What is this person asking this horse to do and why?
Looks like Parelli 101 with a baby.
I think I know what she is trying to do but I think only managing to piss the horse off and the horse wondering why she is waving that stick in my face?
There was a woman at my barn quite awhile ago. She would stand there and bounce her carrot stick all over the place with no intention or timing or…her horse started to attack her. I wonder why?
If you put on the audio she’s not verbally telling him anything, and I never see or hear a reward so how does he know he did what she wanted?
I don’t get it at all.
So what is she trying to get him to do?
And why the long rope dragging on the ground that she keeps stepping on?
At one point it appears she’s going to gather it up so it’s not dragging, but she doesn’t?
Maybe some kind of giraffe trick, she seems to praise a high and stiff headed way of going.
The higher and stiffer the more she praises.
Yeah… no clue. Just looks like a Parellli carrot stick and stuff I’ve seen from his followers on YouTube.
Well, on her FB page she describes herself as:
“An Animal Advocate and Horse Mom. Very Passionate about being kind to those with no voice”
The vid described as her Parelli NH trainer.
So no surprises there.
I can’t begin to guess what the object of that exercise was.
Thought at first teaching to lead?
On the off side (yes, I know this can be done)?
But then the stop & wavystick backups??
I’ve noticed that Parelli is making a comeback.
I get what she’s trying to teach the horse, but she doesn’t seem to know what she’s doing. And the poor horse is like, “what the heck?”
My personal guess for what she’s “trying” to do is to “teach” the horse to move its body around for leading purposes. That way the horse will learn to follow her, although the entire situation looks pretty chaotic. I use the words “trying” and “teach” loosely here, though.
Agree. That young horse is wondering why he left his mama to come do this stupid stuff. He looks thoroughly annoyed.
Sometimes I just want to ask (in my deceptively pleasant, yet snarky tone), “What’s your objective here, and do you believe you’ll achieve it with this method?”
It doesn’t require Foo Foo Majickal Wand Waving to teach a young horse to stay out of your space and move away from your body. And yet, one of the ranch riding ladies I ride with, and whom I otherwise respect for her great seat and years of expertise, has also gotten into the rope shaking and stick waving thing with her two QHs. I don’t know why. They’re both lovely horses. Maybe she’s been watching too many FB Reels.
I did ask, will let you know what she says
Re trainers credit, Level 3 Parelli trainer (quelle surprise) is what I was told and “he needs manners”
I “think” she might be trying to teach the horse to move off of her body language. Once the horse gets the idea from the big cue (stick) you refine it down to the horse reacting from subtler cues. But I’m not sure. I did something vaguely similar with a mini who had no boundaries, but it was without the whip and it was more about getting him to step away/out of “my space” with very slight cues. It worked for him but it can also piss a horse off real quick. Knowing when to quit was important.
But this is just a guess.
She wants him to back up and get into her preferred position when she stops walking.
She’s got no sense of body language, feel, moving with intent…nah, but she’s got a damned big ass windshield wiper she’s flapping here and yon…good lord
To me this start with a big, loud, clear ask using a hand to pressure, a vocal cue, etc… in other words ALL the cues you have at your disposal, followed by big praise when he does what you want or even one step of the right answer at first.
Big praise would be obvious because he would soften his body language, lick/chew, etc
Then as he “gets it” the ask gets softer, quieter.
I also wouldn’t have him up tight against the fence and then ask him to turn into the fence with barely any room to do so.
I feel bad for him, he’s a cutie.
I’m learning to hate these “Reels” that appear on my Facebook.
That bopping horses high around the head is something Parelli pushed from the start and never figured it was counterproductive, the main response was confused resisting, horse’s feet stuck in place, body stiffening taller, heads getting higher.
They would then not unstuck horse first and start again before it got to the giraffe stage, but increase violence until whole horse tried to run off scattering body parts everywhere.
Horses can’t see well something thin so close around their head, it comes and goes into focus, can’t move from it other than at random, don’t know where is going to show up again.
In a few words, no timing, finesse or just plain common sense to be found in that system.
The more you learn about it, the more and bigger holes you find, sad for the horses, when learning and cooperating with humans can be so easy, simple and yes, boring to the ones watching, not conductive to sell demonstrations as entertainment tickets.
Knowing how to teach and train is a skill, it’s something people study for years
Why people think they can spend no time thinking about it and just dive in is beyond me.
& Ms Level 3 needs to learn how to read equine body language
Very much so.
The fence trapped him, you can see his anxiety about it. He looked to me like he was just “reacting” through the whole session and not “thinking” if that makes sense.
With my mini we used hand and vocal cues, Posture too. We stayed away from his face, no bopping him with a stick like in the video. He is very aware of my posture and if I’m sloppy he takes advantage. I want to clarify that he was an aggressive biter when we got him and teaching him to respect my space worked better to fix him than addressing the biting itself (which made him more aggressive). I had a trainer, we went slow, we praised. I don’t want anyone thinking I’m out there with carrot sticks chasing him around willy nilly 24/7 or something .
Agree that she’s trying to teach the horse to read her body language better.
What she lacks is the ability to read his. He’s not engaged at all, no matter which side she’s on his nose is tipped the opposite way. That is ground zero for leading skills - nose is either neutral or tipped towards me. Then, we work on the other stuff.