Monzante: G1 racehorse, winner of >$500k, dies for $4k

Louisiana has the worst Racing Commission in the US. They are one of the biggest reasons why we need a single set of rules for all states to prevent such travesties as this. In order to get a training license, trainers should have to agree to abide by the same standards when their horses are not at the track as when they are. Just because someone doesn’t train all their horses at the track doesn’t mean that s/he should get a pass on rules that track trainers have to follow.

Didn’t Louisiana allow some famous jockey or trainer with a worldwide suspension to run at their tracks within the past couple of years?

[QUOTE=BansheeBreeze;7088852]
Yeah, I’m sure he ran this horse because he wanted to make the horse happy. http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-27/sports/sp-244_1_state-racing-commission

Another tragic by product of the racino business. I’d rather see reaching cease to exist than have those death tracks around.[/QUOTE]

Well conveniently, the LRC’s website is down today. Trying to get their email so they can get the petition. We now have 500+ signatures.

Via Twitter:

Via twitter: Matt Hegarty ‏@DRFHegarty 4m

C. Gardiner, head of La. Rac. Comm., said Monday that commission is in initial stages on probe into Sat. death of G1 winner Monzante at EvD.

[QUOTE=Angelico;7088690]
Very sad.

However look at this from the standpoint of someone that does this for a living: horse is amazing, wins big races for you. Horse grows older, yet still wants to compete, do you continue to let him race at the top and be defeated or drop him down to a level where he can be competitive? I doubt his connections “dropped” him, more like they lost him. Don’t assume that they didn’t bother to get him back, but would you give a horse that had won graded stakes races back after you’d just claimed him? After that there isn’t much his connections could do.

It is still saddening to see any horse, especially one like this, go down for sport.[/QUOTE]

Anthropomorphism?

UPDATE:

  • More than 665+ signatures(!), up from 300 last night.
  • The Daily Racing Form is working on a story.
  • The BloodHorse is working on a story. The news editor – who is on the petition – specifically said he reached out to the NTRA to comment.
  • A huge movement on Twitter for handicappers to donate a % of their profits to charities in honor of Monzante this week.

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[QUOTE=ericalynn89;7089464]
We ARE horse racing culture and we can CHANGE horse racing culture.[/QUOTE]

Can I give this a double like :smiley: ?

[QUOTE=Angelico;7088870]
Do not make assumptions about what goes on in my barn. This horse gets turnout. Daily, unless they are entered, they all go out until it gets too hot and for a hand walk every evening, weather permitting. The smarter ones get trail ridden as well. In short, they are more pets than racehorses.

But wait, that doesn’t fit your “you are involved with racing, I must be better than you” mentality. sigh.

I do actually attempt to make a living at this, one more horse that actually tries is an asset, every horse in the barn is supposed to be a potential check. Us cruel, terrible, heartless bastards do still have to pay the feed man, you know. The second this horse backs off in training, or mellows out, or start showing any wear and tear, he is done. I have a large and grassy pasture and some trails to explore waiting for him, sorry if you were expecting a more gruesome end.

This is what I do, and I can’t do it with horses that don’t like what they do. Some love it, some hate it, some physically can’t, some do for a while and taper off. Put down your racing program and go out to the farm or over to the backside and get the full story before you assume things based on previous form.[/QUOTE]

Why so defensive? Do you have a guilty conscience or something? As I said in my prior posts, people have the right to use their horses for sport and for business. Hopefully they take care of them in an ethical manner, train and condition them properly, give them time off to heal when sore or injured instead of attempting to mask problems with drugs, etc. But to say that you are racing or jumping or doing anything with a horse because the horse will be sad and pouty if you don’t,and you are depriving it of its fulfillment or enjoyment, is just plain silly. And it would make me wonder why you feel the need to justify what you are doing with your horses if you feel the need to make a silly statement like that.

Via twitter, The News Editor of BloodHorse

Tom LaMarra ‏@JerseyTom 3m

@AmandaBry91 @BklynBckstretch I can’t argue that. The petition did its job.

Are necropsies routine for cases like this where the horse breaks down and has to be euthed on the track? Or is it only if the particular state’s commission demands it?

