I can make an educated guess as to who you are Holy Horseshoes Batman and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your post…I’m also sobbing as I read it. To know exactly how much sweet Fella suffered and how callous he was treated by Ellen breaks my heart…and infuriates me. NO horse deserves to be treated this way and to know I left my daughter’s wonderful pony in this woman’s clutches makes me ill. I will never ever forgive myself.
Also thank you for the kind words about my sweet Bailey. He was very special.
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So we have the OP who has given very detailed accounts of what happened, why the horses haven’t moved, and her actions since.
Then we have those supporting EDH and they are name calling about someones sexual orientation, and swearing.
Gee I wonder who has the better character here.
I would never in a million years believe a working student over many boarders and people in training. Most working students are totally in awe of the person they work for and can’t see the forest through the trees.
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No, both sides are nasty but some have edited faster 
I am not on either side.
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5). Buzz and the Banamine charge.
Buzz (of the previous cellulitis leg) had ulcers, and was very sensitive to them. He was not on any feed through ulcer medications at the time, (just slow Vera juice) and this was after he had done a round of Gastro/Ulcerguard. Everybody was well aware of this, including Stormy. She even joked about him being a “Banamine addict”. Buzz was known to act colicky after being worked too close to having any grain. He was in training at the time (with Ellen) and had been ridden probably an hour after eating. He was acting uncomfortable afterwards (nothing new, we had been dealing with his ulcer issues for a few months, and he would recieve banamine if needed) so he was given 10cc banamine. Was fine in 1/2 an hour, once again, like usual. Ellen is a (busy) human, and forgot to mention it before she sent out her invoice for the month. (Stormy was out of town at the time.) Buzz was never ridden after eating any grain once we figured that out.[/QUOTE]
Not questioning the facts as you post them, I simply have a question (for the smart people on this forum).
I have been taught that banamine can be tough on stomach and if you have a horse that is prone to ulcers and ulcer issues that banamine might not be the right answer (painful ulcers can look like colic, which is irritated by the banamine).
Is this true?
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Two (at least) of her former working students have spoken up and confirmed details.
Senden - I REALLY do not understand your point of view. It seems to me like you seek to discredit what has been said here. When you have this many barn owners, former working students, boarders, clients, etc ALL willing to come forward with similar stories, how about a little support? Or do you still believe that all of these people are just petty idiots that are on a witch hunt for absolutely no reason other than boredom? That is insane.
This much personal testimony is hard to ignore. There are not two sides to every story… there are 20 stories saying the same thing, and 2 current students of Ellens speaking in her defense, parroting details of stories that they were not even around for. (Worth noting that theyve both only been with her less than a year, so give that time…)
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Trubandloki - Youre absolutely right about banamine / ulcers. I cringed a little when I read that, but honestly it just shows the lack of knowledge and skills at that barn.
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I have conflicting feelings about this whole thread - both the situation as presented and the seemingly knee-jerk reactions of people behind the internet curtain with no direct or first hand knowledge of any of the principals or incidents.
My natural inclination is to take very little at face value and try to see different sides of any situation. For any single one of the OP’s allegations, my mind can come up with a fairly plausible explanation from the opposite point of view. But in this case, taken as a whole, they sure seem to strongly suggest that the trainer in question has a history of poor decision making with respect to horse health care, management, and welfare. They also suggest a “bully” persona - both in the described behavior at various shows and events and in the fact that often those who are part of the bully’s posse tend to not have a problem with the behavior until they are on the receiving end. Plus there is the fear of repercussions to those who cross the bully or leave the posse.
I think the OP’s position is strengthened by the comments on the public FB post where people who are not hiding behind an internet handle are posting about other incidents that are concerning.
In my first foray into horse ownership, I experienced a toxic trainer, but at a much, much lower level. There are some eerie parallels to some of the things described in this thread.
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Yes, I encourage anyone with doubts to look at my FB post. There are some people who have shared stories there that may not even know about COTH. Many are duplicate posts as well.
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OP what is your facebook page? I am scared to click on the prior links because apparently some are NSFW and I don’t know which are which.
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Sorry vxf111 I did not post those links 
My FB (which is completely safe to click) : https://www.facebook.com/stormy.daniels.1
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To date, we have here an 11 page thread that boils down to this
Stormy Daniels et al have all had multiple bad experiences with Ellen and while many are anecdotal (meaning cannot prove directly), Stormy and at least one other can back them up with proof (if requested)
Ellen, coming on here just one time makes condolences to Stormy’s loss, then proceeds to tell folks ‘I ain’t talking’
Only two posters have come to this thread to defend and refute much of the OPs experiences (After 11 pages) and in that refute
- One may be stretching the truth and may be Ellen in disguise
- One may be the barn manager working for Ellen and desperate to save her job.
The original intent by the OP was akin to a PSA, “If you consider working with Ellen, keep these experiences in mind”. In that regard I would say her goal was achieved. I don’t doubt that she had vetted these statements from a legal standpoint, because to take this step without having every single duck in a row would be irresponsible. She does not strike me as such.
Given the years and similar patterns presented by Ellen, denial would be her only defense, and that is sad. Contrition and self-refection are not in her toolbox. She is responsible for the lives of horses. Their welfare, comfort, and positive life are literally in her hands and one should always act from a position of conservative acts, not risk taking.
Potential damaging storms in the area - get the horses in or don’t send them out till it passes. Get pasture horses into run-out that should be able to be closed. I have bolted from work after looking at radar to make sure I get my herd under cover.
Horse is injured, ill, distressed, it should be already stated to the owner that a vet will be called and they are responsible for the cost if the owner cannot be reached in time. There should already be a maximum allowable cost for a vet visit.
No horse should go hungry and if an owner cannot bring special food in time, they are charged for getting such food so as to not interrupt the eating habit of the horse and told before hand to allow the owner to take action if they want.
I want to be a Barn Manager so bad right now, because it just gets me frosted when I read that supposed “knowledgeable horse people” let their hubris, not their heart take over when it is most needed.
To the current Barn Manager for Ellen, remind yourself that your responsibility lies first with your charges, the horse, because one day, if/when Ellen does something that results in the loss of or dire injury to a horse by a less than forgiving owner like Ms Daniels, you may be the one thrown under the bus. Whatever you think you may gain from supporting her, it will come back to you later when you need to avoid saying you worked for her. As a Barn Owner, knowing you worked for a known abuser of horses, I would then question your own ethics and responsibility to the horse(s). I’ll take you at your word that you care about horses. What happens when the care is tested? Your last post here, on the surface, tells me you need to gain a little more maturity if you want to be respected.
Stormy, you guys need to bust out of Texas, move to SC, set up a nice shop and hire me…I’m about fed up with my career and just really want to work around horses. Best of luck in the future and may you find peace as you move past the loss of your two spirits.
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Dec. 23, 2016, 08:46 A Working Hunter [IMG]http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/images/misc/im_aim.gif)
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[h=2][IMG]http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.png)[/h] Two (at least) of her former working students have spoken up and confirmed details.
Senden - I REALLY do not understand your point of view. It seems to me like you seek to discredit what has been said here. When you have this many barn owners, former working students, boarders, clients, etc ALL willing to come forward with similar stories, how about a little support? Or do you still believe that all of these people are just petty idiots that are on a witch hunt for absolutely no reason other than boredom? That is insane.
No, absoultely not trying to discredit anyone. The point is, we still don’t have facts as in actual vet reports. Do we NEED that? not really. but yet can you see this is a he said/she said thing?
I am inclined to believe the OP, yes. There are a lot of people having the same story. But I still don’t know the people in real life.
I’m like Groom and Taxi- been around enough to have a healthy dose of skepticism. Rumors and gossip abound. Again, I am speaking more in general terms. There are two sides and I believe in letting both speak if they WANT to.
