I just started shopping around for arena pricing to build and found a tension fabric arena in the size I want for sale for a steal just a couple hours away. What are the chances of that?! Has anyone moved one of these before? I don’t know the maker and have no idea where to even start to get quotes on having it disassembled, moved and reassembled at my place. Would traditional building movers know how to do these or am I better off tracking down the company that made it (if possible) and having them do it? Thanks for any help!
First find out who the manufacturer of the arena is and contact them directly. The large fabric covered buildings CAN be moved but it will not be inexpensive. Those steel support trusses are very heavy and can be dangerous to unbolt if not done correctly. This is not a do it yourself job at all. My entire Cover-All riding structure which was 70 x 140 was transported on 2 large flatbed trailers. The fabric simply rolls up into a large “ball”. Have fun with your idea. Its a good one. They make great riding arenas! I have a slideshow that my husband prepared showing how we erected ours…it might give you an idea what’s involved in putting on of these large fabric buildings together. PM me if you want me to send it to you.
As Cherham said. Don’t know how many companies make these. The company Clear Span seems to be the leader. At least they advertise the most.
I would contact them they will know by location if it is one of theirs. They have their own crew and or have relationships with local contractors who put these up. Even it is not one of theirs I would like to think they will give you a pretty exact price as to the cost of moving and erecting. It will require a crane and big trucks to take down and transport.
A big part of the cost is going to be in site preparation and installing the concrete footing the trusses bolt to. There are a lot of them. Some are installed on concrete “knee walls”. This elevates the structure to allow for more usable width.
I was quoted $200,000 to move one (80 X 200) a couple of years ago.
Oh wow Nancy! That is waaaaay more than I was thinking! LOL If that’s the case I’m better off starting new! I found out it’s a Norseman so I sent them an email to get an idea as to moving it costs/logistics. Fingers crossed it’s not $200,000! LOL
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Oh wow Nancy! That is waaaaay more than I was thinking! LOL If that’s the case I’m better off starting new! I found out it’s a Norseman so I sent them an email to get an idea as to moving it costs/logistics. Fingers crossed it’s not $200,000! LOL[/QUOTE]
When you buy a new building you pay for labor twice: once to move it to the site and once to put it up.
When you buy a used building you pay three times: the two noted above and once more to take it down. That last time can be really expensive because you have to “undo” that which was done by others. If they did the job correctly then the problem is less complicated. But if they took short cuts (like forcing connections that were not easy and damaging a component); welding something that should have been bolted because they couldn’t find a bolt; cutting fabric when trimming and folding was indicated; etc.) then the dismantling can get really expensive as you’ll have to repair any damage and may have to buy new components.
I’d look really hard at the disassembly costs and balance those against the costs of a new structure.
G.
Also factor in: age of structure, current condition and anticipated lifespan of fabric.
Still if the OP can get a good price on the original structure (say 50% off new price) she is ahead of the game. No way it should cost $200,000.00 to move one of these buildings. They can completely dismantle in 2 days plus loading and shipping costs on top of course. Not all the buildings are mounted on concrete blocks, it depends on the brand and design. Our old Cover-All (brand name) was in fact on concrete blocks and when we dismantled ours 2 years ago we sold the blocks for 3 times what we had originally paid for them. The steel arch supports are good for a very, very long time. I would not worry so much about the steel as the fabric cover. Site prep and permits are going to be the same for new vs used anyway so that will not matter.
Forgot to add that Norseman purchased Cover-all a few years ago. They are THE premier builder of fabric covered buildings. Our arena model is still available exactly as we had purchased 10 years ago. Wonderful building…
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I was quoted $200,000 to move one (80 X 200) a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]
Wow. When I called Clear Span to get a quote on a 100X200 it was around that number. Which surprised me I figured it would be a lot cheaper than a traditionally wood framed 90X200. (90 foot truss spain can be bought “off the self” these days. Used to be 80’)
The Clear Span quote only included delivery and set up and no “ends”. I would do the site prep and build the “ends” along with electric and water.
I decided against this type of of Indoor for financial reasons. They are not considered “permanent structures” when it comes to resale of the property. I was told by my bank and real-estate agent that it would not be taken into, add to the appraised value of the property. The bank would not finance it also. Clear Span does offer financing.
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Oh wow Nancy! That is waaaaay more than I was thinking! LOL If that’s the case I’m better off starting new! I found out it’s a Norseman so I sent them an email to get an idea as to moving it costs/logistics. Fingers crossed it’s not $200,000! LOL[/QUOTE]
Me too! Way more. Around here I was quoted under that for a “wood” built 90X200 basic but nice indoor. I would be the GC and do the site prep in addition to the cost of the building and construction.
They are not “temporary structures” in any sense of the word. Traditional steel and wood arenas can also be dismantled and moved. So can houses.
Property values are not usually increased for any type of “riding arena” so that’s a mute point also. Fabric or traditional steel roof. As with in ground swimming pools you build for your own pleasure not to increase the value of your property.
Although I am in Canada I have never heard of a financial lender refusing to finance any structure if it meets Provincial and Municipal building codes. Perhaps things are different in the US.
A 100 x 200 fabric covered arena at $200,000.00 is a steal of a deal in my opinion.
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They are not “temporary structures” in any sense of the word. Traditional steel and wood arenas can also be dismantled and moved. So can houses.
Property values are not usually increased for any type of “riding arena” so that’s a mute point also. Fabric or traditional steel roof. As with in ground swimming pools you build for your own pleasure not to increase the value of your property.
Although I am in Canada I have never heard of a financial lender refusing to finance any structure if it meets Provincial and Municipal building codes. Perhaps things are different in the US.
