My co-worker's horse choked... Update: Mare went over the rainbow bridge

So, co-worker and his wife have two horses…an old arab mare and a late teens/maybe 20’s fat pinto thing. They got them several years ago for free - neither co-worker nor his wife know anything about horses and had ZERO experience prior to taking these two horses. They do not ride them; they are simply backyard pets.

I hadn’t seem them in a few years but knew the arab was older. I helped him get hay this summer with my truck, and when we got to his house, the arab mare was skinny. I told him that she was skinny and he said “yeah, I thought she looked like she had lost weight this summer…” My response was “If you want her to live through winter you need to do something different…if you lived where the public could see her, someone would have turned you in by now.” For real. He just didn’t realize she was “that skinny.” I convinced him to switch what she was eating (junk Poulin sweet feed, their cheapest grain basically) to Poulin E-Tec Low Carb Senior. I recommended soaking since she is old and it would lessen her risk of choke.

He comes in this morning and says “oh, skinny mare choked on that grain, it’s bad it has beet pulp in it.” I asked if he had been soaking it - of course not.

Horse choked Wednesday night.

Co-worker tried to use water from garden hose to flush it out. It didn’t work so he had the vet come.

Vet tubes the horse, says that he thinks its almost to the stomach based on how much tube he got into the horse. Gave horse banamine, told co-worker that when choke had passed horse would start drinking water again. He said to remove all food until that happens. Then he left. [this is per co-worker telling me this this morning]

Today is Friday. Co-worker says that horse still hasn’t drank water and seems like the obstruction is still there based on her behavior. I asked if she’s been getting banamine to help with the pain/swelling in her throat to encourage it to pass easier. Nope. Vet never said anything about that.

I encouraged him to call his vet back today, now, to not wait longer. He said he would call his wife (who doesn’t know jack sh*t about horses) and see what she wanted to do. :confused:

I am hoping their vet will come back out and at least give the poor horse some banamine.

They aren’t neglecting the horse on purpose but it really gets under my skin that they are neglecting her because of ignorance. He knows I’ve had horses forever and have had my fair share of educational experiences, yet defers to the wife who doesn’t have a clue. Fine, dont’ believe me, but please CALL THE VET BACK!

And have the vet listen to the lungs and check for aspiration pneumonia.

Poor mare :frowning:

[QUOTE=saje;8390860]
And have the vet listen to the lungs and check for aspiration pneumonia.

Poor mare :([/QUOTE]

Yes, I told him that he shouldn’t have done that with the water, and to never do it again. He said the vet never mentioned aspiration pneumonia as a possibility. :mad:

Sounds like they may need a different vet, too.

[QUOTE=Gainer;8390934]
Sounds like they may need a different vet, too.[/QUOTE]

I concur. We don’t have the greatest options around here though. The one he uses is one of the more decent ones too.

Good lord god maude.

That poor horse. I’m sorry you have to deal with that from afar - I tend to cut those people out of my life pretty quickly, but obviously this one you can’t. I just can’t stand the ignorance. I’d like to change it, but I do what I can towards local education projects (putting together a microchipping/vet education seminar right now for our local horse community) and I really hate dealing on an individual basis. How do these people successfully raise children, either?

Unfortunately, this is not uncommon. There are a LOT of horse owners like this. Good intentions, but totally uneducated, and generally without a lot of money. Most of us see the “Sport horse” and “Show horse” situation - which is WAY different then the typical back yard owner (and some of them aren’t actually in the back yard, they may be at a low cost boarding facility).

Poor mare.

[QUOTE=thatmoody;8390952]
Good lord god maude.

That poor horse. I’m sorry you have to deal with that from afar - I tend to cut those people out of my life pretty quickly, but obviously this one you can’t. I just can’t stand the ignorance. I’d like to change it, but I do what I can towards local education projects (putting together a microchipping/vet education seminar right now for our local horse community) and I really hate dealing on an individual basis. How do these people successfully raise children, either?[/QUOTE]

I do what I can to educate; he seems to take a lot of it in.

On a positive note, they do get them trimmed by a competent farrier every 6-8 weeks and they do see a vet each spring.

Well, his wife called a few minutes ago - the vet came back out and checked her and the obstruction has passed. That’s good at least.

No help to offer, but I can certainly commiserate. Our local horse culture, for the most part, is pitifully, willfully ignorant. A neighbor of mine was STUNNED when he found out that there was an actual tool for trimming his horse’s feet. Further, he was AMAZED at how much more willing the horse was to having her feet trimmed when he used it.

Yes, he does trim his own horses feet. I’ve never witnessed this, but really can’t imagine why he hasn’t been kicked to the moon. He was using garden shears.

[QUOTE=Hermein;8392167]
No help to offer, but I can certainly commiserate. Our local horse culture, for the most part, is pitifully, willfully ignorant. A neighbor of mine was STUNNED when he found out that there was an actual tool for trimming his horse’s feet. Further, he was AMAZED at how much more willing the horse was to having her feet trimmed when he used it.

Yes, he does trim his own horses feet. I’ve never witnessed this, but really can’t imagine why he hasn’t been kicked to the moon. He was using garden shears.[/QUOTE]

blink

garden shears??