[QUOTE=saratoga;7089474]
Why so defensive? Do you have a guilty conscience or something? As I said in my prior posts, people have the right to use their horses for sport and for business. Hopefully they take care of them in an ethical manner, train and condition them properly, give them time off to heal when sore or injured instead of attempting to mask problems with drugs, etc. But to say that you are racing or jumping or doing anything with a horse because the horse will be sad and pouty if you don’t,and you are depriving it of its fulfillment or enjoyment, is just plain silly. And it would make me wonder why you feel the need to justify what you are doing with your horses if you feel the need to make a silly statement like that.[/QUOTE]

I am not defensive, darling, I am offended by people like you assuming they know what goes on in the barns of others. “Locked in a stall 24/7”, that was a ridiculous statement and so far off base it was almost funny.

I do feel the need to justify what I do with my horse to a certain point, maybe if Monzante’s latest connections had been forced to justify their decisions he wouldn’t be dead. I can justify and am prepared to, to a point, what I do with my horses.

Would my old horse die of depression if he never raced again? No, of course not. He might fret for a time while he adjusted to a slower life, but he would live. Eventually he will retire, and he’ll be fine.

I think the point you are missing is this: he is happy in what he does. He can still be competitive in what he does. So we will keep him at a level where he can continue to compete. Horse is content, we have a racehorse that can pay his way, why mess with it? Back on topic, Monzante’s previous connections most likely experienced a similar situation. Horse enjoyed training, was a proven winner, why not keep him and compete at a level he belonged at (as long as he was sound)? Like I’ve said, there are a lot of things you can’t find in the racing form.

Laurierace has said this before and I can’t find it but she said something along the lines of: a horse only lives for today. If they have food, water, shelter, and no pain, they are “happy”.

Horse is pain-free, cared for, good at what he does, still moves like a two year old, why mess with it?

Appsoloute: Try describing any animal without using some sort of personification. I think the majority of COTHers are mature enough to realize what is being described in simple, sometimes humourous phrases.

Amen. I get tired of hearing OMG HE’S DROPPED CLASSES HORRIBLE PEOPLE, and then on the other hand people nitpick OTTBs for sale to death, want absolutely perfect specimens, moan and groan about $3k for a horse when a lot wouldn’t blink at paying that much for a saddle…really, I think it’s cruel to inject a teenage horse’s hocks so he can keep jumping, if he has arthritis so he can’t do the level you want, retire him, but people insist the horse “likes working” (what they mean: I can’t afford to retire him AND how and I wanna show. Somehow fifty-cent ribbons are a more noble pursuit than paying your gas bill and the feed guy when you own/train racehorses.)

There’s no doubt about it-some people in racing don’t have an internal moral compass. There are supposed to be policies in place to keep those folks in check like the prerace vet inspection and post race testing but of course those aren’t infallible. But as a horse person, I wouldn’t encourage complete strangers having a say over what I do with my horse just because of sad events like this. Not to mention the fact that every time someone sells a horse – any horse–they run the risk that someone else downstream, doesn’t do right by them. Monzante’s fall was pretty gradual by racehorse standards and I’m sure none of people at the front end of this career could have necessarily predicted this would happen at the back end of his career.

Yep, and there are unscrupulous people in EVER horse sport. As far as drugs go the major difference between racing and BNTs in the show world is if you do it long enough in racing they WILL catch you. Apparently going by some threads in the Hunter/Jumper forums, even getting caught doesn’t mean you necessarily are going to get in trouble for it or at least one have vocal defenders who think you did nothing wrong and anyway everyone’s doing it. Again, somehow this is not so awful when what’s at stake are ribbons and coolers instead of money to live on.

No one intends for a horse to break down and honestly, most times no one is going to see it coming. Just being “old” does not mean a horse is fragile. If anything it usually means the opposite.

I hope people who think everyone who owns a racehorse at is first start should have a plan on where he’s going after his last one still has every horse they’ve ever owned or is immediately ready to take them back on a moment’s notice regardless of condition or what it means for their ability to pay bills or keep showing.

Some competition/race horses DO sulk when left behind

I had an OTTB who had transitioned into my adult hunter ride. Who would throw a FIT, whirling and screaming in his stall, if the horse trailer left without him. Didn’t matter which horse trailer, didn’t matter which other horse (and there were 40 in the barn including his best buddy, who never showed.

