail the Jockey, the human we love to watch while some string of barely remembered horses pass under his/her seat in the interest of another dime in the pocket.

All this talk of safety yet those that are most removed from the top cry out for more safety even knowing they would never run at that level; that the very first way to mitigate risk is to take the time to build trust, knowledge of a partner, and good communications. Instead we move towards train them up fast, move them on, buy the made horse for a few rounds then on to the next. The rider trusts his ability more than the horse since enough time may not have taken place to ensure good communication.

I get it, it’s a profession, not knocking the person, but it is not how I like to see my sport and why I just don’t care any more about those that ride in the UL. They don’t inspire, they just entertain. The exception is Mr Jung and that because when I watch him ride, I can see he’s put in the time to build trust between both minds.

JP60, agree, refreshingly frank and very telling, esp. this: “I spoke to my friend Kyle Carter (4* Canadian rider) about it and he does not think his kids are going to ride and he is quite grateful.”

Bromont entry list is very small this year.
Jessica and Selena in the CIC***. Really points out the lack of depth and up and coming Canadian horses and riders.

It isn’t just eventing. Heck, I don’t care if my kids ride horses at all.

I want them to have a life’s passion they love as much as I love riding horses. But I don’t necessarily want it to be horses. In fact I would much prefer something safer. What parent wouldn’t? I am 34 with two TBIs, a pinched nerve in my back and a crushed knee. Not to mention I have broken at least three fingers and five toes I can recall offhand. And I got all that riding jumpers, not eventing. Who says, “gosh, I sure hope my kids grow up to be old decades before their time…”

Who says, “gosh, I sure hope my kids pick the most expensive hobby/ sport out there to take up?” :smiley:

I guess I’m in the minority. I was sad that my step children never liked riding, and I’m chuffed when my grandchildren do, although they’re still quite small. Why? Because of all the great things being involved with horses teaches one. You all don’t need me to list them, but how would your character have been different if you hadn’t been involved with the glorious beasts?

I doubt much at all. My kids will still grow up being farm kids with all that entails, whether they ride or not. So…it isn’t like they need riding itself to get most of the benefits. Heck, a lot of riders these days never get half the benefits I did anyway because they don’t do horse care, they pay people like us to do it.

[QUOTE=Sharon;8679289]
Bromont entry list is very small this year.
Jessica and Selena in the CIC***. Really points out the lack of depth and up and coming Canadian horses and riders.[/QUOTE]

Holly Jacks is showing, Rachel McDonough, April Simmonds, they may be nobodies to you but they are up-and-comers or already there and made a name for themselves.

No shortage of great Canadian horse people – lots of them in the U.S. horse country :slight_smile: And plenty of great coaches and horsepeople flying under the radar but teaching good things to the masses – such as my coach!

[QUOTE=LadyB;8679801]
Holly Jacks is showing, Rachel McDonough, April Simmonds, they may be nobodies to you but they are up-and-comers or already there and made a name for themselves.[/QUOTE]

When Sharon posted, it was the first list of declared riders. I’m sure she didn’t realize that the list was incomplete. Entries don’t close until the end of May, so I’m sure the list will increase. The updated list shows Holly, Rachel, April, and other Canadians on the list. So no need to be harsh.
So who can list all the Canadian riders entered at Bromont? Let’s see who gets them all? :yes:

So who can list all the Canadian riders entered at Bromont? Let’s see who gets them all? :yes:[/QUOTE]

:slight_smile: I only have time for the 3*** (but anyone with a French-Canadian name for the other levels lol):

Holly Jacks
McDonough, Rachel
McIntosh, Sean
O’Hanlon, Selena
Phoenix, Jessica
Roberts, Waylon

[QUOTE=devvie;8680497]
So who can list all the Canadian riders entered at Bromont? Let’s see who gets them all? :yes:[/QUOTE]

:slight_smile: I only have time for the 3*** (but anyone with a French-Canadian name for the other levels lol):

Holly Jacks
McDonough, Rachel
McIntosh, Sean
O’Hanlon, Selena
Phoenix, Jessica
Roberts, Waylon[/QUOTE]

Annick Niemuller in the 1*
Melissa Boutin in the 2*
Genevieve Boutin in the 1*
Hannah Forget in the 1*
Wylon Roberts 2* and 3*
Penny Rowland in the 1*
Jessica Ruppel in the 1*
I’m sure I’m missing a few and a few more will be added, but those are the other Canadians.

