My dogs and I were attacked by a pitt bull this morning (we're OK)

Different breeds are bred for different purposes.

My father’s llewellyn setters were bred to point and to retrieve birds. Dogs that killed or tore up birds that they retrieved were often killed by the breeders.

My chosen breed has always been australian shepherds. Aussies who kill or harm sheep, ducks/cattle are often killed by the breeders.

Pitt bulls in GA are trained to kill wild hogs. They are trained by people who throw cats and other breeds of dogs into the pens for the pitt bulls to kill. I personally know police that have raided such places. I know a probation officer in coastal GA who rescued a cat from a pitt bull when he saw the owner, a white male, throw the cat in the pen. The defendant went to jail. I watched that court hearing. We had a secretary in Atlanta who lived in a county north of Atlanta. Her pit bull pulled down one of her father’s cows and would not let go even when beaten until the cow was dead.
Not in Fulton, but in Atlanta/Dekalb, several adults and children were killed by pitt bulls owned in neighborhoods.
When you own a dog trained and bred originally to kill bears, and now trained and bred to kill feral hogs and poor old dogs and cats given to them for bait by their owners, you are responsible to keep your killer dogs away from innocent people and their innocent animals.
I have no sympathy for pitt bull owners.
My aussies kept me from being mugged and/or burglarized in St Louis and Atlanta. I did not need a killer dog.

I’ll be honest, I hate sewing up dogs from dog fights, but I’d rather deal with a pit than many other breeds. I have RARELY dealt with one that couldn’t be trusted 100% even when in lots of pain and it seems that the ones mixed with other breeds were the ones I had to be cautious with. However, it does seem that we see more dogs who had altercations with pits than other breeds. I can’t say who instigated the fights since we weren’t there but I think remembering that they are TERRIERS is important.

It’s bad owners, not the breed. All the Pitts I know are the sweetest, most reliably good-tempered of all my friends’ dogs. Because they are 1) well bred 2) well raised 3) well trained 4) well socialized and not left out alone where they will be stressed out and feel they have to protect their territory.

Ban the breed? No! Ban some owners from keeping one, yes. Put a stop to backyard breeding of crappy dogs, YES! And, that should apply to any dog. Some people just shouldn’t have a dog at all.

The dogs that have attacked me and/or my dogs have been a JRT and a “Pomapoo”, whatever that is, some kind of designer mutt. Fortunately, they were tiny and I able to just kick them off and away from my dog, , but not until they’d drawn blood on my much larger dog (who had the self-restraint not to just kill it, because I told her “LEAVE IT”).

[QUOTE=Sswor;8886256]
You are very lucky you were not maimed or killed, as you did what a lot of us would have done–you put your life on the line for your dog.

I agree with you, but it is both the breed/type AND the owners.

Some of the pit owners who swear up and down it is 100% the owners, will be surprised some day. Not all, but some, and that’s a roulette I would never play.[/QUOTE]

Agree with this. It is both. And while some breeds are more prone to bite, this breeds size and power more often leads to death.

Another person mentioned Pits and how they sometimes seem to lack the ability read or respond to other dogs social cues. I don’t think that’s limited to Pits, but it can lead to dire results quickly. I take my two to the dog park. Mine are mid size dogs and get along with almost all dogs. We get a fair number of pits at the park. Some are ok But there are many that do not play appropriately and are on the verge of violence and mayhem. You can see the other dogs quickly take stock and retreat, and the pit become more aggressive. The owners generally have no clue. I tried to talk with one gentleman one day about his dogs behavior, pointing out the signs of aggression vs. play. He told me she was gentle and to mind my own business. I see those dogs come in, I snap on my leashes and depart. It is the owner and the dog. Unfortunately for the pit, the risk of killing a person Or animal before help arrives is simply too great.

I know several pits personally. They are lovely and in the hands of good owners. I personally would never feel comfortable with one. I’ve seen too much to trust even the nicest seeming one with other dogs in the house.

I’m sorry but I find you both a bit ridiculous. They are animals. That breed of dog is as purpose bred as any on earth. I don’t know her first owners. There was a mediator involved with her being rehomed to me. She has not killed a dog in the 7 years I have owned her. I have worked very hard to get her to where she is but the reality is she can’t be trusted. She has never touched a barn cat but she will kill any wild animal she encounters and has issues with other dogs. She learned to live with my Dobe but periodically would attack him. He in turn did try to kill her twice. Nobody else is subjected to the risk involved with her except me. Understand the difference yet? I don’t take her to dog parks or any of the other idiotic things that people do with that type of dog. I manage the hell out of her and it works. She is one of the best dogs I have ever owned in every other way.

I understand that if just anyone else had taken her from the original people that imported her it could have been a very bad situation with an unpleasant outcome but luckily this story has had a happy ending. You are dead wrong…I am part of the solution and if she had not been able to be rehabbed to an acceptable degree she would have had to have been euthanized. Most dogs can be fixed. Some can’t. Most dogs with issues aren’t lucky enough for the stars to align and get matched up with someone that can help them. I am not saying I am the end all of dog trainers but this dog was one that I understood enough to be able to help. Why either of you feel the need to $hit on that I don’t fully understand.

And yes I do see a difference between my dog attacking other animals and small children. Full size children too. Call me crazy…

[QUOTE=MDMom;8886184]
It’s interesting how we try to classify in order to protect ourselves, even when that classification may be false.

Think about it. A pit bull (or a dog that appears to be a pit bull even if it is a case of mistaken identification) bites someone. Instead of blaming the owners, we blame the breed. We ignore all the attacks by other breeds and focus on pit bulls. This has been done in the past with Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rottweilers.

Put the blame where it belongs. On the owner, not the breed.[/QUOTE]

the owner did not bite someone. And if it’s not the breed, then how are there so many attacks on animals and even people? It IS the breed. The problem is the bad owners who don’t restrict their dog from leaving their property. There are good owners who find a way to keep their dogs inside their property. And yet, the dog would still still go after other animals if it was loose. that is B/c it IS the breed. They are Terriers, and they are huge. It is the nature of a Pit Bull to go after smaller animals.

[QUOTE=gypsymare;8886600]
I worked as a vet tech north of Orlando for awhile about 10 years ago, so I got to handle a lot of dogs. Now, my interactions were primarily with good dog owners coming in for yearly vaccinations and a variety of breeds. Of that pool of good owners with their family pets I did not encounter one aggressive Pitt. Every single one was a love and tolerant of normal procedures including fecal sampling up the bum and blood draws. Even the one feral brought in for heart worm treatment stoically accepted the needles in her back.

Now, LABRADORS. Holy cow. There were several labs and lab mixes that needed to be muzzled. the only other dog of concern was an old Dobie but he was more stiff and grumbly than anything.

A cop friend of mine was severely bitten on several occasions by his working Malinois who have earned the nickname in protection cirlcles as “Malligators”.

They are a large breed dog with strong jaws but I do not believe they are inherently any more aggressive than a Labrador, Rottweiler, Doberman, GSD, etc. They do attract lousy owners but if they are banned I only see another breed stepping up to take its place.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.

Bad dogs of every color, stripe, and breed.

My issue with “pit mixes” is that it’s too wide a term: everything from a terrier to a mastiff seems to be bundled/labeled into this one massive group.

It seems that block-headed type dogs as a whole get the short end of the stick; they’re popular within a certain demographic, and that demographic usually does not neuter them, so they breed indiscriminately, and perpetuate the stereotype of being ‘aggro-dogs’.

My family, extended and otherwise, has four Am-Staff mixes. You could not ask for sweeter dogs.

Meanwhile, the GSDs are real sneaky pieces of work. Bad eggs in every breed – and GSDs are MY breed!

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And yes I do see a difference between my dog attacking other animals and small children. Full size children too. Call me crazy…[/QUOTE]

I didn’t ask you if you saw a difference. I asked you if you truly thought it was “acceptable” that your dog attacked multiple other animals (presumably some were companion animals?) vs people. And clearly, you think it’s totally ok. Duly noted.

[QUOTE=ASBJumper;8887098]
I didn’t ask you if you saw a difference. I asked you if you truly thought it was “acceptable” that your dog attacked multiple other animals (presumably some were companion animals?) vs people. And clearly, you think it’s totally ok. Duly noted.[/QUOTE]

Oh boy. You’re a fighty one. Some terrier in you I’m guessing.

If I thought it were acceptable I don’t suppose I would have done a damn thing about it. I would have let her run around killing all the things. I would have taken her everywhere and let all the people who constantly insist that their dog “play” with her despite my insistence that that could never happen have a go. What I actually did was intensive training and limited her exposure to any other dogs and didn’t put her in a position where she could make that sort of mistake ever again. But keep shaming me and insisting she should be dead and I’m a bad dog owner. The point of the initial discussion was more about the people that don’t do as I have done with a potentially dangerous breed.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8887092]
Agreed.

Bad dogs of every color, stripe, and breed.

My issue with “pit mixes” is that it’s too wide a term: everything from a terrier to a mastiff seems to be bundled/labeled into this one massive group.

It seems that block-headed type dogs as a whole get the short end of the stick; they’re popular within a certain demographic, and that demographic usually does not neuter them, so they breed indiscriminately, and perpetuate the stereotype of being ‘aggro-dogs’.

My family, extended and otherwise, has four Am-Staff mixes. You could not ask for sweeter dogs.

