Mo Tom; Keeneland January

[snaffle1987]

Mo Tom is being consigned as a racing and/or stallion prospect as Hip 0387 at Keeneland January. Thoughts?

Other consignments:

Jay Gatsby 2012 Giants Causeway stallion. At 4: 2nd Bernard Baruch H.(G2,Sar,8½fT), Knickerbocker S.(G3,Bel,9fT), Lure S.-R (Sar,8½fT)

El Deal: 2012 Munnings stallion prospect. retired in November 2017.
At 3: 1st Gold Fever S. (Bel,6f)
At 4: 2nd Groomstick S. (GP,7f); 3rd Gin Rummy Champ S. (Gpw,5fT)
At 5: 1st Alfred G Vanderbilt H. (G1,Sar,6f), Decathlon S. (Mth,6f); 2nd Vosburgh S. (G1,Bel,6f)

KENNEDY: 2008 Stallion by AP INDY. out of Lovely Regina by Deputy Minister out of a Quiet American x Spectacular Bid mare. HIs dam is a half sister to Bernardini. he is a STUNNER if you haven’t seen his photos

TU Brutus (CHI). Scat Daddy son. Full-brother to G1SW El Bromista; half-brother to SW Benevento, SW Coroner, SW Brecha Ignea. Raced in Chile 2015-16 - sent to U.S.(G.Contessa). being sold as a stallion prospect

[skydy]

I’ve noticed that the stallion prospects and the racing/stallion prospects don’t seem to bring high prices (comparatively) at the sales and are often withdrawn. I suppose they wouldn’t be sold at auction if they were very successful at stud.

Kennedy has been at stud since 2012 and doesn’t seem to have been used much. Perhaps California will give him a chance. He does have the look of his sire doesn’t he?

[snaffle1987]

If Kennedy does go through I wonder if any sport horse people would bid. Bernardini’s are highly sought after for sport horses and they have been quite successful. Kennedy looks like that kind of TB. He is quite the looker. My thought is he will likely be sold overseas though

[Where_sMyWhite]

In reading the BH article on this sale, many mares in foal. I suspect most/all will be located in the Lexington area already. Are there risks in sending a mare to a sale in January (knowing some still may be a few months out on due date but some closer)? Is the traveling, stress of the sale environment, moving to a new facility with new microbes any risk?

Some nice horses have come out of this sale. Will be interesting who does the same this year

[findeight]

Not that unusual for mares near their due dates to travel for reasons ranging from sale to more room and better care for foaling. Back in the days of natural cover, some would ship mares to the stud farm to foal and try to catch her on the foaling heat and/or the first regular cycle after that-easier then shipping her with a newborn or 3 week old. Don’t know about strange microbes being an issue, never knew anybody that had any unusual issues in newborns after recent pre delivery shipping.

[gumtree]

@skydy

I’ve noticed that the stallion prospects and the racing/stallion prospects don’t seem to bring high prices (comparatively) at the sales and are often withdrawn. I suppose they wouldn’t be sold at auction if they were very successful at stud.

Kennedy has been at stud since 2012 and doesn’t seem to have been used much. Perhaps California will give him a chance. He does have the look of his sire doesn’t he?

This is usually done with low level stallion prospects for cheap advertising. The sales catalogs are sent to a LOT of people and are available to those that do not get them and or live outside the country on the sales company’s website. They rarely go through the ring. Most are sold before the sale and are withdrawn. Potential buyers don’t want a “public” purchase price put on them.

When bought and taken to stud there are a lot of associated costs above the purchase the price. Esp if purchased for export. The people who buy and stand may partnership them and want to make a few dollars above the purchase price and expenses and the “risks”. In other words some ROI. They also want to be able to set a decent stud fee to justify the exercise.

[gumtree]

@Where'sMyWhite

In reading the BH article on this sale, many mares in foal. I suspect most/all will be located in the Lexington area already. Are there risks in sending a mare to a sale in January (knowing some still may be a few months out on due date but some closer)? Is the traveling, stress of the sale environment, moving to a new facility with new microbes any risk?

Some nice horses have come out of this sale. Will be interesting who does the same this year

This is rarely of a concern. Otherwise Live Foal insurance would be a lot more expensive then it already is. IMO the only real concern is if the mare has a very early cover date and can and do foal at the sale.

Can be a bonus for buyer and seller if the resulting foal is a good one. A big bummer for the seller if it is not and or born with complications, and or dies.

[Where_sMyWhite]

Thanks

I always hear that you would want a PG mare where she would be foaling out at least 30 days in advance for her to build suitable immunity. Sounds like that isn’t a big concern.

Yeah, I was also thinking early foaling as the BH had an article on the January Keeneland sale and showed a mare in foal with very noticeable belly. That’s what got me wondering about all the stresses of the shipping, sale environment, potential new barn.

Must be a bit of an :eek: if one foals at the sale. I assume all the horses are closely watching so hopefully no surprise foal at side one morning but I can still see a bit of :eek: as you commented… could be good or bad depending on the new born. If the foal had been born the day the mare was due to go through the ring, would baby come along or would they still separate the foal briefly while the mare goes through the ring?

[LaurieB]

Where’sMyWhite, if a foal is born at the sale (or before) the mare and foal go through the sales ring together and everybody watching says, awww.

For a buyer, this circumstance is good thing is you can see what you’re going to get in the foal. The bad thing is, you will not be the foal’s breeder and therefore cannot register it for breeder’s awards.

[Where_sMyWhite]

LaurieB, thanks. Was wondering for a new born what the protocol would be.

At a few days old, in your opinion, can conformation really be judged unless really something obvious like windswept? Yes, I would agree on the ‘awww’…

I suspect that the seller also hopes the mare doesn’t foal and end up with something that might detract from her value (like the windswept or something similar).

These sales are so interesting to me to learn more of the “inside” perspective from people who had bought/sold … what you see, what you look for, the "crp shoot side of the business. And often things that I just wouldn’t have thought about