Anita Gilmour is Canadian but recently changed to Hungary I believe.

There’s more Canadians on this list of May 27 - :winkgrin: - Look again! :slight_smile:
One 3*, 2 - 2*, and about 9 *, if I have the names and competitors right.

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;8679385]
It isn’t just eventing. Heck, I don’t care if my kids ride horses at all.

I want them to have a life’s passion they love as much as I love riding horses. But I don’t necessarily want it to be horses. In fact I would much prefer something safer. What parent wouldn’t? I am 34 with two TBIs, a pinched nerve in my back and a crushed knee. Not to mention I have broken at least three fingers and five toes I can recall offhand. And I got all that riding jumpers, not eventing. Who says, “gosh, I sure hope my kids grow up to be old decades before their time…”[/QUOTE]

Our sport isn’t alone in that. I know people who played soccer who wish they could have knee replacements at age 30, baseball players who have shoulders that pain them daily in their 30s. Heck in modern baseball, Tommy John surgery has become standard practice for 19 year old pitchers. Our sport definitely has the danger aspect but it’s not alone in the body breakdown aspect.

The other Canadian riders from the May 27th entry list are (and hopefully I have all the names correct!) ;):
Diana Burnett - 3*

Dana Cooke - 2*

1* riders:
Tori Morgan
Mikki Kuchta
Julie Clark
Grace Emmett
Kristy Gasparini
Liz Hawley
Jennifer McGuire
Brandon McMechan

I would assume that there quite possibly be some other names added, as the closing date is tomorrow. And LadyB you are quite correct that Anita now rides for Hungary.

[QUOTE=LadyB;8680507]
:slight_smile: I only have time for the 3*** (but anyone with a French-Canadian name for the other levels lol):

Holly Jacks
McDonough, Rachel
McIntosh, Sean
O’Hanlon, Selena
Phoenix, Jessica
Roberts, Waylon[/QUOTE]

Annick Niemuller in the 1*
Melissa Boutin in the 2*
Genevieve Boutin in the 1*
Hannah Forget in the 1*
Wylon Roberts 2* and 3*
Penny Rowland in the 1*
Jessica Ruppel in the 1*
I’m sure I’m missing a few and a few more will be added, but those are the other Canadians.

Anita Gilmour is Canadian but recently changed to Hungary I believe.[/QUOTE]

Peter Barry is now on the list.
Sam Elsenaar in the 2*
Colleen Loach (not entirely sure if she was mentioned or not)
Sean McIntosh in the 3*

May 31 list:
Kendal Lehair - 2* (Peter, Colleen, Sam entered on this list - Sean was on the previous list) :wink:

1* riders -
Melissa Boutin
Marie-Gabrielle Bronsard
Caileigh Levely-Connolly
Brodie Seabrook
Robyn Townsend

Lady B & devvie - I think this list is showing we have many qualified riders, established and up-and-coming riders. :winkgrin:

I will admit I had to look up some of these Canadians to confirm their nationality. Have we missed anyone?

[QUOTE=canuckeventer;8684280]
May 31 list:
Kendal Lehair - 2* (Peter, Colleen, Sam entered on this list - Sean was on the previous list) :wink:

1* riders -
Melissa Boutin
Marie-Gabrielle Bronsard
Caileigh Levely-Connolly
Brodie Seabrook
Robyn Townsend

Lady B & devvie - I think this list is showing we have many qualified riders, established and up-and-coming riders. :winkgrin:

I will admit I had to look up some of these Canadians to confirm their nationality. Have we missed anyone?[/QUOTE]

I think we’ve done pretty good. Sorry if any were missed, but we definitely have young ones coming up the levels which is nice!

I’ll be there grooming, Bromont is always a lovely venue, lets hope its nicer weather than last year. It was freezing and soooo wet.