New discipline = New wardrobe?

Basic rope safety, don’t know who “Mindy” is, but I think this is universal, tells you never to have the rope attached to a saddle but when you are roping and tying hard and fast and then it is tied to the horn and you have it going thru a neck rope, for us here the hobbles do the trick for that, or tripping and that is high end roping, something not that many even try to do.
Many even don’t tie hard and fast when tripping, but have a kind of dally that sticks good and keeps the rope tight without slipping, in case there is a wreck.

As soon as you are thru roping, you turn the rope loose of the horn.
Better to lose a rope that got hung somewhere than someone getting hung and the rope not turn loose of the saddle/horse and be dragged.

Then, maybe some do those things differently, but I would at least be aware of all that if I was going to have a rope on board.

Mindy is Buck’s sister in law and long time trainer/rancher in her own right.

http://www.uhohranch.com/

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Mindy is Buck’s sister in law and long time trainer/rancher in her own right.

http://www.uhohranch.com/[/QUOTE]

If you get a chance, do ask her what she meant and if they really tie the ropes that solid to the saddle that they can depend on them if they need something to hang onto, or if somehow wires got crossed and that was not what she meant?

Would be interesting to know that.:yes:

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If you get a chance, do ask her what she meant and if they really tie the ropes that solid to the saddle that they can depend on them if they need something to hang onto, or if somehow wires got crossed and that was not what she meant?

Would be interesting to know that.:yes:[/QUOTE]

I will, but she wasn’t the one who said it, so it makes me wonder.

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I will, but she wasn’t the one who said it, so it makes me wonder.[/QUOTE]

Maybe some just like to live dangerously.:wink:

I have to laugh at your report of “clinic wear” at the Buck clinic. When I went in April, my friend and I came up with the nickname of “Rawhide Barbie” for those who got all dude-d up, kind of like “all hat, no cattle.” By looking at some of them you would think they were the shiz-nit, but by watching them work with or ride a horse, you would think you’d never want them near your own.

Having said that, I did like the “look.” Having said that, though, as much as I would love fringed chinks and the “proper” hat, I already have two pairs of custom “shotgun” chaps from my h/j days, and I will not NOT ride in a helmet. I try not to be a poser and let my work/riding speak for itself, no matter how good or bad. I figure Buck is a smart enough guy to see through all that BS and appreciates good handling/riding no matter how one is dressed.

When I rode in the clinic, the first day I showed up in my dressage gear. The next day I was in my western saddle and jeans/chaps (but with helmet). On the last day my horse was outfitted with his new snaffle bit/mecate dealy-o. :smiley: And now I may shop for a new western saddle because the one I have is a “trail” saddle and I might like to try more of a ranch-type saddle. Oh, and maybe I’ll want to start playing with a rope.

But OP, I totally get what you are saying. It is kind of funny. And I kind of want to shop for the outfit! :lol:

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I have to laugh at your report of “clinic wear” at the Buck clinic. When I went in April, my friend and I came up with the nickname of “Rawhide Barbie” for those who got all dude-d up, kind of like “all hat, no cattle.” By looking at some of them you would think they were the shiz-nit, but by watching them work with or ride a horse, you would think you’d never want them near your own.[/QUOTE]

Funny story re: the duded up lady on the Haflinger (who was going in 2 reins): Turns out she’s a professional. Her husband was on a balanced-looking QH roan thing. I picked him out as a rider I liked: He gave discrete signals with pauses in between them and he praised his horse.

So it turns out sometimes the book with the fancy cover is indeed fancy. Of course, I don’t know better from worse in terms of pros near Portland, OR, but the woman was a horse trainer.

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And now I may shop for a new western saddle because the one I have is a “trail” saddle and I might like to try more of a ranch-type saddle. Oh, and maybe I’ll want to start playing with a rope.[/QUOTE]

Yanno, every time Brannaman makes a joke about uppity English types, I want to ride in my CC saddle and get the same stuff done with the broke-a$$ show hunter as the other people in western tack are doing. I mean doesn’t the SAT-like analogy go like this?:

Field Hunter is to Ranch horse

as

Show Hunter is to Finished Bridle Horse

So, yeah, the goal of making a show hunter is to produce on of those “you breathed and thought it, and he did it” type horses.

Also, OP, I still love my 1980s equitation bucket western saddles. But if I hang around these guys long enough, I’m worried that I’ll start to like the look and logic of a very, very nice slick fork saddle with all the extra doodads attached.

