For my own learning, am interested in what people have to say about his pedigree. He is sex balanced and line bred to NANTALLAH. Found a little on the web about him but not much. Has a number of the usual event horse suspects: Prince John, Nearco via Northern Dancer, Pharos, Phalaris, Gainsborough.
Thoughts?
His registered name was Hurtle. Here’s his equineline Pedigree:
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=6056785®istry=T&horse_name==Hurtle%20(AUS)&dam_name==Zambia%20(AUS)&foaling_year=1999&nicking_stats_indicator=Y
His sire was a baldfaced sabino, which is interesting.
He’s linebred top and bottom to Nantallah; on top through the Shy Dancer mare, Lady Dulcinea who was a VERY good broodmare–also dam of Jacques Who; Heavenly Cause, which makes second dam of Two Punch; and the dam, La Basque, was also dam of Bounding Basque. This line of mares seemed to do very well with Grey Dawn. The Shy Bim, Shy Dancer line seems to be one where the daughters are better breeders than the sons. It’s also the damline for Hereward The Wake, who was the sire of Woodburn.
Danzig is turning into a good grandsire of event horses, mostly through his sons, but he’s damsire Benchmark xx, sire of Last Monarch, Holly Hudspeth’s Rolex horse. He’s also damsire of Wiliwander, who is the sire of a confirmed 3* eventer who went to the European Championships for Spain in 2011.
Horse’s name is Winston H, and he’s some sort of WB on the bottom. Of the Danzig sons, he’s Amistad’s grandsire on top; he’s great grandsire, through Chief’s Crown/Azzaam, of the Aussie 4* horse, Algebra; a Swede took a 6 yo old TB by the Chief’s Crown son, Be My Chief, to Le Lion, and a Belgian took another. Neither finished in the top ten. The first horse hasn’t done FEI since, and the second has gone as high as a CCI 2*, but has also gone through lots of riders. Hamish Cargill’s 4* horse, Sandhill’s Tiger, is a tail male grandson of Danehill. Horton Who is a TM grandson of Danzig through the Danzig son, Foreign Survivor. The 3* horse, Sea Lion, is a TM Danzig grandson through Sea Salute. At least six other Danzig sons have produced 1* and 2* event horses here, in Europe, and in Australia. It would appear that Danzig is a nice line to find for eventing.
On the bottom, the line Exbury/Le Haar/Vieux Manoir is pretty reliable for jumping horses. Vieux Manoir has as good lines on the bottom as he does on the top, and he’s one of the more modern touchstones of SF (and French TB) breeding. He’s found in sport horses all over Europe–ISH, WB–in both jumpers and event horses. This line is just about as good as it gets.
Tail female, you get the second line to Nantallah, and it’s not only top and bottom, but sex balanced, through the Rough Shod son Ridan. Aythorpe was sent to Australia, and he’s got one other 2* event horse. Ridan was otherwise better for sport, much as Nantallah, through his daughters. Tin Whistle had a son named Tin Rod who was sent to Germany and used in Holstein breeding. Tin Rod had a son named Tin Rocco who stood in Oldenburg and seems to be all over the place with more in jumping and dressage than eventing. through the Tin Rod daughter, Hilla, he’s damsire of the WEG SJ horse, Landlord; and is second damsire of the stallions Campesino and Conteur. Rod also had approved SWB an Ba-Wu sons.
It occurs to me, after looking at the pedigree of Campesino, that he might be a good one for eventing. He has TB sires (good ones too) as damsire and second damsire, and he’s almost 70% blood.
So Neville Bardos has the kind of TB pedigree that seems to pass on jumping talent in non-racing sport quite well. And in some of European horses, dressage as well.
Forgot to mention Rose O’Lynn who had three sons, all of whom have been used quite successfully in WB and ISH breeding–Venture and Buisson Ardent by Relic and Buisson d’Or, who was the sire of Pot d’Or.
Just another little bit of information. Zambia has Le Filou as her second damsire and so does the the very good for eventing stallion in New Zealand, Grosvenor. They spring from different Le Filou daughters. Grosvenor is the sire of Blyth Tait’s Santos and Mark Todd’s Parklane Hawk. I know Parklane Hawk was an OTTB, but not sure about Santos.
I could hardly read the Equiline pedigree, it was so tiny–here is the TB pedigreequery version:
Fascinating and helpful. Thanks so much! Something sure as heck gives him soundness and toughness as well as his jump and heart. I hear he is a bit of a bear on the ground.