Took care of several retired studs who would sulk, be off their feed and run around their paddocks screaming bloody murder when they saw another horse jog off to the exercise track. Sometimes it is just easier to keep them training. They’ll tell you when they’re done racing. And I don’t care what ANYONE says about the racing industry. You can not beat a horse, or train a horse, to put his head in front and dig. He has to want it, all you can do is run him where he can be successful and keep him fit enough to do what he wants to do. No one has to teach a hound to hunt, he just does, or he sleeps on someone’s porch. You can teach him what to hunt, and how to let you in on his game, but that instinct, just like some bloodlines, is born, not made.

Til the last day of my Thoroughbred’s life, when he and much younger horses were running in the field, he would have run his own legs off rather than not be the first one to the top of the hill. At a decade their senior, he flat out smoked them, and anyone who hasn’t seen a nearly 30 year old Thoroughbred, with crummy feet, a big ankle, who looks like a old broken down hack horse, turn into the most beautiful creature on the earth when he’s running, will never, ever get it. It’s all heart at some point, regardless of legs, lungs, or anything else. You can’t train that, you can only hope that the person who is the steward of that particular animal, recognizes when heart is all that’s left, and tries to find them a softer place to land. Sometimes it’s possible, sometimes, it isn’t.

Every time someone one here gets their panties in a wad about the racing industry, I want to just say “hey, just jump on over to the giveaway forum and see what you find over there”. What you’ll find is not people who don’t have farms to turn out their old horses, but people who will give them away because, wait for it, they are NO LONGER USEFUL AND ARE COSTING TOO MUCH MONEY. Oh, wait. I thought that was just the racetrack jerks. Not Cindy Show jumper and Donna Dressage Queen. Who have tried everything they can try and now they have a “pasture sound” horse that isn’t useful. Now, they have a truck and trailer. Money to keep a horse and a job that does not depend on that horse’s income. So I guess it’s okay to just give it away to someone else, because they are to chicken sh*t to just put it down themselves. People that you expect to know better, who have more financial resources. But those same people are right over here going “shame on the racing industry”. That has way more regulations and oversight that most of the trainers in other disciplines.

Any sport or enterprise, that uses a “dumb” animal for profit, whether it’s breeding or racing, dogs, cats, horses, cows, pigs, chickens, has a potential for and contains abuse. Racing is no better or worse. There just aren’t any “pounds” for unwanted racehorses. No real giveaway forums either, no time or money for that.

I’ve seen a dear student’s show horse go from winning a state competition to laying dead in his field from an aneurism without any warning. Event horses die in competition in spite of our best practices.

Horses are fragile. Sometimes they break. Sometimes, there isn’t a good reason. Just because he was at the top of his game once upon a time, doesn’t mean he deserved any more or less than any other 5 clamier.

Are there crummy trainers and owners? Sure. Just like there are crummy pet owners, and crummy spouses and crappy parents. Only difference is no one is betting on them.

[QUOTE=Discobold;7089465]
Can I give this a double like :smiley: ?[/QUOTE]

I’d like to triple that please.

NTRA releases official statement. Petition is mentioned in 2nd paragraph.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/79579/ntra-issues-statement-on-monzantes-death

So they mentioned the petition

and their “safety organization”. Didn’t say they’d investigate, just said 600 people had asked them to.

And please, someone, tell me why this horse is any different than any other 4 claimer on any other racetrack that stops and dies.

Plenty of horses drop in class. 500K is quite a bit of money on a card, but I’ve cared fro plenty that had that much that ended up in claiming races. Doesn’t mean anything happened except for whatever reason the horse slowed down.

I think any horse that dies in a race from something that isn’t inherently obvious, ie broken leg, neck, bleeding out, etc., should be necropsied immediately at the cost of the racetrack, under supervision of the stewards.

It has lead to an investigation by the LRC:
http://www.drf.com/news/evangeline-downs-monzantes-death-leads-investigation

He isn’t any different, but you have to start somewhere. The group Project Monzante has plans to track Thoroughbreds, starting with stakes placed, to see what they are doing.

I read this story this morning. Yes, its Sad. His 42nd race. Made me think of my tb, 37 races, retired sound. My daughters tb, 42 races, retired sound. And then, theres the 3yr old that comes back from training with a spiral cannon fracture – or the 5yr old mare running at the top of her game coming back from training with a suspensory – or the 6yr old that drops dead crossing the finish line.
It happens, these are accidents of the sport.

Should I mention 40-50,000 people die in auto accidents each year – I dont hear of petitions.

Should I mention the horses that die in eventing (Teddy)-- the nearly 40 riders in 10yrs that have died? (even more maimed for life)

The horses that die in the Tevis… ? one competing and one in training-- just this year.

