My horrible experiences with Texas horse trainer/instructor Ellen Doughty-Hume

[bornfreenowexpensive]

Well…around here, I see younger kids out fox hunting jumping pretty scary crap…but on saints of hunt ponies/horses. I don’t have an issue so much with a younger kid jumping bigger fences…but in the hunt field on a made hunter is quite a bit different then jumping a technical xc course on your own.

My issue is much more with the mind set that the kid is “training” a young horse. And that such young green horse was bought for the kid to move up on…That piece of it raises red flags of a trainer fleecing some parents. Who knows if it is true or not…but that just causes me to raise and eyebrow and be suspicious. Of course a trainer can also fleece parents by talking them into buying an inappropriate horse who is not young and green. And there are some 4 year olds who are just so easy that they shock you they are 4.

And as to a 9 year old going training level. I personally would not allow it…but would look to challenge them more in other ways. You do not need to go eventing to build skills…and I’d rather see them skill building over fences that fall down or with their dressage or doing other things like chasing cows or out fox hunting…let them wait a bit before getting so focused on eventing competitions. And honestly…they are kids…I’d rather NOT see the focus on competing at all.

[Laurierace]

@Jealoushe

These young kids, are riding 60-80 thousand pound horses. These are not 4 year old horses a 9 year old has trained. It always kills me how everyone says “but in the UK the kids do this and that”…but what they don’t realize is those ponies are all 50 thousand dollar ponies!

Speaking as someone who worked for someone in Scotland whose daughter rode on the CCIJR team, and in Ireland whose two daughters rode on the CCIJR and CCI**YR teams. They are professionally trained, and bought with this sole purpose, and sold afterward, to give another rider a shot. These are not ponies trained by kids, and brought up the levels.

80 thousand pounds! What are they riding? Blue Whales?

[BWP]

While it’s true that the established top level ponies here are bought and sold for staggering amounts of money; for every kid eventing a Megabucks pony there are dozens more competing very normal, inexpensive ponies. It is really not unusual for young teenagers (and in some cases younger) to be bringing on very young ponies. BE 80/90 classes and pony club events are full of VERY diverse animals. And for the kids registering BE at 11 (in the year of their 12th birthday) lots have already evented at PC (normally need to have gained certain levels in PC to move up height) and hunted.

Love the hunting pic posted; one of many cracking ponies and jockeys out regularly with the Buccleuch

[Halfpasser11]

Please start a new thread on kids/ponies to discuss above opinions to leave this thread on topic.

[soloudinhere]

@Halfpasser11

Please start a new thread on kids/ponies to discuss above opinions to leave this thread on topic.

I see we have a new self appointed moderator.

[babecakes]

But I agree. Start a thread - it’s a new topic.

[WB_Mom]

I get the whole ‘Mom has no idea so writes up an article on her daughter’ thing. Perhaps Mom did not tell trainer she was writing it. Regardless, it certainly does give some insight into how this trainer is treating her clients. At least the younger children.

[Jealoushe]

@babecakes

But I agree. Start a thread - it’s a new topic.

its relative to the topic because its her student.

[trubandloki]

@Jealoushe

its relative to the topic because its her student.

I think the point was the tangent about kids doing various levels on ponies, not the specific topic of this student.

[mmeqcenter]

@bornfreenowexpensive

I don’t have an issue so much with a younger kid jumping bigger fences…but in the hunt field on a made hunter is quite a bit different then jumping a technical xc course on your own.

My issue is much more with the mind set that the kid is “training” a young horse. And that such young green horse was bought for the kid to move up on…

Agreed

[Kwill]

It’s a good topic for a separate thread.

[BluEventer]

Second time ever over fences and its at a show?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXmOumUgqoV/

[Jealoushe]

@BluEventer

Second time ever over fences and its at a show?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXmOumUgqoV/

Nice

3 yr old too. Relevant to the thread Packy started about soundness in horses from US ULRs I would think.

[stormy17]

I see she’s learned nothing. (refer to what happened to my 3 year old who has since had surgery) BTW this is just is the tip of what she’s been up to as far as bad behavior. At the same show that this above IG photo is from, she caused other issues. I REALLY wish someone would comment on what went down at TX Rose last weekend and speak out what she did at Red Hills and the other recent horse death at her barn. I know the details but was not personally present so I won’t comment. I’ve been very careful to only post what I have actual evidence of…speaking of which, I’ve added some things to my FB post (from Dec 2016) because I can’t post photos here on COTH. Feel free to go there. There is SO much other stuff I wish I could post about this terrible woman but hoping the people directly violated will come forward instead.