[QUOTE=Hermein;8392167]
No help to offer, but I can certainly commiserate. Our local horse culture, for the most part, is pitifully, willfully ignorant. A neighbor of mine was STUNNED when he found out that there was an actual tool for trimming his horse’s feet. Further, he was AMAZED at how much more willing the horse was to having her feet trimmed when he used it.

Yes, he does trim his own horses feet. I’ve never witnessed this, but really can’t imagine why he hasn’t been kicked to the moon. He was using garden shears.[/QUOTE]

:eek: Oh my!

[QUOTE=Hermein;8392167]

Yes, he does trim his own horses feet. I’ve never witnessed this, but really can’t imagine why he hasn’t been kicked to the moon. He was using garden shears.[/QUOTE]

:eek:

Honestly, it is just painful that people can own animals and remain so ignorant. No, not everyone has to be an expert, and no, there’s nothing wrong with keeping a couple of pasture puffs as pets. But why wouldn’t one at least buy a book about horse care? There are plenty out there geared towards inexperienced owners. I would expect that of anyone and think its common sense to learn about any animal you are keeping as a pet–whether a horse, dog, cat, bird, turtle, whatever.

People, they never cease to amaze.

[QUOTE=Gainer;8390934]
Sounds like they may need a different vet, too.[/QUOTE]

Having heard what has actually been said versus what is being repeated by more than one owner over the years I tend to not jump on the ‘bad vet’ bandwagon and assume that lots of times it is the owners not hearing or wanting to hear.

OP, I guess I know what you are getting this coworker for Christmas; a good book on horse care.

[QUOTE=trubandloki;8393923]
Having heard what has actually been said versus what is being repeated by more than one owner over the years I tend to not jump on the ‘bad vet’ bandwagon and assume that lots of times it is the owners not hearing or wanting to hear.

OP, I guess I know what you are getting this coworker for Christmas; a good book on horse care.[/QUOTE]

The vet they use isn’t awful - but we are really limited in our area for decent vets that do house visits. There are a few that do, but the advice they give sometimes has me scratching my head (like, the vet who told me a few weeks ago to give my mare banamine IM for her colic episode. I realize you can give Banamine IM - but it’s not a risk I choose to take).

ETA: I agree - when I asked him what the vet said about continuing banamine for her, he said they hadn’t spoken with him since Wednesday night. This was Friday morning. I advised him to call his vet back that very day and let him know that the obstruction still had not cleared, in hopes that the vet would then at least suggest another visit for the mare. The vet did come back out on Friday afternoon but did not leave them any banamine. He instructed them to just make her grain soupy for a few days.

Your coworker and his wife sound clueless but caring and trainable, which is way better than clueless an uncaring. If they’re getting feet done and vet visits for horses they didn’t even really want in the first place, I think that’s a good sign. I’m sure it’s frustrating, but at least you have a chance to train them.

[QUOTE=SuckerForHorses;8390797]
He knows I’ve had horses forever and have had my fair share of educational experiences, yet defers to the wife who doesn’t have a clue.[/QUOTE]

I’m assuming he has to call his wife first because a vet costs money.

I’m afraid the bad is he’ll feel he wasted money having the vet come out again and will be even more reluctant to call in the future.:no:

That’s an awful, helpless position you’re in. Hugs.

[QUOTE=Bicoastal;8394245]
I’m assuming he has to call his wife first because a vet costs money.

I’m afraid the bad is he’ll feel he wasted money having the vet come out again and will be even more reluctant to call in the future.:no:

That’s an awful, helpless position you’re in. Hugs.[/QUOTE]

Re: calling the wife. He didn’t mean to get her permission to call the vet. He just defers to her because she knows more than him about the horses (I think?) He was saying it in a way like she would know if the horse should get banamine, whether the vet even needed to be called again, etc. He is the one who pays the bills anyways, she doesn’t work.

He isn’t one to consider it wasted money on the vet - they are both very compassionate and love their pets.

That all being said - we chatted this morning because he said over the weekend the mare seemed dull and seemed to lie down a lot more than usual, although she was eating her soupy senior feed well. I told him to keep an eye on her, to note any coughing, respiratory changes (increased, noisy, etc) and to monitor her temperature twice a day just in case she starts taking a turn for the worse, he may have a headstart on noticing changes that aren’t visible.

He just came over minutes ago and said that his wife just called him and the mare now has diarrhea :no: They have another call into the vet and he’s discussing the possibility of putting the mare down - which, personally, I think is not a bad idea. She’s old, thin, and with the potential for aspiration pneumonia, this isn’t a good time for an old horse going into winter.

I’ll update when I hear back.

[QUOTE=Mango20;8394188]
Your coworker and his wife sound clueless but caring and trainable, which is way better than clueless an uncaring. If they’re getting feet done and vet visits for horses they didn’t even really want in the first place, I think that’s a good sign. I’m sure it’s frustrating, but at least you have a chance to train them.[/QUOTE]

Oh, they wanted them :lol: Well, she wanted them…he could’ve done without them because he’s the one who pays for and cares for them, but now that they have them, he loves them too.

[QUOTE=trubandloki;8393923 . . . ]

OP, I guess I know what you are getting this coworker for Christmas; a good book on horse care.[/QUOTE]

Ditto, although you can’t make them read it or take the advice in it at least you’ll have done the best you can (apart from stalking them and kidnapping their horses to take them to the vet, and even I won’t go that far).