If I had to bet, I’d bet on the sire’s damline as the closest. Jean Pierre’s get have, to this modern eye, an incredible number of starts as normal. The Shy Dancer line, at least for mares, also seems to have had a high number of starts, all the way from Shy Dancer forward.
I’ve just returned from the USEF meeting in Cincinnati, and was thrilled when Neville received the International Horse of the Year, I think there would’ve been a riot had he not won! What an incredible horse.
I hadn’t ever pulled up his pedigree, so thanks for bringing it up Wits End, and thank you, viney, as always, for your incredible input.
Your comment about Danzig as a grandsire of event horses piqued my interest. I just sold (for a client) a gelding by Langfuhr by Danzig. He retired sound (and clean legged) at the age of 7 with 50+ starts (I think he had over 60 but I might be wrong there). I restarted him for my client, taught him to jump, and foxhunt. I absolutely loved this guy, he had a great aptitude for jumping, was super quiet, and amazingly, vetted pretty darn near perfect, especially considering his career! I would LOVE to have another by Langfuhr, especially a mare to add to my breeding herd. Here is some info on ‘Mack’. There is a link to his pedigree, pics, and a video of him schooling xc (he’d only jumped a handful of times prior to this).
http://www.fadetogreyfarm.com/sales/allaboutmack_-sold
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DomlXpQkrQI&list=UUDBaShvrJ5GmS1wzK9FbRpA&index=1&feature=plcp
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Danzig is turning into a good grandsire of event horses, mostly through his sons…[/QUOTE]
By default, perhaps. Try finding a TB in Australia without Danzing (or Danehill) it its pedigree. Danzig had questionable lower leg conformation (back at the knee) and Danehill offspring have a reputation for unsoundness.
But when you breed so prolifically, some of them are bound to be good. Danehill has 114 sons and 56 grandsons at stud in Australia. Oh – and if you want Danehill on the bottom, you’ve got 459 broodmare daughters to choose from.
(Okay, so I’m not a fan of this line. At all.)
A list of the top 200 sires in Australia/NZ for 2011, I’ve highlighted the ones from the Danzig sireline. That’s a whole lot of Danzig happenin’ in the Antipodes, and that is of course not counting all the broodmares with Danzig that you pointed out.
Btw, most of the rest of those sires are tail male to Danzig’s daddy.
1 Commands (AUS), 1996, by Danehill ----. DANZIG
2 Encosta de Lago (AUS), 1993, by Fairy King ----.
3 Redoute’s Choice (AUS), 1996, by Danehill ----. DANZIG
4 Lonhro (AUS), 1998, by Octagonal ----.
5 Testa Rossa (AUS), 1996, by Perugino ----.
6 Exceed and Excel (AUS), 2000, by Danehill ----. DANZIG
7 Bel Esprit (AUS), 1999, by Royal Academy ----.
8 Bianconi (USA), 1995, by Danzig ----. DANZIG
9 Pins (AUS), 1996, by Snippets ----.
10 More Than Ready (USA), 1997, by Southern Halo ----.
Adding Testa Rosa as a Danzig, by Perugino. And Beautiful Crown by Chief’s Crown by Danzig.
Now DRV go post this under my last post in the AI thread and see if people now understand about diversity!!!
That’s leaving out the mare base!
Terri
I just went back through Drvm’s list and put the sirelines in. You can see the extent of diversity in current Australian TBs from this.
Fairy King=FK Full Brother to Sadlers Wells
Sadler’s Wells = SW
Northern Dancer= No D
Native Dancer = Na D
Hail To Reason= HTR
To make this even more interesting, Mr. P, Tom Fool, and Nearco all trace back to Phalaris.
1 Commands (AUS), 1996, by Danehill ----. DANZIG No D/Nearco
2 Encosta de Lago (AUS), 1993, by Fairy King ----. FK-Full brother of SW No D/Nearco
3 Redoute’s Choice (AUS), 1996, by Danehill ----. DANZIG No D/Nearco
4 Lonhro (AUS), 1998, by Octagonal ----. Zabeel/Sir Tristram/Sir IVor/Sir Gaylord/Turn-To/Nearco
5 Testa Rossa (AUS), 1996, by Perugino ----. DANZIG No D/Nearco
6 Exceed and Excel (AUS), 2000, by Danehill ----. DANZIG No D/Nearco
7 Bel Esprit (AUS), 1999, by Royal Academy ----. Nijinsky No D/Nearco
8 Bianconi (USA), 1995, by Danzig ----. DANZIG No D/Nearco
9 Pins (AUS), 1996, by Snippets ----. Tom Fool
10 More Than Ready (USA), 1997, by Southern Halo ----. HTR/Turn-To/Nearco
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