Doesn’t that strike you as being like the inside of your mom’s purse or her minivan? Good lord, there are extra ropes (of 2 varieties) a get-down rope. It’s like her stash of napkins and neosporin and hand sanitizer and gum and the rest.

Hate to say this, but I think the big-assed hats and chinks etc. look stupid. They all look like they are playing ‘let’s be old timey cowboys’. What’s wrong with jeans?

Au contraire!

Look how Daffy Duck rocked the extreme-brimmed hat and bat-wing chaps in Drip Along Daffy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhS-n9qpWRI

Elmer Fudd, you’ll notice, is wearing just jeans and a smaller hat.

Their rides are different, too, each corresponding with the relative sartorial splendor of the rider.

I learned everything I needed to know from Warner Brother’s cartoons.

Yes, pretty common out here for Great Basin bronc riders (not rodeo riders, but ranch rodeo/stock saddle broncs who have to ride in their everyday/work saddle) to grab their rope if they need something to anchor them. And also not uncommon for the rope strap to break, and the buckaroo go flying, because the rope is, as it should be, tied on by a strap that will act as a breakaway. But if you can grab your rope and anchor in, you get a good purchase. If you try to grab it ‘on your way by’, the jerk on the rope strap will usually break the rope strap. I’ve seen dusty bronc riders on their butts, in the arena, with their rope in their right hand, bummed to miss the paycheck!

A cheyenne roll is also used so you can grab behind you to anchor your seat, but some folks have a pencil roll instead so they grab a rear saddle string.

And as for Buck’s disparaging ‘english rider’ comments: this is for the poor horsemen. Buck also has disparaging comments for western, ranch, etc riders that are poor horsemen.
I know Buck has a great deal of respect for George Morris, Aaron Vale, Betty Staley (dressage rider), Melanie Smith-Taylor, and a gal named Susan based in North Carolina. I think it’s Susan Hopkins, she has a long braid and is a BEAUTIFUL rider- but I don’t know for sure, you can see her in the 7 Clinics DVDs where Buck makes a positive example of her, and some of her students. It ain’t about the clothes, it’s about the horsemanship!

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I learned everything I needed to know from Warner Brother’s cartoons.[/QUOTE]

I think my husband would agree with you on that!!! :lol:

Show Hunter is to Finished Bridle Horse

Um, not really, unless you take your Show Hunter out field hunting, first flight, maybe the huntsman or the master borrow him because they like to ride him and you can take him anywhere, do anything with him…

There are TONS of counterfeit “Bridle Horses” who wear a curb (even a spade) bit that, as they say, ‘have a bridle bit hung on them’. You might be able to steer them, to rope off them and get some things done. But a REAL bridle horse, you could slap a snaffle bit on and go do a Novice event (if your bridle horse won’t jump a 3’ log, and go right through the water, jump some painted poles because you asked him to, he ain’t a bridle horse!), go get 70% at Second Level dressage, go foxhunting (maybe second flight, here, if you haven’t been foxhunting much yourself)…go do pretty much anything.

You get some pretty goofy fellows, usually impeccably dressed (Rawhide Ken), who think they have their horse ‘straight up in the bridle’. They won’t put their horse back in a snaffle, because somehow that would be ‘an insult’ to their horse. Basically, they didn’t advance to the bridle, they flunked out of the snaffle (and then the bosal). There’s almost NO lateral ability left in their horse.

But hey, I Can See By Your Outfit, That You Are A Cowboy. No, don’t come help me with my branding. I can see from here that you’re going to chowse and push on the cows and yip and holler, not quietly (that means your mouth, too!) move them so the cow WANTS to move along where you ask her to. But that’s sure a pretty spade bit, rawhide reins, full flower carved saddle, tapaderos… let me know when you and Rawhide Barbie split the sheets and sell your good stuff in a fire sale on Craigslist.

I’m going to go watch cartoons now!

For me at least, they DO have a purpose though - and are the most comfortable things to wear if I am riding a lot. Back when I would ride 6 a day, I wore boots and breeches every day - not because they are uncomfortable, but because they really were designed for riding in an english saddle.

Riding in an english saddle without tall boots or chaps will put you in a world of hurt if you spend a lot of time in the saddle. I have 15 year old scars on my shins from stirrup leather rubs - from not wearing my tall boots.

And breeches - again, if I am going to be spending a bunch of time in the saddle, breeches do not have as many seams to rub like jeans do, and knee patches for grip / pinch protection.