How about the show jumper that bowed in Grand Prix competition?
And theres Hickstead.

My point?
Life is to be lived and accidents happen. None of us are magicians to foretell the future. Racing HAS made tremendous changes, mostly in response to the strong Anti-Racing community… Now, there are pre-race vet checks, No drugs anymore – (grinds me when people adopt a tb and say they say they have to detox… from what?) aside…
Its been pointed out in all things, there are those that test the limits of each sport – but to send a call to arms is shameful.

Its obvious which posters actually work in the industy ... yes, horses do Want to train, do Want to race and do Have reactions showing their attitudes --- Anyone who has lived in this industry can tell many, many stories. 

Im saddened when those on the fringes of racing take an incident and blow it out of proportion ---- which I, think this is such the case here.

 I think Rays greater point to the article was that folks had the chance to reward this horse with retirement and didnt-- its hindsight to say those were wrong decisions.

[QUOTE=Angelico;7089515]
I am not defensive, darling, I am offended by people like you assuming they know what goes on in the barns of others. “Locked in a stall 24/7”, that was a ridiculous statement and so far off base it was almost funny.

I do feel the need to justify what I do with my horse to a certain point, maybe if Monzante’s latest connections had been forced to justify their decisions he wouldn’t be dead. I can justify and am prepared to, to a point, what I do with my horses.

Would my old horse die of depression if he never raced again? No, of course not. He might fret for a time while he adjusted to a slower life, but he would live. Eventually he will retire, and he’ll be fine.

I think the point you are missing is this: he is happy in what he does. He can still be competitive in what he does. So we will keep him at a level where he can continue to compete. Horse is content, we have a racehorse that can pay his way, why mess with it? Back on topic, Monzante’s previous connections most likely experienced a similar situation. Horse enjoyed training, was a proven winner, why not keep him and compete at a level he belonged at (as long as he was sound)? Like I’ve said, there are a lot of things you can’t find in the racing form.

Horse is pain-free, cared for, good at what he does, still moves like a two year old, why mess with it?
.[/QUOTE]

Um, there is none to very little turnout available at any track I’ve ever been to, unless you maybe count something like a round pen, which is even rare, so if a horse is at a track its a safe assumption it is in a stall pretty close to 24/7. I’m not even making a judgment about that, just saying that a horse kept in a stall will likely have pent up energy that maybe could be interpreted as having a deep yearning to enter a race :slight_smile:

No one on this thread ever said that there anything wrong with racing a horse. My point was just simply that you are racing for your own enjoyment or livelihood, not for the good of the horse. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ericalynn, I commend you or anyone for trying to do some thing…I am not comfortable with sweeping problems under the rug. I think awareness is the first step but of course the issue of what to do with the huge amount of racehorses who can no longer race and who are not sound or are unrideable for whatever reason, is a huge and sad problem. In this case, it sure would have been nice for Juddmonte to take him back.

[QUOTE=ericalynn89;7089743]
It has lead to an investigation by the LRC:
http://www.drf.com/news/evangeline-downs-monzantes-death-leads-investigation

He isn’t any different, but you have to start somewhere. The group Project Monzante has plans to track Thoroughbreds, starting with stakes placed, to see what they are doing.[/QUOTE]

Project Monzante is not a group..its someones Twitter handle --- a fan. I wonder how much money or time...this *fan* has ever donated to a horse rescue...wonder if they ever volunteered help?.

The other *fans* who voiced their comments do need to educate themselves to the sport -- . Imagine one *fan* saying all horses should be retired at 7yrs... (now, really!).

The track has offered to investigate, to gather all the facts …and then see if there was any wrong-doing.
Thats a proper course of action.
http://www.drf.com/news/evangeline-downs-monzantes-death-leads-investigation

Saratoga, Obviously – you dont work in this business – most trainers have a nearby farm…or rent stalls on one. Most trainers rotate their stock in and out of the track. After a race, a horse usually goes to the farm for a while – while another one comes in its stall for training/racing.

Yes, training and racing horses is a livelihood – and lucky us to live the dream job. You have no idea how well race horses are treated and cared for … and Im not going to bother as you have already shown you arent listening.
Angelico isnt being defensive… its frustrating trying to educate those who wont learn, or try to learn.

Why not come spend a day with me sometime…learn first before spouting off.