Need to vent - Hate my boyfriend's dog

[QUOTE=wendy;6481452]

But these people won’t do this- the dog’s owner thinks beating is the way to train dogs, and the OP was actually willing to stand there and watch someone physically abuse a dog right in front of her, plus she seems very un-sympathetic towards the poor abused dog. Rehoming all of the dogs now might be the best solution for the dogs. Get them away from the abuse.[/QUOTE]

Wendy, this is un-helpful and might be untrue. The OP did come here asking for help AND she did reply to my suggestions in a reasonable manner. Let’s not drive her off with some unkind remarks.

Haven’t read through all replies, just to the point where I think 3dog recommends giving treats to quell the barking. I have an Aussie who’s my husband’s dog, and it’s taken a while for us to bond.

His deal is the UPS, or heck, ANY diesel truck coming up the road. He’ll bark and run down the hallway, landing feet first about 2’ off the ground against the main door. Obviously undesirable behaviour since that door is partly GLASS. It’s taken about a year of consistent work, and coincidentally, I’m unemployed now so I’m home quite a bit, which helped the bonding. Here’s what I’ve done/ do:

I hear truck, dog hears truck. I tell dog “good boy”, with a reassuring pat on the head and let him bark once or twice. After 2 barks, I call him to the kitchen and use the “Wanna Goodie?” cue, or something similar. I continue to tell him/ thank him for letting me know the truck is here, but I walk out of the kitchen to another side of the house, praising all the way. The dog has a strong food drive, so it works. He gets the treat when I’m on the couch on the other side of the house. Dog will still sometimes persist, and grumble as he heads to back door – especially if the delivery is TO the back porch. Of course mayhem ensues when the delivery driver hits the doorbell. But honestly, praise him, thank him for doing his job, then distract. No beatings, no continued yelling, although I do have to get pretty loud initially to get his attention. I do this by calling his name repeatedly, and I touch him on his scapula and scratch his rough.

You have to get yourself to a place where you want to like this dog. I didn’t like DHs dog initially, though over the years I have learned to respect his immense intelligence and compassion toward other animals. Of course DH hung the moon, but when my last dog died, DHs’ wouldn’t leave my side for weeks, and even now sticks with me on the couch when DH goes to bed early. It’s kind of neat.

BTW, DHs reaction is to get physical with the dog. It makes me crazy and I’ve told him. I can see it’s a reflex thing and I’ve called him on it. He’s learning, but he comes from a long line of hicks who’ll take a disobedient dog out back and shoot it in the head for chasing cattle, instead of tying it up, or heaven forbid TRAINING it. He IS evolving though, because he sees the success I’m having with the problem children I bring in the house (children meaning critters, of course).

Best of luck.

I would suggest finding a good group obedience class and going together with 2 of the dogs. I would also suggest more long walks with all of the dogs. Dogs tend to react when their entire routine changes. Going from sleeping in the bedroom to sleeping somewhere else is a huge change. Expecting someone to not hit an already stressed animal isn’t being controlling, but sometimes it is an education issue. Classes could help.

It’s taken me a while to read through everyone’s responses and I’m not going to singularly quote each response.

To some who seem to think I’m sitting by watching my boyfriend beat the shit out of his dog I will elaborate. (I’m not overly sensitive so I can take those comment in stride. But to someone else who was posting here looking for advice could easily have driven them away or made them extremely defensive.) I’m also not going to defend my relationship too much because that’s not what I’m searching for advice on. I am a strong and independent person who would never continue with a relationship that was abusive in any way. You don’t know anything about my boyfriend other than what I’m discussing about the dog because that is pertinent info to my dog training question.

M boyfriend has had this dog for nearly seven years. We have been together for one year. He and I have discussed that I feel like his method of training a dog has created a very anxious animal and now we’re dealing with his barking together. I had to let him try “his way” at first so I could point out that it clearly doesn’t work. But he was not kicking the dog, or beating the dog to the point of causing real physical harm. He hits the dog on his butt with an open hand. He grabs the dog’s muzzle to try to quiet him and bellows at him in a deep voice. This dog’s brain is obviously fried.

