Morgan Breed Shows--Conformations "Fixes" and tail protection?

Hi all, I wasn’t sure where to post this, but I figured there would be the greatest number of Morgan breed show people here. I am considering doing a few Morgan shows next year with my Morgan mare. While we mostly do eventing and dressage, at the Morgan shows we’re also going to do some of the hunter-type classes where conformation counts for 40-50%. My mare is a bit of a Morgan outlier–she is nearly 16 hands, has a crappy mane and a very long back. Most people think she is a light warmblood/TB cross. Not great for a Morgan show! LOL.

So, I know there are lots of tricks to help make conformation flaws less apparent. What is good to shorten a long back? I was thinking of maybe bringing the braids down closer to her withers? We usually do the bigger scalloped braids to make her mane and neck look a little thicker. I think I have to use a white fitted saddle pad, what if it is a little bigger than the saddle to take up more room? Any other ideas?

Also, I know a lot of Morgan (and Arab) people use throat latch sweats? How long do you need to do it? Best type? Do you think this would be beneficial/necessary for a Morgan hunter-type class?

Finally, she has a bad habit of rubbing out her tail if she is stalled overnight. Our preferred solution is 24/7 turnout :slight_smile: But, that’s not possible at a week-long show… So, what is the best way of protecting her tail? I’ve heard you aren’t supposed to wrap the upper tailbone part because it can make all the hair fallout! But there must be a safe way to protect it for just a week? Thanks!

You may try posting that on the Off Course forum, it is more of a general one.

I just posted on a thread on Morgans in the Driving forum. Try asking, or PM folks there.

For her tail try a stable sheet that has a tail flap if you can find one. I use one on my mini that rubs his tail and it has helped keep his tail nice.

Wonder why she is itching her tail? In the ASB/Morgan show barns, I’ve worked out before we wrap the tail we spray with Listerine at the bone for dandruff and apply a good leave in conditioner, then wrap in soft cotton or silk that will not break the tail hair. Then use vet wrap or a tail wrap over it, make sure it is not tight. Make sure her lady areas are very clean or that can make them itchy. Plus a hay net with plenty of hay to occupy her.

Some people do sweat the throatlatch, we never bothered.

Too make a back appear shorter you need to make sure she is using it and its got proper muscling on it. A low back always looks long, imo. When in the ring make sure she is standing square and balanced. For a neck to appear longer you want a large quanity of thin braids. More braids=longer neck.

Before you go to all that trouble, Morgan hunt seat is all about hot and above level. The working hunter classes are a bit more “normal”. Depending on the show, be prepared for a stampede of a class. Not unheard of to have upwards of 20 or 30 entries…all hot and all at the hand gallop. Not for the faint of heart. It also takes a pretty confident horse. Check with the show secretaries to see how many entries they had in the classes last year. There are some smaller shows although they are a dying breed.

luvmyhackney, after trying everything (including keeping her tail, ladyparts and teets clean, worming, dandruff, etc.) the only thing that kept her from rubbing her tail was being out 24/7 :slight_smile: Overnight in a stall, she rubs. More than 3 hours at a show, she rubs. Yes, keeping her distracted with a small hole hay net works, but she’s too easy of a keeper to put in enough hay to keep her occupied all night! LOL It seems to be her coping/stress thing. Better than cribbing, weaving, digging or stall pacing, I guess… And definitely working on building her topline, which is the only real solution and why we do a lot of dressage–but it’s so much more work when her conformation is working against her, at least that’s what she says :lol:

ezduzit, that is very interesting. We were mostly going to do those classes for fun, and were more interested in the jumping part than the flat. She is a hotter fairly confident horse, I was actually more worried about her being too forward for regular working hunter. I may just watch the classes at the first show to see where we would best fit.

cayuse, sometimes the blanket helps, especially if she’s only in for a bit, but if it is a multi-day show it just wouldn’t be enough.

Thanks all!

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but seriously I can help you with this. I train for the Morgan breed circuit. You need to know what division you are wanting, there is Morgan Hunter Pleasure and Morgan Hunter which falls under the sport horse division.

Usually it is only the bigger shows that offer the sport horse division as many of the barns that specialize in Morgans do not have large numbers of sport horses. The sport horses usually train with jumper trainers or dressage trainers instead of Morgan trainers.

If it is a Hunter Pleasure class, then yes, the horse should be a bit of a flashy mover. The size of the horse doesn’t matter. I have seen some pretty large morgans showing in the classes and this year at nationals the big classes seemed to be dominated by large chestnuts with chrome.

Your horse doesn’t have to go level with it’s knee, but it should show some action. The movement should not be trappy but should be free and open moving with nice extension when asked for. Your horse should be arched in the neck with good flexion at the poll, but the profile should not be behind the vertical. You want a horse that moves well off all corners, a horse that steps nicely up front and shuffles behind is not going to do well in strong competition.