Meanwhile, the GSDs are real sneaky pieces of work. Bad eggs in every breed – and GSDs are MY breed![/QUOTE]

I think that if GSDs were as common among the “thug classes” as the pit-types seem to be, we’d be seeing a lot more nasty GSDs. Given an unknown pittie vs. and unknown GSD/Malinois, I’d approach the pittie first (assuming I read its body language as OK). And I own the sweetest GSD on the planet! But as stated above, GSDs can be sneaky, sneaky bastards. And many of them are smarter than their owners.

Almost every vet tech I’ve encountered goes for a muzzle when it’s time for blood draw on my guy. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t hurt a fly, but he’s got big teeth, and if he gets scared, he might snap. I don’t blame them since they are working from experience.

[QUOTE=sisu27;8887130]
Oh boy. You’re a fighty one. Some terrier in you I’m guessing.

If I thought it were acceptable I don’t suppose I would have done a damn thing about it. I would have let her run around killing all the things. I would have taken her everywhere and let all the people who constantly insist that their dog “play” with her despite my insistence that that could never happen have a go. What I actually did was intensive training and limited her exposure to any other dogs and didn’t put her in a position where she could make that sort of mistake ever again. But keep shaming me and insisting she should be dead and I’m a bad dog owner. The point of the initial discussion was more about the people that don’t do as I have done with a potentially dangerous breed.[/QUOTE]

You are crazy. You own a dog that has killed several animals (and it sounds like they weren’t rats & rabbits). The dog should have been put down. End of story. There was no reason for your Dobe to attacked besides your own vanity.

[QUOTE=toady123;8886166]
The problem is bad owners with inappropriate breeds - you can’t say the dog is not part of the equation. Pit bulls and other assertive breeds can be a disaster if the are not properly managed. Add to the fact that breeds like pits are bred indescrimintantly, often with aggressiveness as the goal and it’s a recipe for disaster.

While I agree it’s unfortunate for the dogs who lose, I think there are cases where the bans serve the greater good - because people will act like idiots and won’t make good choices. I live in Ontario where we have a province wide ban and honestly I don’t miss having them around.

I know my feelings are unpopular, but they are mine nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

So should we also ban GSDs, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Mastiffs, Akitas, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, and even Giant Schnauzers? Because they are all guard dog breeds who are often bred indiscriminately because people think they look cool. In fact, most dogs are bred indiscriminately! Look at golden/labradoodles! If you continue down that path you’ll get to the point that the only breeds that aren’t banned are Pomeranians and Maltese. And we’ve all seen what those little ankle biters can do.

Pit bulls are not inherently aggressive. Some are aggressive, and I’m willing to say that those dogs should be euthanized. But the dogs who have lived their entire lives doing nothing but snuggling with their owner do not deserve to “lose” as you put it. And that is the majority of the pit bull population.

For anyone really interested in the history of pittbulls and dangerous dog stats should read this book:

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/science/review-pit-bull-by-bronwen-dickey.amp.html

I have no “dog in this fight”. Bully breeds are not my preference and I try to avoid any of the completely decisive issues like Pit Bulls and breed bans.

But this book is well written, a good read, and I found it very enlightening. I am a scientist and found the evidence compelling.

But if you are hard core on either side of the issue, don’t bother.

[QUOTE=red mares;8886331]
I think you guys who think the breed has nothing to do with it are on crack.

Of course the breeding of a dog has an impact on it’s temperament. All the attacks by pits are not due solely on ownership issues. There have been too many for it to be all owner caused.

OP, I had a scary moment on Friday as I was leaving my house. A big, black pit bull was jumping around a woman pushing a baby stroller on the main street. Poor woman was terrified. I stopped but couldn’t do anything. I had a boot on my foot and a cat in the car; I was as vulnerable as she was. Thankfully, someone (owner???) came up with a rope or leash in hand trying to catch the dog. The dog may or may not have been playing, I really don’t know. I wished I had a camera handy when it happened.

Any dog who attacks should be put down. Period. No three strikes, no second chance, just one and done. There are plenty of dogs out there, if yours goes after someone/something too bad.[/QUOTE]

Wait. So because the dog was jumping around the baby stroller and not actually showing aggression (at least from your description) it must obviously be attacking? Sorry for the woman who was scared, and the dog should absolutely have been under control, but just wanting to see what was in the stroller isn’t aggression. Not without growling, guarding, posturing, or showing teeth.

And euthanizing any dog that “attacks?” What about your 12lb terrier mix who bit a man who got too close? What about your Rottweiler who lunged at a robber who entered your home? What about your Golden who bit the dog that had been giving her dirty looks the whole walk home? What about your Maltese who bit the kid that has poked him in the eye every time he sees him? Should all of those dogs be euthanized? It’s too hard to decide what is an unprovoked attack versus a provoked attack. Your blanket statement just doesn’t work in practice.

[QUOTE=red mares;8887271]
You are crazy. You own a dog that has killed several animals (and it sounds like they weren’t rats & rabbits). The dog should have been put down. End of story. There was no reason for your Dobe to attacked besides your own vanity.[/QUOTE]

Are you for real? I can’t be the only person to own farm dogs that kill things. Rats and rabbits yes and skunks and raccoon and muskrat… My Dobe killed more skunks than any dog I have ever known. How is that unusual? So all dogs that do that for a living should be put down?!? What is wrong with you people? For the record she and the Dobe also slept curled up together and hunted together and when he passed away a little over a month ago she was quite affected. She loved him too.

The dog poses no risk to anyone. She is living the ideal life for her. She is a well loved member of the family. Why this can’t be accepted is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Perfect10;8887310]
Wait. So because the dog was jumping around the baby stroller and not actually showing aggression (at least from your description) it must obviously be attacking? Sorry for the woman who was scared, and the dog should absolutely have been under control, but just wanting to see what was in the stroller isn’t aggression. Not without growling, guarding, posturing, or showing teeth.

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The terriers in the video I posted are not growling and showing teeth. They are wagging their tails in excitement before they make their kill.

On the issue of a dog jumping around a baby stroller, though, it doesn’t matter what the breed. That was totally wrong to allow to happen, especially if was not that woman’s dog.

[QUOTE=skyon;8887400]
The terriers in the video I posted are not growling and showing teeth. They are wagging their tails in excitement before they make their kill.

On the issue of a dog jumping around a baby stroller, though, it doesn’t matter what the breed. That was totally wrong to allow to happen, especially if was not that woman’s dog.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, which I pointed out in my response. It should not have happened because the dog should have been contained in some way.

I should also amend my earlier statement. Fixation is another sign of aggression, which the terriers in your video show.

[QUOTE=ASBJumper;8886571]
Yep - that’s the thing. Those of us in favour of a breed ban are certainly NOT going to deny that there are plenty of breeds more likely to bite than a pittie.

I.don’t.care. What frightens me is not the LIKELIHOOD of a bite (any bite), but the possibility, however slight, of a severe mauling requiring hospitalization or worse.

I’ll take my chances with most dogs, thanks - but an animal who will attack and not let go, trying to rip me to shreds? Um… that’s where I cry uncle. :eek:

And I do think restrictions regarding other large and powerful breeds wouldn’t be remiss, either… AFAIC, the only reason Cane Corsos/Presa Canarios and Bull Mastiffs have escaped breed bans around here is because of their extreme rarity. They make me just as nervous, though…[/QUOTE]

Absolutely!

Many dogs will bite or snap given the reason or chance, very few will maul or kill…pit bulls are the majority of those very few.

I also strongly agree that there should be restrictions regarding other large breeds because quite a few of them are owned by people that are either bad owners or by owners that cannot physically restrain them if the need ever arises.

[QUOTE=MustangSavvy;8886639]
It is the owner not the dog. Proper socialization and training are very important! BSL does not work. Period. I might add that Pit Bill is not a actual breed of dog, and most people cannot properly identify these breeds.[/QUOTE]

That’s why the term “pit bull type” is legally used here in Ontario within our “pit bull and pit bull type”.

I strongly disagree that it’s just a case of it being the owner and not the dog. In many of the cases of attacks and killings it could have been prevented by the owners. But regardless of whether they could have been prevented, the pit bull and pit bull type do have the inherent breeding to attack, maim and possibly kill.

Anyone that doesn’t see this is being willfully ignorant about these dogs.

[QUOTE=CanadianTrotter;8887520]

Anyone that doesn’t see this is being willfully ignorant about these dogs.[/QUOTE]

The pittie advocates just don’t get it, as evidenced by more recent comments of the “pitties are not inherently more aggressive than other dog breeds” variety.

Let’s put it another way. Try to really drive the point home.

Say you want to get a car.

Car salesman presents you with two appealing options. Car Number 1 is “more likely” to have mild mechanical issues from time to time, but they are going to be minor issues and easy fixes.

Car number 2 is very, very reliable - “far less likely” to have any issues. However, if an issue DOES crop up with car number 2, it’s going to be major… like, “engine suddenly dying on the highway when you’re going 100 miles/hr” major.

Who the hell would risk their life with Car Number 2? Seriously - I wanna know!!

I hope this illustrates the point most of us are trying to get across.

I don’t care, I don’t care, I don’t CARE how “rare” it is for a Pittie to “snap”. I don’t care. It’s what happens when that one, rare “bad apple” DOES and a human being is in the vicinity that I have a problem with!!

And yes, I do feel this also applies to other known dangerous breeds like Presas, Cane Corsos, Bull Mastiffs… absolutely. But that was not the subject of this thread.