Now we are talking about trying different techniques. I have told him that I want to stop yelling at the dogs because it obviously doesn’t work. So yelling at the dogs as stopped. I have told him that I think that hitting the dog is not the best way to achieve training goals and he’s agreed to stop using physical discipline. He is receptive to other ideas but not everyone spend hours online researching dog training or discussing animal husbandry on Bulletin Boards. For some this is the only training technique they’ve ever known for dogs and it’s truly ignorance. He was also feeding his dog Beneful because he doesn’t see the point in buying expensive dog food. We have now transitioned his dog to Orijen which is what mine are fed.

It is very difficult to get this dog to play. We do take him for walks which is really the only thing he seems to get excited about other then eating.

To Calamber: I will look up Zen and try it. I’ve been a troubled sleeper my entire life but I do not want to be medicated as medication as side effects. I’ve tried Magnesium and Melatonin and they don’t help. I have thought about trying to get the dog on some type of relaxing medicine to help with anxiety but I’d like to avoid that if there is a training program that would help. I can try the music.

Draping a blanket of the crate does not do anything.

I want to do something that will make this dog more confident and less anxious. I think if he feels calm he won’t bark as much.

The one person I will straight out respond to is Wendy:

If I was the type of person who wouldn’t try a recommendation why the heck would I have even bothered posting about my problem in the first place? You don’t know anything about me. I also clearly stated that I do not think hitting a dog is a good training method. That is not the method I use for my dogs. I am un-sympathetic about the dog barking because it is driving me up a wall and I didn’t cause this kind of behavior. My dogs don’t bark and now I can’t SLEEP! While I know the dog is not truly to blame that doesn’t mean I’m any less sleep deprived.

To suggest I get rid of all three dogs is histrionics on your part. All three dogs are well fed, get regular vet care, all three know basic obedience (sit, shake, down etc…), except for the puppy they are all trust worthy not to chew anything up, all three are on flea preventive and all three are neutered or spayed. I’m a good pet owner and a good horse owner. I’ve personally rescued two previous dogs and provided good homes to them. I’ve treated one of the rescued dogs for heart worms he came to me with that cost $1000 to treat for an elderly dog that any dog shelter would have just put to sleep. Please don’t assume you know every detail about me and my stewardship of animals based on one thread on a message board.

[QUOTE=libgrrl;6481339]
Sounds like a fabulous way to get bitten in the face.[/QUOTE]

Well Duh! You don’t do it to a strange dog and you start when the dog is younger. If you have a dog that will bite you in the face, who is a member of the “pack”, the dog should be gone instantly. Dogs are the lowest member of the pack…never accepted or tolerated as anything other than the omega.

If the people aren’t the alphas in the house, very bad things happen.

[QUOTE=wendy;6481452]
ditto. In order to cure barking, you have to know why the dog barks- and this dog barks because the poor thing is a terrified, anxious mess because he’s owned by an abusive person. Most likely the no-bark collar will stop the barking, but may cause the dog to have a total meltdown and express the anxiety in other, even more unpleasant (for the owners) ways, such as hysterical destructive outbursts.

The first step would be to let the poor dog out of the crate- why anyone would even consider locking a full trained adult dog up in a crate is a puzzlement to me. Crates are training tools, and once the dog is trained, the crate needs to go bye-bye. The dog is anxious, and locking the dog up far away from the people is just adding to the anxiety. Anything that reduces the dog’s anxiety is likely to reduce the barking.

You could try simple things like not beating the dog, a thundershirt, DAP, lots of exercise, a consistent schedule- all of these simple steps are likely to reduce the dog’s anxiety. If the source of the dog’s anxiety was unknown, drugs might be useful, but we know the cause- the abusive owner. So getting rid of the abuse makes more sense than drugging the dog.

Whomever suggested classical conditioning is on the right track- the feeding the dog treats is classical conditioning, to change the dog’s underlying mental state. Like Pavlov’s drooling dogs. It works best if you know what is triggering the behavior and you can start treating before the dog starts barking.

But these people won’t do this- the dog’s owner thinks beating is the way to train dogs, and the OP was actually willing to stand there and watch someone physically abuse a dog right in front of her, plus she seems very un-sympathetic towards the poor abused dog. Rehoming all of the dogs now might be the best solution for the dogs. Get them away from the abuse.[/QUOTE]

Crating is not a training tool, it is a way of life. My dogs are all fed in their crates and they sleep in their crates. when i cannot be home, i crate them. They stay safe, they are comfortable. I am home most of the time, and then they have a fenced acre and a doggy door. If they make too much noise, they are locked in the house-(not the crate), so the neighbors don’t suffer. i have 5 dogs, there is no way i could live with them sleeping in my bed or running free all over the house in the middle of the night. all our dogs have been crate trained and have been wonderful.