[BluEventer]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXvUf8EF9sm/

AND she ran her UL horse Advanced without him having jumped once since April???

[Jealoushe]

@BluEventer

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXvUf8EF9sm/

AND she ran her UL horse Advanced without him having jumped once since April???

ugh WTF. Life is so unfair, these people have these horses who try so hard and get treated this way:mad:

[trubandloki]

@stormy17

I’ve added some things to my FB post (from Dec 2016) because I can’t post photos here on COTH. Feel free to go there.

COTH allows photos by anyone with this new format so likely you can post photos here. (The old format you could not unless you were a premium member.)

[beowulf]

@xcislife

I have created an alter to post this as I have no desire to be on the receiving end of Ellen’s bullying. I will start this statement by stating first and foremost that I was not personally present for the following event. However I now have the same story from two independent sources.

There is a horse rotting in one of the back pastures on Ellen’s property. This horse was a young OTTB, owned by Ellen, in the care of Ellen, named Real Beauxdean. While Ellen was introducing him to side reins, “Beaux” reared, and flipped over backward, shattering his skull. Ellen did not call the vet. She left him bleed out on his own. When someone went to cut the bridle and reins off of Beaux, Ellen stopped them on the premise that the bridle was too expensive to cut. Not cutting the bridle jeopardized the person who had attempted to cut Beaux free, by forcing the individual to unhook the bridle and side reins while Beaux thrashed, ultimately, until he went into shock and died in Ellen’s indoor arena.
Beaux was then dumped in one of the back pastures and poorly covered by a tarp. Attached are photos of Beaux when he was alive, as well as photos of his decaying corpse. This happened, from what I’ve been told, in late February/early March 2017.

It is illegal here in Texas to leave a corpse to rot above ground. They must be properly disposed of in a timely manner. I cannot believe this woman is still in business and still has so many devoted followers. At this point I don’t think there is anything she could possibly do to deter her “fans”.

oh my god, that is so heartbreaking. ugh. :no:

so much can go wrong quickly with young horses, i hardly fault her for the flip – but to deny cutting him loose and the vet care, and to let him suffer until he dies… that shows you her true character…

my heart is sick just thinking of it. that poor thing.

i hope more people set up and forward and show the world what a horrible horsewoman this human is – i hardly feel i can call her human.

[AlternityAndBeyond]

Did a couple posts (with some pretty shocking info) just get posted and deleted? One by xcislife and another by beowulf?

[pictureonemore]

[I]Originally posted by xcislife
I have created an alter to post this as I have no desire to be on the receiving end of Ellen’s bullying. I will start this statement by stating first and foremost that I was not personally present for the following event. However I now have the same story from two independent sources.

There is a horse rotting in one of the back pastures on Ellen’s property. This horse was a young OTTB, owned by Ellen, in the care of Ellen, named Real Beauxdean. While Ellen was introducing him to side reins, “Beaux” reared, and flipped over backward, shattering his skull. Ellen did not call the vet. She left him bleed out on his own. When someone went to cut the bridle and reins off of Beaux, Ellen stopped them on the premise that the bridle was too expensive to cut. Not cutting the bridle jeopardized the person who had attempted to cut Beaux free, by forcing the individual to unhook the bridle and side reins while Beaux thrashed, ultimately, until he went into shock and died in Ellen’s indoor arena.
Beaux was then dumped in one of the back pastures and poorly covered by a tarp. Attached are photos of Beaux when he was alive, as well as photos of his decaying corpse. This happened, from what I’ve been told, in late February/early March 2017.

It is illegal here in Texas to leave a corpse to rot above ground. They must be properly disposed of in a timely manner. I cannot believe this woman is still in business and still has so many devoted followers. At this point I don’t think there is anything she could possibly do to deter her “fans”.[/I]

Saving and copying again for posterity. I know that you are scared, xcislife, but we thank you for sharing your story. Stormy is a great person to have in your corner, and I encourage you to reach out to her. No animal should suffer that indignity captured in the pictures you shared, let alone after such a horrible and painful death at the hands of EDH.

Furthermore, it sickens me that those who have the power to stop this woman have failed to do so. How much more blood must be spilled before someone finally ends this madness? Better yet, who will have to die for it? That’s where we are headed and it seems as though everyone else can see it but yet authorities still turn a blind eye. She is going to gravely injure or kill someone at this rate. This woman is clearly a sociopath and will not stop until someone effectively shuts her business down. It’s sad that this has gone on for this long…