As I said way back- you don’t HAVE to convince me. I am not involved. If I don’t believe or do does not matter here. I always do my homework by talking to real life people. I try it out and see how MY interactions go.
This isn’t about me, I am way on the other side of the county. But this automatic assumption we should 100% take everything at face value is really annoying.
No, I would not work with Ellen after reading this. Not a chance. But we all need to not be force fed what our response is.
I’ve heard and experienced equal or worse horror stories of many trainers, this isn’t some special case. Maybe that is why I don’t’ have such a strong reaction. Just another day in horse land.
No, absoultely not trying to discredit anyone. The point is, we still don’t have facts as in actual vet reports. Do we NEED that? not really. but yet can you see this is a he said/she said thing?
I am inclined to believe the OP, yes. There are a lot of people having the same story. But I still don’t know the people in real life.
I’m like Groom and Taxi- been around enough to have a healthy dose of skepticism. Rumors and gossip abound. Again, I am speaking more in general terms. There are two sides and I believe in letting both speak if they WANT to.
As I said way back- you don’t HAVE to convince me. I am not involved. If I don’t believe or do does not matter here. I always do my homework by talking to real life people. I try it out and see how MY interactions go.
This isn’t about me, I am way on the other side of the county. But this automatic assumption we should 100% take everything at face value is really annoying.
No, I would not work with Ellen after reading this. Not a chance. But we all need to not be force fed what our response is.
I’ve heard and experienced equal or worse horror stories of many trainers, this isn’t some special case. Maybe that is why I don’t’ have such a strong reaction. Just another day in horse land.
Stormy, I don’t know you at all. Just wanted to say I am so sorry about all this, what you’re going through. I think you’re an incredibly strong person. I hope you don’t mind, but I clicked on your post asking for memories of Mouse… And I’m still crying as I type this. Beautiful photos and memories. Mouse seemed like a wonderful wonderful horse with people who deeply cared about him. I am so very sorry for all your losses.
Stay strong.
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You really love this two sides thing. When it comes to relative things, the notion of two sides can be used. That is if both sides wish to present and defend their positions; along the likes of “Blue is the best color to ride in. No, blue sucks, Red is the best color”.
In this instance, it is less about relative or personal preference, but actual and given the word of the OP, verifiable evidence. SHe has on multiple occasion mentioned such and if you don’t believe her, call her out directly and ask for it.
She vetted her statements from a legal standpoint, she stated her reasons upfront and clearly has had multiple, direct accounts of other people’s interaction with Ellen that back up her own experience. The other side’s position is basically “Did not”.
You say you have no real dog in the hunt, that you don’t have a side, but I think you slightly do. It is like you want to be Switzerland until one side or the other wins than say “I was with you all along”.
Of course, this is not a battle, this is a PSA and since you have at least exclaimed you would not work with Ellen, then you do, at some level, believe the OP and the PSA worked, thus made a choice on side.
Peace, and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and/or Joyous Kwanzaa. My holiday is past already (Winter Solstice) 
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Stormy, I believe you said that you decided not to sue, because Ellen had nothing you might receive via a lawsuit, and the expenses involved, but has your attorney looked into the liability issues contained in the BO possibly knowing/allowing these things to be going on? What liability does the barn have? It’s a nice place. They must have assets, and they must have some knowledge of the trainer’s “methods”.
Also, you might contact “Rate My Horse Pro” with your information, and your local BBB. Some of the others might be willing to join you in it. Maybe.
I’m not a lawyer, so if this is a no-go, sorry for bringing it up.
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No, both sides are nasty but some have edited faster
I am not on either side.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t talking about you.
And no, the side who believe OP have no made derogatory comments of a bigot nature.
Honestly I found that comment so disgusting it discredits the posters entire post.
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I agree this needs to be looked at by RMHP
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Stormy, I am head over heels for Fella (I am a firm believer in every kid having a golden pony), and so glad he came through ok!
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I don’t bother with Senden Horse anymore - who it is talks in circles.
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