Natural Horseman?

yea, she gets him twice while she pins him to the fence forcing him to fail. That poor baby. The owners (I am assuming the owner is the voice and the person filming) is just as blind as the “trainer”.

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I know that there are Parelli posts on here that I don’t want to dredge up from the past, but Parelli is making a comeback as is Clinton Anderson. I’ve wondered why these older trainers and their ideas are coming back.

Quite a number of people at my barn use these old methods, and there are a bunch of “carrot” sticks at my barn.

Don’t get me started on how these [Parelli and Clinton Anderson] fans use a flag. They basically flood the horse until it’s dripping in sweat.

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I lost much of my respect and interest in any of it when I saw Linda P and the TB Event horse she abused, I believe his name was Barney.
Clunking him in the chin with her giant leadrope clip.

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This form of “discipline” is something I see quite often where I live. Then the owners wonder why their horses are head shy or try to rear.

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Well, I see what she is trying to do although I don’t think she is doing it very well.

Her basic goal is to keep him in position, not let him get ahead of her (hence the bopping) and get him to yield the shoulder. Getting a horse to step away from you with his shoulder (starting with the outside foot) is very useful with pushy horses.

She is missing the positive feedback, her timing is off, and I’m not a big fan of waving sticks around faces. I’ll raise an arm (Buck teaches to kind of cup the eye - harder to explain in text) but as a guide never as a “I’ll hit you in the face”.

I’m not sure why she is doing it into the fence - I would actually position it the opposite way (using the fence to prevent backward motion to help clarify that the horse needs to move the front end) until he does it with no “loud” cues. Then perhaps a test rollback - which is used a lot to rebalance the horse - but he’d have to be a lot further along than this one.

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Oh and I’ll also add - when I use a flag or stick to keep a horse from bowling me over, depending on where I want them I will either put the flag between me and them (if I want them behind me with some horses that need a bit of independent thinking/confidence) or I will direct the woah/don’t go flag or stick to the chest. It’s not a fearful bludgeoner, it’s something I’ve introduced as an easy to see extension of my arm for some clarity.

I rarely rarely do anything with the face except on a horse that is not paying attention to me in any way shape or form and I’ve used the flag where it belongs and they are still attempting to go through me. Then they will get a bump on the halter and/or a quick loop through the rope to ripple toward the face as a “hey you pay attention and back the heck up” IF and only if I have a rope halter with a TIED lead and IF and only if I’m fairly sure that they know what I want but are having a moment where they are extra motivated to do something other than what I’d prefer.

I don’t do that with a snap. I don’t clunk chins, I think that’s stupid and shortsighted.

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She taught it to do a greenie turn on haunches. She used the whip as a visual aid to move the head and shoulders around it. It looks like she used the fence to hold the other shoulder…at first it looked like it was blocking it and im not sure i would ask a young horse to turn into the wall like that - but it worked. :woman_shrugging:. Now this youngster knows how to move out of space with just a visual aid. In parelli it would kind of be like a porcupine game. Note: not a parelli devotee that just is what it looks like from observation.

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