[QUOTE=threedogpack;6481370]
showhorsegallery, you have gotten a wide variety of options on how to handle this, and if you want to explore more of what I suggested, make sure that you either contact me privately or you post with my screen name so I know you are directing your post to me.

These kinds of threads always seem to bring out the trainer in everyone and I just don’t want to argue about the merits of one training approach vs another with the exception below.

the only thing I will add at this point is in reference to the e-collar someone suggested. If your dog is already anxious and unsure, plus he is shut down, the e-collar will likely make him more anxious. You can, of course, handle the dog however you choose, but I would never use an e-collar on a frightened dog.

Good luck to you, I hope that eventually you will let us know what you tried, and how the dog is doing.[/QUOTE]

I’d like to try the treating method. I’ve been trying the ignore it til it stops method for the last week or so and once the barking stops they get a reward of being let out of the crate. I have seen some improvement but it’s very inconsistent.

What exactly do I do? I want to stop the alarm barking. If you’d like to privately message me with specifics that would be appreciated very much.

[QUOTE=showhorsegallery;6481854]
I’d like to try the treating method. I’ve been trying the ignore it til it stops method for the last week or so and once the barking stops they get a reward of being let out of the crate. I have seen some improvement but it’s very inconsistent.

What exactly do I do? I want to stop the alarm barking. If you’d like to privately message me with specifics that would be appreciated very much.[/QUOTE]

see post #18. I outlined what I would start with.

If I have misunderstood what particular misbehavior you want to address (did not catch the barking in the crate at all), then please outline that behavior again for me.

[QUOTE=Nezzy;6481853]
Crating is not a training tool, it is a way of life. My dogs are all fed in their crates and they sleep in their crates. when i cannot be home, i crate them. They stay safe, they are comfortable. I am home most of the time, and then they have a fenced acre and a doggy door. If they make too much noise, they are locked in, so the neighbors don’t suffer. i have 5 dogs, there is no way i could live with them sleeping in my bed or running free all over the house in the middle of the night. all our dogs have been crate trained and have been wonderful.[/QUOTE]

This what my mom did with our families long since passed away Golden Retriever and what I’m currently doing with my Standard Poodle puppy (1.5 years old) and what my mom has done with her own Golden Retriever. The crate is a fun and safe place. It’s where they get fed, it’s where they sleep at night. I’ve never had a barking dog before so I don’t know what to do or how to handle it. (To make matters worse my little dog has now learned the behavior too.)

But back to the crate training, once they were completely potty trained they started getting house privileges one room at a time. As they proved themselves trust worthy they worked up to being able to roam the whole house. When it was all said and done no adult dog was locked in a crate. My mom’s 7 year old golden doesn’t have even have a crate anymore but when she was younger she used to “put herself to bed” in her crate.

[QUOTE=Nezzy;6481853]
Crating is not a training tool, it is a way of life. My dogs are all fed in their crates and they sleep in their crates. when i cannot be home, i crate them. They stay safe, they are comfortable. I am home most of the time, and then they have a fenced acre and a doggy door. If they make too much noise, they are locked in, so the neighbors don’t suffer. i have 5 dogs, there is no way i could live with them sleeping in my bed or running free all over the house in the middle of the night. all our dogs have been crate trained and have been wonderful.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely. When I lent my dogs crate to a friend who had just gotten a puppy as my dog hardly ever went in there and was completely trust worthy in the house.
My dog actually created her own “crate” by pushing (nosing) her bed (which was in the corner of my bedroom) into my closet. She obviously prefers the feeling of walls and a “roof” (my hanging clothes) around her to the openness of sleeping any where else.

I’ve also noticed that when she’s feeling anxious she’ll take herself off into her closet for a time out and to regroup. I did bring her crate back and while that’s an option, she much prefers her closet.

from the original post:

now we’re trying my idea of ignoring them in the crates until they shut up for 2 minutes. Once they (my boyfriend’s dog and my little dog who never used to bark) are quiet the are rewarded with being let out. Sometime it takes over an hour for the barking to stop.

is this what you were speaking of re: barking in crates?