I don’t use neck wraps but I know people who do. You can work with a neoprene wrap and a sweating agent. You can make a sweating agent using regular yellow Listerine, lemon juice and a bit of glycerine, but keep in mind that if you do not rinse it out it the lemon can bleach the coat. For in the stall, people usually use a felt wrap on the throat.

Scallop braids are not seen in the Morgan ring. Plaits and French braids are what are used. I suppose you could use the scallop braid if you want to, but it would stand out and that could be a good thing or a bad thing in different situations. Because it is “different” it may call too much attention to the neck and it seems like that is something you are trying to not call attention to, right?

As for the long back. if you are in the pleasure classes, don’t use a white saddle pad. If your horse is dark, use a dark saddle pad. A black contour pad on a dark horse. A brown or beige contour pad on a lighter horse. And don’t wear beige breeches. Wear something that will not contrast with the horse’s color so much. Think of it as lighter colors on a dark horse make a “division mark” to the horse’s length and it is easier to see that there is more length to the horse behind the leg or behind the saddle than there is in front.

Also, if you are trying to hide a long back, maybe don’t braid the tail. Try it at home with a French hunter braid in the tail and a regular tail and take photos. Make an outline of the horse’s photo on paper and fill it in like a silhouette and compare. What makes your horse look longer? Unbraided tails are becoming popular in the breed ring.

As for rubbing the tail, do not wrap the tail in anything at home. It is too great a risk of her rubbing the wrap and something tightening or shifting and cutting off circulation. The risk is too great.

Is it the top of the tail that she is rubbing? Is it just the whole back of the tail?

Itchy feathers are usually treated with a mixture of Listerine and baby oil. This keeps the skin conditioned and kills off any nasty fungal or bacterial issues that may irritate. Keep the hoo-ha area clean, keep the titties clean.

If she is just a perpetual slutty mare who wants to get it on with the water bucket or feed bucket, I am not sure how you are going to fix that. Maybe Regumate? Might be worth a try.

If it is the top of the tail head she is rubbing and she is rubbing on the wall, You could also try tail boards. A tail board is basically a shelf around the stall. You would put it below the part she is rubbing so that it barricades the top of her butt from making contact with the wall, just make sure it is not low enough for her to “sit” on because she will still make contact if she can sit on it. I can try to get pictures for you if you want. You see them in saddlebred barns usually.

If you are wanting to show your Morgan in the sporthorse division if it is held at the breed show, you need to first look at who the judge is. Did they hire a sporthorse judge or is it the regular Morgan judge officiating? They will be looking for different ideals.

A sporthorse judge will judge your horse like a sporthorse. You should have a traditional look with the white contour pad and beige breeches and conservative coat and shirt. Your horse should travel with a bit of a longer frame and doesn’t have to move like the pleasure horses. If the show can’t afford the separate judge and they use the breed judge, they will want to see a bit of a fancier mover.

If you want to poke around and see what was in the ring at Nationals, here is a video from 2015 from a pleasure class.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Morgan+Hunter+PLeasure+grand+national+2016&&view=detail&mid=A52E725EDBE84138DA59A52E725EDBE84138DA59&FORM=VRDGAR

This is from the Morgan hunter sporthorse division from Nationals in 2013 (sporthorse judge)

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Morgan+hunter+hack+grand+national&&view=detail&mid=986C5FC1D35639A40283986C5FC1D35639A40283&FORM=VRDGAR

The photographer’s website is here:
http://www.howardschatzberg.com/default.asp

go to the Grand National and World Championship show. The show is several days. Pleasure horses show in the coliseum and performance arena. Sport horses show in the sporthorse arena. Most of the hunter sporthorse classes are Tuesday and Wednesday I think, Mornings and afternoons.

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Wonder why she is itching her tail? In the ASB/Morgan show barns, I’ve worked out before we wrap the tail we spray with Listerine at the bone for dandruff and apply a good leave in conditioner, then wrap in soft cotton or silk that will not break the tail hair. Then use vet wrap or a tail wrap over it, make sure it is not tight. Make sure her lady areas are very clean or that can make them itchy. Plus a hay net with plenty of hay to occupy her.

Some people do sweat the throatlatch, we never bothered.

Too make a back appear shorter you need to make sure she is using it and its got proper muscling on it. A low back always looks long, imo. When in the ring make sure she is standing square and balanced. For a neck to appear longer you want a large quanity of thin braids. More braids=longer neck.[/QUOTE]

Just pointing out that you should never wrap anything on the tailbone. I think what luvmyhackney is posting is for braiding and bagging up the tail hair to grow a long tail. NOTHING should go around the bone which is not made clear in this post.