A 100 x 200 fabric covered arena at $200,000.00 is a steal of a deal in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
While the ClearSpan type building is not really “temporary” in a practical sense in the arcane world of real estate valuation they might, in fact, be considered “temporary structures.” It’s a question of definition, not objective reality.
Concur conditionally on the question of a covered/indoor arena adding value. I think the answer is still “it depends.”
The first question the lender will look to have answered is the value of the property in question, presuming that the financing method will be a second mortgage. They will not care about the value enhancing qualities of any improvement until that improvement is ACTUALLY complete.
If the financing is based upon the overall credit worthiness of the borrower (who will pay interest at the signature rate) then they really won’t care too much about what the money is used for (as long as it’s reasonable).
Should the borrower have a stock portfolio then they can do a margin loan. Interest rates there would be more than a mortgage but less than a signature loan.
G.
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They are not “temporary structures” in any sense of the word. Traditional steel and wood arenas can also be dismantled and moved. So can houses.
Property values are not usually increased for any type of “riding arena” so that’s a mute point also. Fabric or traditional steel roof. As with in ground swimming pools you build for your own pleasure not to increase the value of your property.
Although I am in Canada I have never heard of a financial lender refusing to finance any structure if it meets Provincial and Municipal building codes. Perhaps things are different in the US.
A 100 x 200 fabric covered arena at $200,000.00 is a steal of a deal in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I was remiss in not saying “around here”, my county in SE PA.
“They are not “temporary structures” in any sense of the word. Traditional steel and wood arenas can also be dismantled and moved. So can houses”
While I don’t entirely disagree. I have torn down and moved a big barn. It was a lot bigger job than I expected. I looked into moving a house. I have watched House Movers, I have seen houses moved in person. And I have watched one of these being put up.
This is FAR more easily taken apart and moved than the others mentioned. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a U-Tub video to be found.
As far as calling it a “temporary structure” those are not my words nor definition. Unless things have changed from 6+ years ago. That is what my County considers them. Which from a property tax stand point is a good thing.
“I have never heard of a financial lender refusing to finance”
You’re in Canada not in my County in my state dealing with my bank. I could finance it with the equity in my farm. But not with a “building loan”. As I have gotten with other projects.
“As with in ground swimming pools you build for your own pleasure not to increase the value of your property”
Absolutely true. If I had the luxury of being able to own a hobby farm I would have had a large indoor for years. But my farm is my business. Anybody that owns a business makes capital improvements totally based on return on investment. There will come a day/year when it is time to sell. The majority of people that own a farm, especially a horse farm. Keep a keen eye on property values. This is our 401K retirement plan.
Property values around have barely gotten back to where they were in 2006. And this is high end horse country. Can’t swing a cat without hitting 5 horses if not more. Having an indoor is a big plus when selling horse property around here. But they still don’t add much to the overall value of the property. They can be a big help, selling point.
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They are not “temporary structures” in any sense of the word. Traditional steel and wood arenas can also be dismantled and moved. So can houses.
Property values are not usually increased for any type of “riding arena” so that’s a mute point also. Fabric or traditional steel roof. As with in ground swimming pools you build for your own pleasure not to increase the value of your property.
Although I am in Canada I have never heard of a financial lender refusing to finance any structure if it meets Provincial and Municipal building codes. Perhaps things are different in the US.
A 100 x 200 fabric covered arena at $200,000.00 is a steal of a deal in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I think that amount was just for moving it, plus what the OP has to pay to the seller?
For that amount they should be able to build a new steel arena same size and that will last forever, not need a new roof after so many years and continuous repairs.
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While the ClearSpan type building is not really “temporary” in a practical sense in the arcane world of real estate valuation they might, in fact, be considered “temporary structures.” It’s a question of definition, not objective reality.
Concur conditionally on the question of a covered/indoor arena adding value. I think the answer is still “it depends.”
The first question the lender will look to have answered is the value of the property in question, presuming that the financing method will be a second mortgage. They will not care about the value enhancing qualities of any improvement until that improvement is ACTUALLY complete.
If the financing is based upon the overall credit worthiness of the borrower (who will pay interest at the signature rate) then they really won’t care too much about what the money is used for (as long as it’s reasonable).
Should the borrower have a stock portfolio then they can do a margin loan. Interest rates there would be more than a mortgage but less than a signature loan.
G.[/QUOTE]
Didn’t think I had to go into that kind of detail. lol
There are all kinds of personal loans to be had. Depending on the person and their needs.
Business loans are handled in a completely different way. I was remiss in not saying I was looking for a “business loan”. My farm is my business. No outside income. I did not want to personally guarantee, sign for it. I wanted the value of the structure and increased property value to be the “collateral”.
I could get a business loan for a “stick framed” indoor. My bank a very horse friendly bank, the president hunts on a regularly. A fixed foundation indoor is considered a multipurpose structure
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Oh wow Nancy! That is waaaaay more than I was thinking! LOL If that’s the case I’m better off starting new! I found out it’s a Norseman so I sent them an email to get an idea as to moving it costs/logistics. Fingers crossed it’s not $200,000! LOL[/QUOTE]
LOL yes, I was a bit taken aback by that quote too. The structure was a
“coverall”. That company no longer exists under this name. But the same people operate locally under another name now, and that was who I contacted. When I choked on the price of moving the structure, I enquired about the price of a new one of the same dimensions instead. That was $500,000. I gagged on that one too.
I think that with the original company being found liable for collapses elsewhere on the continent, their insurance costs went up substantially, and that new prices have that added into the costs of the structures, and moving the structures, “should” collapses occur again in the future.
As it turned out, it was not something I needed to become involved with after all. Great relief.
I think that the information you have on the Cover-All is totally incorrect. The structure that collapsed was totally different then the traditional “riding arena” building would encompass. There is no insurance cost implication at all. Different company now. No risk at all…still highly recommend this structure without hesitation.