2 hours is FAR too long to wait for a correct response. I could never wait that long.

If you want to get the crate barking under control quickly, try open door crate training at a time when high arousal is not the issue.

Shirley Chong had a great write up and I’ve used it very successfully for fosters who have been inadvertently trained to demand bark in crates. Since crate screaming is one of the things that will make me nearly violent, we work diligently on that.

http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/archives/cratetraining.txt

and understand, SC is an absolutely fabulous trainer.

[QUOTE=threedogpack;6481873]
see post #18. I outlined what I would start with.

If I have misunderstood what particular misbehavior you want to address (did not catch the barking in the crate at all), then please outline that behavior again for me.[/QUOTE]

When we leave the house we put him in a crate right now. I don’t mind having him wander the house because he won’t do anything EXCEPT when there’s rain and thunderstorms which we’re right in the middle of the season of in Florida. It’s rained every day for the last 8 days. During a rain storm (with or without thunder) he flips out and destroys things looking for my boyfriend despite us not being home. He already ruined the bottom of one door during a storm. So when we’re not home he’s crated because he can’t destroy anything in his crate. So when we walk in the door he starts barking. He also barks when not in his crate. Say we’re in the dining room and he’s out (he’s always out when we are home) and my roommate walks in he starts alarm barking. Or if he hears a dog in the neighborhood he starts barking. Or if a loud car goes by the house…

[QUOTE=showhorsegallery;6481898]
When we leave the house we put him in a crate right now. I don’t mind having him wander the house because he won’t do anything EXCEPT when there’s rain and thunderstorms which we’re right in the middle of the season of in Florida. It’s rained every day for the last 8 days. During a rain storm (with or without thunder) he flips out and destroys things looking for my boyfriend despite us not being home. He already ruined the bottom of one door during a storm. So when we’re not home he’s crated because he can’t destroy anything in his crate. So when we walk in the door he starts barking. He also barks when not in his crate. Say we’re in the dining room and he’s out (he’s always out when we are home) and my roommate walks in he starts alarm barking. Or if he hears a dog in the neighborhood he starts barking. Or if a loud car goes by the house…[/QUOTE]

I think the alarm barking (roommate comes in) and the demand barking (let me out of this crate now!) are two separate issues.

[QUOTE=threedogpack;6481893]
from the original post:

is this what you were speaking of re: barking in crates?

2 hours is FAR too long to wait for a correct response. I could never wait that long.

If you want to get the crate barking under control quickly, try open door crate training at a time when high arousal is not the issue.

Shirley Chong had a great write up and I’ve used it very successfully for fosters who have been inadvertently trained to demand bark in crates. Since crate screaming is one of the things that will make me nearly violent, we work diligently on that.

http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/archives/cratetraining.txt

and understand, SC is an absolutely fabulous trainer.[/QUOTE]

I will definitely look at the link. I meant that when we come home the barking starts and I wait for silence that lasts two minutes to reward with being “released”. The longest he barked continuously was 1 hour and 15 minutes I think.

Sigh.

http://beyondcesarmillan.weebly.com/kathy-sdao.html

[QUOTE=libgrrl;6481953]
Sigh.

http://beyondcesarmillan.weebly.com/kathy-sdao.html[/QUOTE]

remember libgrrl, you are addressing Trak.

Thanks 3dp.

I think I need desensitization and CC. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=libgrrl;6481953]
Sigh.

http://beyondcesarmillan.weebly.com/kathy-sdao.html[/QUOTE]

THIS is how my boyfriend arrived at his “training” technique. Buying into being the “alpha” dog. I’ve told him that that theory is based on observations of a nonfamily group of wolves that were unnaturally put together but he rolls his eyes at me and wonders why I know that.

Hey – many many people bought into it for years – me included. He certainly isn’t alone!

[QUOTE=showhorsegallery;6481906]
I will definitely look at the link. I meant that when we come home the barking starts and I wait for silence that lasts two minutes to reward with being “released”. The longest he barked continuously was 1 hour and 15 minutes I think.[/QUOTE]

well that would be FAR too long for my tolerance level!

You might find that if you work on other things, this might disappear on it’s own.

I would not work on too many things at once with a dog who has the history this one does