But, if you are just going for a easy ride, I can see how boots and breeches aren’t really needed. Just like Buck’s gear has a purpose, but many who done it probably do not need to use it.

Well, I’m an older lady with an excess of extra padding, if you get my drift. I can’t buy much of any equestrian clothing off the rack, never mind chinks or working chaps or schooling chaps or whatever. There are a couple of brands of breeches that accommodate me. Custom isn’t in the budget.

But in my many years, I’ve done a fair amound to different types of riding, and I listen and learn when I’m really interested. I got into the horsemanship that Buck teaches about 10 years ago, with a local fellow who is a good student of Buck’s. We’ve had the conversation several times, me fussing about not having all the bells and whistles, and he assuring me that Buck sees through the trapping to the quality of the rider, which is true.

Three or four years ago, my gelding was ready to go in the two-rein and there happened to be a Buck clinic in the area so I took him for Buck to watch us work. By that time, I had a pretty nice Wade saddle, but still no chinks–I’ve simply no need of them. My bit was a working-level Jeremiah Watt, with stainless cheeks and no silver, but a proper, well balanced bit. My headstall had no silver, and my bosal was working-level (my ace in the hole was a pair of Ortega reins–that’s another story) but everything fit well, was clean and workman-like. I rode in jeans, paddock boots, tom thumb english spurs, and my trusty Tipperary helmet–some things about my eventing years I will not let go of. But my horse was on his best behavior that weekend, he was positively magical. After the second day, Buck said very little to me, but it was clear that I wasn’t a Barbie and had done some good work with the horse. But it was also clear I wasn’t planning to become a rancher, and was doing it for the good of the horse, and for the satisfaction of the accomplishment. No one said a word about how I was dressed. (well, I’m sure there were comments behind my back, but are there ever NOT?)

I did have a rope on my saddle that time. Buck says about that, something similar to what LeGoff said about carrying a stick and spurs on XC.

If you were to ask Buck, he’d have a good reason for every piece of equipment he wears on himself or his horse. But you’d have to be living Buck’s life (as a rancher) in order for all of that to apply to you. I’ve thought about what I might say in response to someone saying I was missing this or that, and, at my age, I’d frankly answer that if I were the person you were sending out to ride fence or gather cattle in the wilds of Wyoming, there would be more questions due about your sanity than about any lack of equipment on my horse.

But that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate and enjoy the horsemanship that goes with that lifestyle, even if I limit what I am willing to do with it. Cowman or not, it’s good for my horses. And THAT, Buck will always see.

Yes, Buck does say you can grab your rope as a right-handed night latch if your horse gets lost. And the rope chained along the back cinch can be made into hobbles. (and, yes, it is Susan Hopkins, and she is a really spectacular rider).

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Doesn’t that strike you as being like the inside of your mom’s purse or her minivan? Good lord, there are extra ropes (of 2 varieties) a get-down rope. It’s like her stash of napkins and neosporin and hand sanitizer and gum and the rest.[/QUOTE]

Yup, and for the same reasons …

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Yes, I’m pretty sure Buck sees through all the nonsense. And I also did hear him compliment some English riders whom he admires. Let’s face it, the number of people whom Buck admires or finds impressive has got to be pretty small, in any discipline. I can see why he’d call the English disciplines snooty, what with showing in white breeches and stock ties (or ratcatchers) and wool (ok, now high-tech fabrics, but still) coats. Come on - those outfits aren’t designed for people who get down and dirty! Not at the barn, at least! :winkgrin: And this is coming from someone who grew up riding English, so I am poking fun at my own self!

I hear this in AQHA…“I am going to Move Him Up to a double twisted wire/corkscrew/triangle mouth…” Move up???

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Yes, I’m pretty sure Buck sees through all the nonsense. And I also did hear him compliment some English riders whom he admires. Let’s face it, the number of people whom Buck admires or finds impressive has got to be pretty small, in any discipline. I can see why he’d call the English disciplines snooty, what with showing in white breeches and stock ties (or ratcatchers) and wool (ok, now high-tech fabrics, but still) coats. Come on - those outfits aren’t designed for people who get down and dirty! Not at the barn, at least! :winkgrin: And this is coming from someone who grew up riding English, so I am poking fun at my own self![/QUOTE]

Now that is a strange comment, how clean or dirty you are/get to be some kind of measure of horsemanship?:confused:

Bluey, it isn’t how dirty you get, it’s how much you pretend that you are too good to get dirty. And it’s a measure of your snoot, not your horsemanship. :wink: